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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Mack The Knife » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:03 pm

mundaire wrote:since I've begun to spend a lot of time in the kitchen now...
So I have heard but had no idea you were promoted from dishwasher to vegetable chopper. :mrgreen:
So how good is 'this' or an electric sharpner?
Not sure what the 'this' is refering to. For you I would recommend a guided sharpening system which allows you to change the bevel angle as required and use 'stones' of varying grits. This - http://www.kmesharp.com/kmeknshsy.html is the best value for money guided sharpner that I know off and Ron's customer service is quite simply exemplary.

As far as I know, electric sharpners of the kitchen variety are restricted to one bevel angle. If you want to go electric look for a small belt sander with belts of varying grits and and a couple of leather belts to be used with stropping compound. With practice (on cheap knives) you will be able to get and maintain a superb edge. Just don't overheat the blade. However, you must learn how to hone a blade freehand.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by mundaire » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:50 pm

Mack The Knife wrote:So I have heard but had no idea you were promoted from dishwasher to vegetable chopper. :mrgreen:
Not sure if it's a promotion, but dishwashing & chopping are definitely part of the job description :P

BTW your VFM sharpener costs a lot more than any of my blades, do you have any suggestions for gents like us who aren't in the market for champagne blades/ sharpeners? Just useful tools (blades/ sharpeners) which work and don't cost the moon? No, not taking the Mick, it's a serious question! :)
winnie_the_pooh wrote:For the DIY crowd,
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... pening-Jig
Interesting link WTP, though that jig looks out of the realm of possibilities for most DIY'ers, most certainly above & beyond what I could ever hope to fabricate. BTW does anyone know of a company that makes diamond grit stones in India? I am sure someone must be, there are so many industrial applications for them! Like everyone else the only stones I've seen of sale in India are the usual (rough/ smooth) tool sharpening ones sold at most hardware stores.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:53 pm

Abhijeet,

I have never seen any diamond sharpening stones.However I did buy a smaller stone.It is about 4"x1/2"x1/2".Cost the same as the larger one.I am sure other sizes are available.Look around in a metal store.A simple search for 'diamond honing stones' on indiamart threw up a number of manufacturers.Try asking for unmounted diamond honing sticks.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:51 am

mundaire wrote:BTW your VFM sharpener costs a lot more than any of my blades, do you have any suggestions for gents like us who aren't in the market for champagne blades/ sharpeners? Just useful tools (blades/ sharpeners) which work and don't cost the moon? No, not taking the Mick, it's a serious question! :)
If you stop pickleing yourself in Champagne and other spirits, you will be able to save up for a KME in a week. :P

As much as I would like to, I don't own expensive knives but what I have I like to maintain as best as I can. Next time you want to buy a knife or two, buy a good knife sharpner instead. Assuming you aren't happy with the Gatco.

A very cheap way of keeping your outdoor knives sharp is to convex the existing bevel edge using a soft mouse pad and different grits of sandpaper (60 to 2000 grit in my case) and stropping. Just a few strops will maintain the sharpness. You can make a strop paddle and only need to buy the stropping compund. The latter does not cost much and will last you for years or even a lifetime.

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The ESEE-6 has a bevel edge whilst the other two sport a convex edge.

Keep a few things in mind regarding diamond hones:
1) They will cut an edge faster but they will also wear off faster.
2) They are more expensive than your average oil or water stone.
3) Use lighter pressure than you would when using an oil or water stone. Not that you should press down on the edge when using any type of stone.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by mundaire » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:03 am

The Gatco system is fine, just find the clamp to be a bit fiddly. Thanks for the advice, now I need to go find out how exactly ones goes about 'convexing' the edge. :oops:

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by maverick786us » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:11 pm

Mack The Knife wrote:From the Bark River Knife Collector’s Association - http://www.barkriverknives.com/docs/convex.pdf

Videos - http://www.knivesshipfree.com/pages.php?pID=4&CDpath=0
One more important thing. BUCKS/TOPS CSAR-T is an expensive knife. I purchased it for 7808 bucks, and I am a beginner. So if I try myself I might end up damaging the knife. So for the first time I might go to professional to sharpen it. Now these local people who carry the sharpening machine in their bicycle, how much reliable they are for sharpening such an expensive knife? If they are not reliable, what kind of professional in delhi should I look for?

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:23 pm

Avoid giving it to a chaku dharwalla.

If you are going to be using the knife, then I suggest you invest in a good knife sharpner and practice on cheap knives first because you will need to maintain the edge.

Till such time as you become proficient you can ask a good machinist to sharpen it on his belt sander. Look up You Tube videos on sharpening knives on a belt sander and preferably show it to the machinist so that he gets an idea of what you are after. This for example-



You may need to buy belts of varying grits for the machinist to use.

P.S.: The belt sander will probably end up convexing the edge. Your call.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Moin. » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:47 am

Mack The Knife wrote:Avoid giving it to a chaku dharwalla.

If you are going to be using the knife, then I suggest you invest in a good knife sharpner and practice on cheap knives first because you will need to maintain the edge.

Till such time as you become proficient you can ask a good machinist to sharpen it on his belt sander. Look up You Tube videos on sharpening knives on a belt sander and preferably show it to the machinist so that he gets an idea of what you are after. This - for example.

