Arms License Application rejected

[Bhargav]

Funnily, he answers his own question.. "kaun se sport ke liye chahiye" with .. "Yeh wala hee le lo ab ho gaya hai toh".

Sorry about your situation SS and I wish you all the best but this is hilarious . You could have asked him, "Hotel mein jake pav bhaji order karega aur waiter chai biscuit lake deta to chalega?" haha.

Meeting the bigger babu was a bigger joke. "Hum ne toh pehle hee reject kiya tha.. aap ko hee appeal karni thi".

Huh? freakin bulls**t how is this statement even related to the situation? In my opinion I agree with the other post, you could have just taken the rifle license and then apply for the shotgun.

[AgentDoubleS]

AB, I'm very tempted to and that option is still open. These guys want to get rid of me so they wouldn't mind closing the case by giving me the rifle license. But my shooting dreams could come shattering down for many months. I was too frustrated yesterday to take a call but more settled now so will think this through. In all likelihood will pursue this more and go for the shotgun.

Bhargav, it's hilarious and I gave a crass analogy to the guy that I'd rather not mention in a public forum. Quite honestly I consider myself more fortunate compared to some other souls around. I met a guy who had an interesting (rather, sad) story. He had applied for a self defence license since he was a witness in murder case along with his younger brother. There was another witness in the same case whose younger brother has got murdered. This guy is worried that the second murder is due to the elder brother being a witness and he is now worried for his own and his younger brother's safety. He had all the relevant FIRs and legal material attached to his application. I couldn't believe his application got rejected inspite of him personally explaining everything to the babu. In his words his conversation got so 'heated' he was asked to leave the room. He was wise enough to appeal and got a 1 year license.

What I did realise is how irrelevant (rather useless/powerless) the licensing department is in this entire process. Their role is nothing more than that of a postman transferring files from one department to another with no decision making of their own. The first time I walked into the licensing unit I was intimidated, scared and extremely cautious lest I end up upsetting someone. I give a hoot now because I know that behind all the arrogance these guys show there is nothing but powerlessness and incompetence.

All, Suggestions on whether I should take the rifle license and take a shotgun later or go for a correction in the order?

[varunik]

whats's the min time period to get an additional weapon?

if its 6 months, then you can have both..

[AgentDoubleS]

Went for the Rifle license to begin with..might go for big bore, hopefully a decent IOF.

[renjith747]

@ SS its a good idea if you go for a rifle now and after that apply for shotgun for sports.You knows that The Arms Act, 1959 Section 13(3)(a)(i) says The licensing authority should grant a licence under section 3 to a citizen of India in respect of a smooth bore gun having a barrel of not less than twenty inches in length to be used for protection or sport. I hope it will be easy for you to procure license for a shotgun on the basis of arms act.

I also going to apply for a shotgun license for sports within few days & finished all paper works for applying the same.

[Safarigent]

SS,
Go for a .22 lr rifle, a single shot one, which if you spend some money on it, can see you taking parts in competitions with it. You will need peep sights at the very minimum and a sling swivel to attach your sling to.
Big bore ammo aint cheap my friend, while .22 ammo is. .22 ammo is available for dsra members at the ranges, where they shoot and return the empties. This is notwithstanding whatever your ammo quota is. You would have got 25/50 on your ammo quota. Where will you source the extra ammo for big bore from? Dsra doesnt provide you any ammo for big bore. The range is in haryana, whereas your license is going to be for delhi only. How will you get to the big bore range?
Apply again for extension of area validity and run around?
Dont go for one which comes with a magazine, go for a single shot one, as you will be permitted to only use a single shot rifle n competitions as far as i know. .22 rifles are usually very accurate and you can easily aim to qualify in the mavalankars and take a shot at the nationals.
So forget about getting scopes and bipods for a .30-06, as that will get your gun disqualified from any big bore competition.
Yur license is valid for a year. When you go back in one years time, what proof of your seriousness will you show them?
A big bore gun which you could not use in any competition and no participation because you could not practise?
Get a .22 rifle, start shooting at the karni singh ranges. Participate and shoot in the mavalankars and further.
After that you are well set on your way towards big bore shooting, pistols, rifles, whatever.
The more certificates you attach when you ask for a new license, the easier it is to get additions to your license.
Plus it is a great class of fire arms to learn weapon safety and maintenance on, imho. Others may disagree.
All the best.
I wrote this keeping your best interests at heart.
If i offended you, i apologize.
Regards
A

[AgentDoubleS]

AB,

You are rationally correct.
I’ve done .22 50 mt prone and 3 position for about 5 years. I participated in 3 GVMs in Ahemdabad and Phillaur. And now that I am beginning to sound boastful I should clarify that none of them were star performances- more a skill issue than the tools. The boarding school I studied at had abt 15 Brno rifles, an outdoor 50m range and a decent supply of ammunition, unfortunately almost no coaching- no you tube during those days either!

Now, the previous experience is the issue. While .22 50 meter events are the most convenient (and affordable) for me I'm wondering if I want to go back to something I was doing 8-10 years ago. Not that it is not exciting. There is nothing like looking at through the sites of a rifle and getting a perfect 10. But a big bore sounds like a ‘progression’.

Big bore raises a lot of questions that you have rightly mentioned. I've been thinking about them for the past few days and to be honest don't have all the clear answers. (off topic- had a fall this Friday at APRC. Sore butt and back. All the resting on the weekend has given a lot of time to think!)

