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[mehulkamdar]

Sure thing why would i want a moderator on my back.LOL.K fellow ballistic heads there isnt a subsection for Machine guns so if ul wud join me at the forum subsection rifles,Well continue this there.Cheers.

Andre,

There are a lot of amateur posturers on the net with fanciful theories about machine guns and artillery - there is an Indian forum, as well, whose discussions read like the pages of war comic books. This forum exists to promote the shooting sports and to fight for gun ownership laws in India, not to indulge in some armchair commando gossip.

The chances of anyone outside the army shooting a machine gun among the members of this forum are zero. The possibilities of anyone evaluating any machine gun in combat even less with the exception of the fore mentioned service members who are members here. If you want to read about machine guns, buy a subscription to Jane's Defence Review and read it every week. You would get on the spot assessments from various conflict spots around the world from professional military officers and analysts. They are certain to shatter some of the gossip that you have heard and feel enthusiastic about. Or, take a flight to Vandalia for their annual machine gun shoot fest in the US and shoot older machine guns once a year, or try out the full auto shoots in Rockford, Las Vegas etc. It would be all right for some temporary entertainment, but other than that it would make little sense on a forum where we intend to have serious discussions and occasional fun discussing a sport that we dearly love.

We cannot afford to waste bandwidth on an issue that has no significance to any private shooter or gun owner in India, or to 99.99% of people living in the world, including Indians like myself and other who live either in India or outside the country. We have far more pressing issues to work on than indulge in schoolboy gossip. This is not to discourage anyone, but the fact is that there are many shooting sports that are actually dying due to either legal reasons or due to the fact that many people are not aware that they exist. These sports require personal skill and concentration and encourage friendly competitiveness like any other sport, except they are enjoyed with guns. Otherwise it would be a sheer waste of time.

[M.G. 42]

Mehul,
In my view one of the main aims of this forum should be to get more people in India interested in guns so in the end more people will buy more guns and will increase the size and influence of the gun lobby such that the government will not be able to ignore us any longer.One of the many ways to do this is by talking about them,introducing them to the whole range of air weapons,airsoft weapons etc in the hope that we are kindling interest in our sport.

Its true that we in India cannot imagine about shooting an MG 42 but why shouldnt we dream about it??After all reality often follows dreams.
My dad was once an avid gun user who owned upto three shotguns in his heyday.Then after being involved in an auto accident (which was not his fault) he was harrased by the courts n had to sell his shotguns and allowed his license to expire.We hear stories like this all the time but its gotta change someday n we are the people who will force it to happen.

The first time I ever saw a gun was sitting in the office of a kindly old gent called Birdy allen.It was a double barrelled shotgun and as I ran my trembling fingers over the beautifully blued barrel and engraved furniture I was hooked.Lets make that happen to more people i.e. lets talk.

P.S.Theres a place in China where tourists can get their hands on all manner of soviet weaponry including R.P.Gs n Aks for 100 $US.way cool.Cant wait to start workin.BTW i jus got a job offer from a software company.No prizes for guessin what ill be spending my first paycheck on

[mehulkamdar]

P.S.Theres a place in China where tourists can get their hands on all manner of soviet weaponry including R.P.Gs n Aks for 100 $US.way cool.Cant wait to start workin.BTW i jus got a job offer from a software company.No prizes for guessin what ill be spending my first paycheck on

In China even Olympic shooters cannot keep their single shot guns at home. The only place in the far east where shooters were allowed to shoot full autos was at the Marksmen's Club in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. I have been there and it has been closed for many years now - at least ten years, I think.

Dreams are fine as long as people don't look like nut jobs talking about something that they know nothing about. On a forum, silly talk makes the entire forum look silly - the other Indian forum thaat I talked about has enough armchair posturers who have most probably never seen or shot anything outside their NCC camps. And yet they discuss guns and military equipment in a manner which makes anyone who knows anything about this subject laugh or move away disgusted. It is a good thing that that forum has a disclaimer riight on top of every page saying that it has nothing to do with the army.

Quite frankly, I do not think that IFG needs to turn into a similar laughing stock with unneccessary BS. Again, we are interested in guns and shooting - not in bull shooting.

Mehul

[penpusher]

Mehul,

I had read about what MG42 is mentioning about being allowed to fire weapons including full auto one's in China.This was however only for tourists,an attempt by the Chinese army to attract some tourist dollars.But it was a long time ago.I don't know if its still possible.Fired the FN MAG.The Army chaps call them MMG's. Thankfully, no combat experience Infact the BSF also had at one time some water cooled MG's from the Ist WW. Wonder if they still have them.Still, any discussion about machine guns is going to be only a theoretical one for people in India.

