What air-rifles and air-pistols do you have or have had?

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Post by Sujay » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:41 pm

Mack The Knife Bana wrote:Probably extravagant by Indian standards but it's merely a drop in the ocean of world-wide collectors.
And this after you said you sold all other Air Rifles in London :shock:

No wonder Sat used the term ' arsenal' :lol:

Anyway my long standing curiosity has been satisfied as I always restrained myself asking ' what air rifles do you have'.

Care to tell how and when you built up the armoury, particularly how did you acquire the theoben rapid ? Dying to know. Please also add few lines for what exactly are 'rapids' ? Multishots or something elaborate ?


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Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Ranjeet,

I don't suppose the extra cost of the 75 had anything to do with the shop keeper's decision? :wink:

E-mail FWB with the serial number and they will date it for you. They will also send you an owners manual if you need one. This will most probably be a photocopy as they may well have run out of the original manuals.

A soft spot for the Diana 52!!! When you come here I will line up a Diana 52, HW77K, HW97K, HW80K & a HW90. Shoot them and then decide for yourself.

Quite a few of the rifles and both the Tempests were bought in Blighty.

I look forward to trying that 75. Thanks.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:48 pm

Sujay,

As per the thread title this is merely a list of all the airguns I have owned at one time or the other.

At present, I only have the Venom Maglaza HW80K, Venom HW77K Vantage, Venom (DIY kit) HW97K, Tommy Mod.27 and one of the Webley Tempests. Hardly an arsenal, is it?

Baz sold me the Rapid Mk.2

I am shocked that someone who has been on the Airgun BBS for so long hasn't come across a Theoben Rapid. www.theoben.co.uk

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Post by Ranjeet Singh » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:26 am

Mack The Knife,

It wasn't the price, for the 75, the recoiless part did the bit.

Seriously speaking, I have read many reviews about Diana 52 and HW 97.

First thing, I guess they are comparable atleast in the price range, 52 a bit more expensive in power, though Diana advertises more, as I read with lighter pellets.. are comparable...

What really makes HWs Better, gets me wondering...

I agree on the trigger part of HWs, but Diana aint' bad either. And maybe 52 being side lever is a little , lets say awkward to shoot intially because it feels strange with the balance.

But after a couple of shots, you get used to it.

There must be more that I am missing...I have shot both here (only 5 shots each both scoped) and frankly speaking...apart from the things mentioned I did not find much difference.

So I am still confused:) Mack The Knife throw some light..Please

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Post by Mack The Knife » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:36 am

Ranjeet Singh wrote:So I am still confused:) Mack The Knife throw some light..Please
Probably wasting my time because you seemed to have convinced yourself that the 52 is the way to go. The only way to get that bug out of your system is for you to buy one and then shoot the Weihrauchs. Ask Inder. :mrgreen:

You have already touched upon the two things that make me dislike the 52 - the side cocking lever and the trigger.

I prefer to hold onto the lever when loading a pellet into the breech and this is awkward to say the least with the 52. Anti-beartrap devices, like safeties, are all well and good but I do not trust them. Afterall, it's a mechanical device and could fail at any given moment.

Trigger release, to me, is the most important consideration when buying a gun. Shoot similar rifles with a badly adjusted trigger and one that has been carefully set up and you will see the light.

If power (muzzle energy) is your thing, then have a look at the HW80K. Power should be a secondary concern. Without accuracy (triggers have a bearing on this) it means nothing.

I find the 77k, 97k and 80k (in that order) to be ergonomically better than the 52. However, this is a subjective matter.

Weihrauchs open sights are definitely superior to anything that Diana can offer. Needless to say, this too has a bearing on accuracy.

Fit and finish is almost similar, with the Weihrauchs having a very slight edge. However, I consider the Weihrauchs to be better engineered.

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Post by Ranjeet Singh » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:39 pm

Thanks Mack The Knife ,

Yeah, you are right that I have convinced myself about the Diana 52. None the less I hope you agree it is not a bad choice in absolute terms.