You may need to buy belts of varying grits for the machinist to use.

P.S.: The belt sander will probably end up convexing the edge. Your call.
Mack The Knife hi;

Some queries;

1) Any specific advantage in having a convex bevel on a blade compared to a flat or a "V"shaped bevel got by using sharpeners like Lansky or Gatco. With the quality of steels on most good quality production blades and the edge that you can get with a guided system like the Lansky or Gatco or your KME, will convexing an edge on something like a Essee's that you have shown or Spydies or BM's really make that big a difference.

2) How do you maintain the consistency of angle while stropping the blade on polish paper to convex your edge without scracthing the blade surface.

Here's a link I found on convexing edges.
http://bill-hay.com/Convex/Convex.htm

3) Any specific advantages of muli bevels on blades wrt. sharpness.While multiple bevels can be put using a Lansky or a Gatco guided system, resharpening the blade will be a pain would'nt it. How would one remeber the exact position the blade was clamped on ?

4) Any advice on a suitable alternative for Lansky's honing oil.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by maverick786us » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:41 pm

Mack The Knife wrote:Avoid giving it to a chaku dharwalla.

If you are going to be using the knife, then I suggest you invest in a good knife sharpner and practice on cheap knives first because you will need to maintain the edge.

Till such time as you become proficient you can ask a good machinist to sharpen it on his belt sander. Look up You Tube videos on sharpening knives on a belt sander and preferably show it to the machinist so that he gets an idea of what you are after. This - for example.

You may need to buy belts of varying grits for the machinist to use.

P.S.: The belt sander will probably end up convexing the edge. Your call.
Where can I find such good machinist professionals in Delhi?

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by SUFFIX » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:15 pm

should be somewhere in old delhi close to jama masjid. They usually sharpening the tailor scissor. They are much more professional in their job. They usually have motor fitted Huge grinding wheel works much better than the belt sander.

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Mack The Knife » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:52 pm

Hi Moin,
1) Any specific advantage in having a convex bevel on a blade compared to a flat or a "V"shaped bevel got by using sharpeners like Lansky or Gatco. With the quality of steels on most good quality production blades and the edge that you can get with a guided system like the Lansky or Gatco or your KME, will convexing an edge on something like a Essee's that you have shown or Spydies or BM's really make that big a difference.
Your question is already answered in the link you have posted.

I am a relative new comer to convex edges, so don't take what I say as gospel. For what it's worth, here's my take on the advantages of a convex edge:
a)It's a tougher edge because there is more metal behind the edge.
b)It takes just a few strokes to get it shaving sharp again (assuming you don't let it get blunt). A small leather strop could be carried in a shirt or trouser pocket (pics tomorrow) or you could even use a piece of non-corrugated cardboard.
c)Once the initial profiling is done, less metal is lost from the edge when re-sharpening.
d)Cutting wise I have found the ESEE-4 (convexed) to be on par with the ESEE-6 (bevelled) but that is probably due to me not providing a narrower shoulder on the 4. In theory, the convex edge should cut better because the material being cut is contacting the edge at a tangent rather than across the entire height of the edge. Ergo, less friction. Incidentally, both knives are stropped irrespective of the edge type they sport. The strppoing really makes a big difference to the final outcome and this is what I use to keep my knives sharp. Which brings me to my next point...
e)Convex edges are easier to strop than bevel edges. If you strop a bevel edge, eventually it to will get convexed.

Bear in mind that we are only discussing partially convexed edges and not full convex blades. The results should be even better in the case of the latter.

BTW, good quality steel is only half the story. If the heat treatment is not correct, even the best of super steels will make poor knives.

Ideally, I would like my knife blades to be diffentially heat treated and I hope to treat myself to one of Mr. Baker's Svord knives later this year. :mrgreen:
2) How do you maintain the consistency of angle while stropping the blade on polish paper to convex your edge without scracthing the blade surface.

Here's a link I found on convexing edges.
http://bill-hay.com/Convex/Convex.htm
Read the link you provided. :mrgreen: Jokes aside, I think the consistency is a result of muscle memory from hours of practice.
3) Any specific advantages of muli bevels on blades wrt. sharpness.While multiple bevels can be put using a Lansky or a Gatco guided system, resharpening the blade will be a pain would'nt it. How would one remeber the exact position the blade was clamped on ?
I was being sarcastic when I asked Abhijeet how many of his knives now sported multiple bevels. It is not desired, unless you want a V-grind but with a thicker shoulder, though I cannot imagine what type of work one would want such an edge for. You could either write down the bevel angles or you could colour the muti-bevel edge with a permanent marker and use the angle that removes the colour from the edge.
4) Any advice on a suitable alternative for Lansky's honing oil.
Ahhh...the million Dollar question! :mrgreen: Singer or 3-in-1 oil will work just fine.

Stay sharp! :wink:

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Re: Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by Mack The Knife » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:55 pm

maverick786us wrote:Where can I find such good machinist professionals in Delhi?
At a machine shop or if you have a friend that is a mechanical engineer, ask him to recommend someone suitable.

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Sharpening tool for my Folding Knife

Post by choombak » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:57 pm

Not sure if this has been said, since I am reading over a tiny device and scrolling is a pain - so, USIA leather belt acts as a great strop, the unpolished or inner side especially.

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