Breaking news - Airguns now need license!

[brihacharan]

Hi fellow IFGians,
> It's sheer tragedy that the powers that be have decided to impose 'License to bear Air Guns'.
> Now what perhaps remains to be done is to find out the procedure for procuring a license.
> What happens to those of us who possess more than one Air Rifle / Gun?
Tears
Briha

[eternalme]

Can someone ask the grass eating cows what in the term firearm means compressed gas ?
Some low paid clerk tried to define firearm with his highschool level physics and we have projectile and propultion theory all inclusive, whereas the fact is that all lethal weapons which can inflict serious injury necessarily need to be powered by explosion, hence the original term firearm and hence the explosive license.

I guess grass lacks some vital nutrients for the brain.

[fantumfan2003]

I think you have a point. If you can get this across properly to the gent fighting the case, it would be a great achivement. It may result in defining conclusively that an airgun is NOT a "firearm"

M.

Can someone ask the grass eating cows what in the term firearm means compressed gas ?
Some low paid clerk tried to define firearm with his highschool level physics and we have projectile and propultion theory all inclusive, whereas the fact is that all lethal weapons which can inflict serious injury necessarily need to be powered by explosion, hence the original term firearm and hence the explosive license.

I guess grass lacks some vital nutrients for the brain.

[goodboy_mentor]

Going by common sense and physics airgun does not appear to fall in the definition of fire-arms. But the courts have to interpret the meaning of firearm as defined by Arms Act 1959. As per Section 2(e) of Arms Act 1959:

"firearms" means arms of any description designed or adapted to discharge a projectile or projectiles of any kind by the action of any explosive or other forms of energy, and includes--

(i) artillery, hand-grenades, riot-pistols or weapons of any kind designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other such thing,....."

If we read and understand the above definition of firearms in Arms Act 1959 then airguns do fall in the description of firearms. Arms Act 1959 appears to have been written by highly clever people where anything can mean everything or nothing at will of the government.

Moreover even if one takes a legal stand that airguns are not firearms as per arms act then logically it follows that he is also taking a stand that since airguns are not firearms under arms act, therefore the question of the need of "exemption" of airguns from provisions of arms act does not arise. Is this what we are trying to reason?

[mbsolan]

hello everybody
Whats the latest on airgun licence.
what does MHA say on the issue of air gun licence?
When will it be clear that air guns need licence or not?
Is it finally out that air guns will now need a licence?
Air gun lovers are in a lot of confusion.
there is lot of speculation on internet.

[subodh22]

i guess the next thing they will issue license for A airsoft plastic BB guns right

[Subal das]

i guess the next thing they will issue license for A airsoft plastic BB guns right

you did not read it, airsoft plastic BB already there, it is firearms you can add some smoke yourself.

[Virendra S Rathore]

My arm can throw projectiles at dazzling speed ... shhhh don't tell the judge
Be prepared we're going back to stone age .. I'll cock my arm and keep it in the holster

[rraju2805]

Be prepared we're going back to stone age .. I'll cock my arm and keep it in the holster

IT IS SO SAD......

[essdee1972]

"firearms" means arms of any description designed or adapted to discharge a projectile or projectiles of any kind by the action of any explosive or other forms of energy, and includes--

(i) artillery, hand-grenades, riot-pistols or weapons of any kind designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other such thing,....."

By that definition, water pistols (the Holi types) can be filled with noxious liquid, so they are firearms. Weapons designed or adapted to discharge a projectile...... no lower limit of energy, velocity, etc. Hence toy guns (Nerf, et al), catapults, bows and arrows - even the toy ones, a rubber band, are all firearms???

Arms Act 1959 appears to have been written by highly clever people where anything can mean everything or nothing at will of the government.

Yes, these were the very gentlemen who learnt law from the British, and then beat the British at their own game! Unfortunately the respected Freedom Fighters had a very blinkered view of freedom - absence of British from India, nothing about individual freedom. That's what happens if you take Joe Stalin as a role model!