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Post by Mack The Knife » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:19 pm

Ranjeet Singh wrote:None the less I hope you agree it is not a bad choice in absolute terms.
They both cost the same, so if you knowingly decide on the lesser rifle, all that remains is for me to tut-tut and shake my head in wonder. :roll:

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Post by Ranjeet Singh » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:16 pm

Actually 52 is about 128 Euros more expensive:)

Maybe its because of the difficult name Weihrauch ain't as popular as Diana..

More money for my beer budget...World cup is on!! Ole Ole Ole...

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Post by Sujay » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:01 pm

Mack The Knife Bana wrote:Sujay,

I am shocked that someone who has been on the Airgun BBS for so long hasn't come across a Theoben Rapid. www.theoben.co.uk

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I know about theoben ARs. Also this site has a book by Terry Doe on sale which I intend to buy if stocks of HW77Ks do not develop hairline fractures

Only the word 'rapid' intrigues me. Forgive my ignorance and I shall rephrase my question:-

What does the word 'rapid' means in context of airguns ? Is the use
of this word limited to Theoben ARs only ? Will any airgun with large
no of shots capacity between fills ( also magazine system) be eligible to be called a rapid or is it limited to gas ram multi shots only ?

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Post by Mack The Knife » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:50 pm

Ranjeet Singh wrote:Actually 52 is about 128 Euros more expensive:)
That would make it a worse choice! :mrgreen:

I am well aware they cost more than the Weihrauchs in Europe. However, as per our past e-mails you had decided to buy the air-rifle in Bangalore due to not being able to save much after customs duty and all the attendant hassle. Hence, the comment about them costing the same.

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Post by Mack The Knife » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:57 pm

Sujay,

If you want the book for your collection go ahead and buy it. Failing which I will send you my copy and more. It's currently with Asif's brother. There is one condition though - you may not photocopy it. Nothing to do with the legal aspects, it's just that I don't like the binding on my books being damaged.

Rapid (followed by 7 or 12) is the name given by Theoben to one of its rifles. The Rapid is a precharged multi-shot pneumatic air-rifle. 7 or 12 denotes the magazine capacity. It is not a generic term.

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Post by Sujay » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:25 pm

Ranjeet Singh wrote:
Maybe its because of the difficult name Weihrauch ain't as popular as Diana..

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1) You are not being serious of course. Are you ?

2) I have yet to come across any forum where Diana is even half as
popular as HWs. Popularity by performance ; I mean.

3) Also yet to come across any forum which has got anything against
any models of HWs. The maximum I have read is one guy complaining
about the weight of HW77 :!:

4) Before the advent of PCPs , the HWs ruled the BFT Comp's.

I can go on and on but they say love is blind :?

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Post by Mack The Knife » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:37 pm

Sujay wrote:You are not being serious of course. Are you ?
He may well have a point. Have you seen how people spell this manufacturer's name? Hilarious stuff!

The reason Dianas are more popular in India is simply because they have been available here for decades. Ditto for BSA and Webley & Scott.

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Post by Ranjeet Singh » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:01 am

Hi Sujay,

Well, I haven't been on any other forum apart from I4G, so my knowledge is mainly from interaction with people here in gunshops.

According to a Gentlemen here, who has about 18 Airguns and about 30 years of hunting experience mostly small animals in Romania and Croatia, if you ask him he would say Diana and Weihrauch are comparable - Both almost of similar quality..Have one of each:)

And if you ask him, I want to buy one airgun which one should I buy.
He says buy a HW 35 export model, used one, change the spring and the pistons and you have a gun for your life.He owns one for 40 years almost.

Well, he comes from point of view where one uses a airgun for fun and for anything serious or more energy would buy a .22 rimfire rifle.

But I am aware that there are many people out there who are into some serious airgunning. And maybe you and Mack The Knife are also into it big time.

As Mack The Knife mentioned rightly, I have interacted with him in past over emails..And anyway I am going to buy it back in Bangalore..still quite some time to go.. I guess I will happy with either:)

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Post by mehulkamdar » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:13 am

Ranjeet,

Do Romania and Croatia allow the use of air rifles for hunting? I lived in RUssia a long time ago and have travelled in Central and Eastern Europe quite a bit. Air rifles were illegal to hunt with almost everywhere between 91 and 94 when I travelled there.

I have visited Germany quite a few times and still come to Frankfurt though my best friends are in the east - Brandenburg being a home away from home to me.

Cheers,

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