I was surprised recently to find out open sight events have been done away with!? The NRAI site suggests otherwise. If the info is correct the additional question around peep sights on a 30.06 crops up.. again only a question and no answers! Bipods and scopes are not under consideration right now.
Does KSR have .22 rifles for rent like they have the shotguns? If they do, I might use them for the year and buy a 30.06. Technically, I have NPB rifle license so they shouldn’t object.
More questions those are irrelevant to this thread. I’ll send you a PM.

SS
P.S- Offended- come on, I don’t know what to say!!

[Safarigent]

SS,
a few more words from my side now that you have given me carte blanche.
The state competitions are maybe 3 months away, the mavalankars will be held somewhere around the end of the year. The nationals right after that. You need to take part in these competitions so that when your license comes up for renewal next year, you have a few certificates and score cards to show. With one years validity, this is the one shot you have at competing, at the moment.
You are well versed with the aspects of .22 rifle shooting. So why dnt you stick to it until atleast the nationals are over. Once you have taken part till that level and have enough stuff to cram into your file, you can move on to other disciplines.
On the basis of your participation in competitions and nrai/dsra membership, you will get your shotgun addition in a breze and you can then move on from there.

[AgentDoubleS]

AB, how long does it take to get a membership of DSRA? If I apply within a week or 2 by when would it get approved? The reason I ask is if I don't get the membership- I don't get the ammo and I don't get to practice. I read on the forum that a member's application has been pending with NRAI for 3 months. I'll go for annual, makes more financial sense.

Ditto for membership of DKSR? If I apply within a couple of weeks by when can I actually use the range.

Lastly, the question around the .22lr- Budget limitations,I don't think I can afford a brno and an IOF may take a few months to procure if I get from the factory. Does KSR rent our .22lr?

[Safarigent]

I dont know when they will be approving new memberships but i can vouch for the gents holding office.
My application took 4 odd months to process. Put it in and let it happen in due time.
Nrai also, put in the membership application and sit happy.
When they approve it, they will call you.
And it certainly wont be more than a year!
There is no membership at the ksr.
Its dda pay and play scheme.
Fill up the form, attach the documents and hand them in. Thats it.
It was keeping in mind financial constraints that i mentioned you go in for a single shot .22 rifle. A decent one might be yours for 20 odd thousand rupees. This from a senior member here.
The range will rent out rifles and they are damn accurate too, only problem is that you gotta be prepared if the competitions are nt held n delhi. so you gotta start going to the ranges, meet people, become friends with like minded people and they might even be able to help you out with that.
Replying to a different query of yours, kadarpur ranges are not open to the general public. Not as yet atleast.
Once you buy a big bore rifle, where will you sight it my friend? What about area validity? The ammo is also costlier for the big bore.
Hope this helps.
Post for more queries, it will help others too

[AgentDoubleS]

The more I research big bore, the more nonviable it seems. The fascination still doesn't go away. If Kadarpur isnt open to general public then there's no way I will get to practice. Unless I practice mostly .22 and participate big bore which surely wouldn't get good results. I had thought of applying for an area extension to a neighboring state but without the range being available there's little use for it.

I'm going to get the DSR form today. Going to the faridabad gun house to check out a few rifle options. They were recommended by someone in Indore as well as a few people on this forum. Under the current circumstances the following seems to be my plan of action:

1. Get membership to DSR - its time to reciprocate to my carte blanche with your signature now, isnt it!?

2. Get into KSR, hire rifle and shoot - issue remains of ammunition that I can't get unless I have a DSR membership. Any suggestions? I only have a 25/50 limit that I'll probably shoot off in one day!

3. Look for the best available rifle in the budget

4. Apply for an NRAI membership and get the 'tick in the list' for the renewal.

5.Start participating in competitions- not sure of the schedule yet. Researching more.

Suggestions?

[Safarigent]

Apply for dsra and nrai membership.
Start looking for a rifle, you will want something you can use in a competition.
Start researching what you need in a target rifle.
Have you got a jacket and gloves? What about a sling?
What about the rifle you will he picking? It might not have peep sights. It might not have a swivel stud.so there might be modifications that you will have to make.
Till such time you get ammunition and get and if required modify a rifle, you should practise dry firing and start getting used to the right sight picture etc etc.
Rent out the gun, Put snap caps in and you are good to go.
Firing real cartridges is the least of your worries right now.
Competitions will be announced on the nrai website, they have a tentative schedule up there also.

[AgentDoubleS]

Can you PM me Rajiv Sharma's number? The number I have was switched off- I went to his place today and didnt find him. Will try again this week after talking to him.The NRAI form is filled up, will get both recommended together.

Will look out for a rifle in some time. All the prices I have read are on this forum with no research in the market. A natural inclination is towards a Brno/Anschutz for my previous comfort with them but budget's naturally a constraint. I am quite sure it will not have peep sights. Have been researching a little but haven't found sufficient information on to get it converted. Will try and gather more information at the range. I've done all my events in open sight with only some recreational shooting at sirifort with a peep sight air rifle.

Nope- no jacket and sling though no overly worried about these. Buy Beg borrow steal- usually not a challenge.

Will be on the look out for the events website.I am sure regular visits to the range will keep me updated.. Intend to visit KSR this saturday.

[renjith747]

Today i applied form arms license for sports (12 bore shotgun).At that time i made an enquiry to the section clerk what is the present situation for the approval of my license.He told me that if it was for self protection the authorities will give approval for that( if there is threat for life).It is very difficult to get for other catagories .They will send my file to the departments like Forest , Taluk and Police for verification.I asked him if i get a clean certificate from police shall am eligible for the license??.He told me that i should get approval from all the above department.Is this is true ie approval from all the department is necessary according to arms act??.Please comment on this.

Regards
Renjith

[Safarigent]

Renjith,
Read this thread from the starting. That will answer a few of your queries.