In related news, today's Mumbai Mirror has it that Mumbai Police are highly concerned about the "overwhelming" numbers of replica weapons (starters) in circulation. Seems the city is queuing up to purchase replicas for 65K to 1.5 lacs, and are using them for criminal purposes!! So, one more toy goes up in smoke??!! They of course interviewed a joker who said it makes him feel important. Again some childish remark goes against the spirit of RKBA!

The article also says, as a matter of course, "arms licenses are almost never granted"! This is what we have to fight. Real RKBA, not "exempted categories". "License raj" should be done away with. So that people looking for self defense do not have to buy a dummy and pray that a criminal will mistake it for the real McCoy and run away.

Will filing individual PILs (overwhelming by numbers) help?

[shadow]

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In related news, today's Mumbai Mirror has it that Mumbai Police are highly concerned about the "overwhelming" numbers of replica weapons (starters) in circulation. Seems the city is queuing up to purchase replicas for 65K to 1.5 lacs, and are using them for criminal purposes!! So, one more toy goes up in smoke??!! They of course interviewed a joker who said it makes him feel important. Again some childish remark goes against the spirit of RKBA!

The article also says, as a matter of course, "arms licenses are almost never granted"! This is what we have to fight. Real RKBA, not "exempted categories". "License raj" should be done away with. So that people looking for self defense do not have to buy a dummy and pray that a criminal will mistake it for the real McCoy and run away.
[/quote]

Yes this piece has made the front page headlines in MM . A step closer for antis to make their "Licence for airguns" case stronger

What next??? Banning of knives & then...

Cheers,
Shadow

[Subal das]

Banning cheap and never works, but it can give votes.So, it can go long way, for example you can get 3 years of jail in UK for carry lockable folder knife.

[ankit_padhye]

Hi,
Where do i get the License for my Airsoft Blanca Pistol??? i mean in which kinda office?

[goodboy_mentor]

Airsofts do not need license and Supreme court has stayed that silly order of Delhi High Court asking airguns to need license. May read this thread for details http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16246

[fantumfan2003]

Can anyone please throw light on these two topics ?


What notice was issued to PFA as mentioned here in the Hindustan Times

http://www.hindustantimes.com/sports-ne ... 91289.aspx

A Bench headed by Justice P Sathasivam also issued a notice to the Maneka Gandhi-led NGO, People For Animals (PFA), on whose petition the HC order had come.

AND the Times of India here.....

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 369140.cms

Thanks to the apex court's intervention, the marksmen can breathe easy, for the time being. The judges, Justices P Sathasivam and J Chelameswar, issued notice to PFA and posted the matter for further hearing.

AND

What are these applications , What are the details......

They also filed applications under section 151 of the Code seeking stay of the impugned judgment and separate applications seeking clarification/modification of the impugned judgment.

This is from the final order by SC

The applicants herein, i.e. National Rifle Association (respondent no. 5, hereafter,
“NRA”) and Toy Air Gun, Air Rifle, Air Pistol & Pellets Manufacturers (W) Association
(respondent no. 6, hereafter “Manufacturers‟ Association”), claiming to be aggrieved by the
impugned judgment filed separate applications seeking leave to file impleadment application and
applications under Order I, Rule 10 of the C.P.C. seeking impleadment. They also filed
applications under section 151 of the Code seeking stay of the impugned judgment and separate
applications seeking clarification/modification of the impugned judgment.
The applications for stay under section 151 of the Code, being I.A. Nos. 11288/2002 (R5)
and 11288/2002 (R6) dated 08.10.2002 and 07.10.2002, respectively were allowed by order of
this Court, dated 01.11.2002. The Court also allowed the respondents‟ applications for leave to
file an application for impleadment and impleadment application and the stay of the impugned
judgment was confirmed the same day, through its order dated 23.07.2003

Thanks

M.