identification of shotgun

[imran]

hi i just bought a gun , want to identify the company .
it is 12 bore side by side , side plate ( its just for the carving the mechanicm is boxlock ) with ejector .
2 3/4 chamber 30 inch barrel 18.3 chokes in both barrels
the barrel says lyon and lyon for calcutta , but thats was just the dealers , the barrel is made in germany (flusstahl krupp essen)
but all the other signs are from belgiam .
i have attached few close pics of all the proofs and marks , please help me identify my gun .
regards
imran

[ramtiger]

Congrats for your shotgun

Regards,
Ram

[Hammerhead]

I may be wrong but barrels are British , see the crowns and 12-70 means 3/4 shots.

Could you please post the pictures was the entire gun?

Be a great idea, if it has damascus barrels, could they be good for regular loads to shoot ?

Lets see if any one else has seen some thing like it before - Haji

[imran]

THANK U @RAMTIGER
hammerhead @I am almost sure its belgian , most of the proof marking suggest that .
lets see what others have to say .

[Vikram]

Belgian proof-marks.

http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

Lyon and Lyon were retailers like Army & Navy.AFAIK, they did not make any guns on their own.It could be a guild gun from Belgium.Not unusual.The barrels were not made in Germany.But the steel was.Krupp was a noted steel maker,based in the town of Essen.

Best-
Vikram

[Vikram]

Imran,BTW, Could you please post the pictures of the entire gun? Would love to see it. Congratulations on a nice gun.

Best-
Vikram

[imran]

some more pics ....

[imran]

vikram @ thanks from the proof marks . i have proof mark no 1, 6,13,19,33 from the list and from date codes it suggest 1928 .

[snIPer]

as Vikram said - it is Belgium proofed.
Lovely gun mate. - Enjoy
/S/

[TwoRivers]

I may be wrong but barrels are British , see the crowns and 12-70 means 3/4 shots.

Could you please post the pictures was the entire gun?

Be a great idea, if it has damascus barrels, could they be good for regular loads to shoot ?

Lets see if any one else has seen some thing like it before - Haji

Vikram is totally righ. Belgian made, barrels of German steel. "FlusstahL" ie." fluid steel" rules out any possibility of it being damascus. "12/70" indicates 12 ga./70mm (2 3/4") chamber; another indication it is not British. Yes, it is perfectly fine to shoot with modern loads, though not with steel shot.

[imran]

thanks for all the help guys .. is there any way i can find out the name of the manufacturer ???

[Grumpy]

It`s very difficult - often impossible - to attribute unsigned Belgian guns to a particular maker. I could suggest one or two names ...... actually four names and would be pretty sure the gun was made by one of them. I might be able to do better than that if I could handle the gun.
Is there anything written on the rib ?
It`s a quality gun however even though the engraving isn`t brilliant.
Do you know a good gunsmith who could remove the sideplates without causing damage ? Because that looks like a pinless sidelock to me.
If you manage to get the sideplates/lockplates removed check the back of the plate to see if there`s a lockmakers signature.

[rraju2805]

Congrats for own this gun.