Lets talk about .177 rifles "weighing as much as an elephant gun". Some body called them weapons How about a beld fed .177 automatic air machinegun or gunmachine, as the IOF chaps like to put it(for some reason,thats how the IOF MG's come stamped as)

Take care,
penpusher

[mehulkamdar]

penpusher,

Full auto BB guns are fully legal in the US and can spit out 177 cal ball bearings at rates that no military machine gun could. I am rushing out - have a lunch appointment in 30 minutes but shall post links to some manufacturers shortly.

No idea if they would be legal in India, but theya re available here and the air cylinder has to be filled with a tyre compressor of the kind you see at petrol pumps.

The US army is replacing the M60s with the MAGs after combat experience in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. They have also begun issuing a new round thr 6.8 SPC to Special Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan because the 5.56 mm round has proven to be completely inadequate as experts had been predicting for a long time. Sporting rifles for the 6.8 are already being chambered by custom riflesmiths like Serengeti Arms and it should be available from mainstream manufacturers soon.

Cheers,

Mehul

[penpusher]

MG 42,

Read what this fellow has to say

http://www.remtek.com/arms/fn/mag/index.htm

Take care,
penpusher

PS-Funny how he mentions water cooled machine guns.Great way to get hot water.Tea anyone.

[M.G. 42]

Mehul,
You are being overly pessimistic in your outlook. And i resent the term armchair commando,as far as i see there is no harm done when a few like minded people speculate a bit about weapons they admire.we cant do it anywhere else cos our numbers are few so what better plave than here.As far as I am concerned we were just sharing a few facts about weapon systems we admire.Sorta like a Bugatti Veyron-You know your never going to own one but that doesent stop you from drooling over it n tellin ur buddies about it.

penpusher the Fal MG has proved itself time and again from Rhodesia to Afghanistan and kashmir but its not like the MG3 is without its users

Austria
Chile
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
Germany
Greece (license production)
Italy (license production)
Iran (license production)
Lithuania
Norway
Portugal
Pakistan (license production)
Saudi Arabia
Sweden
Switzerland
Yugoslavia
Spain
Poland
Turkey (license production).

Plus were forgettin the main point here.Its GERMAN.Think worlds first MBT,First Cruise missile,Operational jet fighter,Blitzkreig strategy,Assault rifle (literal translation of Sturmgewehr),First wire guided missile,anti aircraft missile etc etc n u see where im going with this.

About the term weapon- I learn something new everyday.The Poms would really love the one about the tea.Great way to unwind after dispatching tha last pathan back to their mountains.
Cheers n take care.

[M.G. 42]

Mehul Iv just visited the Indian forum you spoke of and agree with you totally.The whole site consisted of utter morons .I think if your fears are that this site will end up like that one you can rest easy.

Take care.

You guys should really check this bunch of clowns out.I dont know whether its right to link it so just google the approriate words.

[Sakobav]

MG42
This forum is primarily meant for discussing non military rifles and sports oriented aspect of guns not WEAPONS unless there is something more specific. But I cannot condone remark such as sent ?the pathans away to mountains? remember India is a diverse country and there are many Pathans who have brought laurels to this country and such a comment can be taken out of context and its unnecessary? Point is anything posted can be misinterpreted in any way and this is how forums get hijacked and get out of hand. I reiterate we all will encourage and guide each other on guns and shooting as a sport, especially youngsters like you. Just be careful on what we post here, regretfully I cannot state that more eloquently
Moderators please lock this thread

[M.G. 42]

Gotcha about The Non-Military part.No more posts on that subect.I meant no disrespect to pashtuns.My post was purely historical in regard to a line from a previous post.Again nothing political in my statement.Apologies if anyones sentiments were disturbed.

[Sakobav]

MG42

Appreciate it..as they say “Those who learn from others' experience are usually a step ahead of the rest”

rgds
NG

[TwoRivers]

Hi, M.G.,

new (fairly) to the IFG forum, and just going through the members listing, when I caught your post. It would take five MG 42 to deliver 6000 RPM. When it was redesigned for the 7.62 Nato round after WWII, it was actually modified to do about 900 RPM, with a different bolt for 1200 RPM available. Don't know which version the PAK army uses. Cheers!