Can we Import Precussion Caps for 12 bore cartridges

[snIPer]

Aha we learn something every day without losing a few digits . Thanks for the warning though.
I think shifting all contents to a fired cartridge will be safer.
/S/

[Amit357]

Hi MoA you underlined the dangers of P.Caps,going off with bad handling,we/i atleast understand your concern of the dangers involved,but just to inform you how we people live with firearms,plz read the thread about Barrel Blast of the IOF Pistol ,production of which is a source of pride for our Nation { ATF BUREAU in US would have thrown these Pistols in the PACIFC or the ATLANTIC ocean depending on there port of arrival if tested by them} .I can go on and on on the kind of problems we face with ammo and arms.Hangfire in 315s is an accepted { in fresh ammo} fact,even advised by coaches /instructers to keep the muzzle away after a CTG doesnt fire {its a bloody 8mm ,think about 200 odd grains of lead with 40 + anything grains of GP,the thickess of the case wouldnt meet the standard in Afganistan or Somalia},we have the entire 12 bore Astram Magna {which is a again a source of pride for IOF} disasemble in the barrel when fired and the Brass Cap flying out of the barrel at time of opening the gun and the plastic tube still stuck in the barrel.I have seen a MAB Shotguns chamber blow up thanks to a Shaktiman cartridge {AGAIN A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR MY COUNTRY}.
So cuting it short,playing with danger { READ UNSAFE AMMO,UNSAFE GUNS} is not a habit for us its a neccesisty
PS IN my country we lose about a 1000 people a day thanks to roads,unsafe vehicles.With a 1.2 Billion of us around P.Caps is not really an issue.

[hamiclar01]

I'm sorry I couldn't get your logic Amit.I may be wrong in my interpretation, but are you saying that's it's ok to disregard red lights, speed limits and one way signs because driving is so unsafe in India anyway?

Could you please clarify?

[MoA]

Your guns, hands and eyes... so I guess you could do what you please. Come to think of it Russian Roulette might also be popular.

BTW will post a thread on reloading later today.

[nagarifle]

we are playing with danger, or are we encouraging danger, what one does in ones house is ones affair, however that does not give one the right to justify any wrong doing. or encourage the same.

let me make this clear, if one wish to play with fire then one has not the right to complain of burnt fingers. in regards to primers/caps. unless they go bang then one has to say they are still alive and dangerous. Thus should be treated with respect.

it is wrong to discuss taking apart cap etc, as lesser skilled or learned person copy s the advice and blows one finger off, it you be your responsibility. Also think about the moral and legal issue.

if one does not like the kf ammo then use imported ones, or get a import licence.

[Amit357]

Hi hamiclar,i dont think that by saying the following i would be trying to defend my logic,but your post on Traffic lights reminded of an incident on which i moved on Green and the joker jumped the red and hit me,he was in a hurry,banged up my new car,he was a doctor and said his patient was in a bad shape so he cost me car a few stiches on my face.Cops said compromise would be the best.In another incident a lawyer banged into my Bike cause i stopped at a RED LIGHT cause he was in a hurry to reach the court.This is India my dear,here doesnt matter even if its RED or GREEN,more so at traffic lights {we dont have fancy stuff like stop signs,if someone posted them they would be covered with posters of TUTIONS,SHOPS etc,etc} you gotta drive with your eyes open, not by the rules of the road.Here everything is a risk.I dont think i can export some cartridges to you in UK but if could,you would understand what i am talking about.We dont have choices,some of the Eley cartridges i have fired and still hold would be in their catalog published in 1960s.
MoA everytime we travel,use a IOF product we are playing Russian Roulett,here its not a game its a way of life,do come to India, i will take you up country just a 150 miles from my home town,i go there pretty often,its Ruski Roulett all the way.Thanks for your informative post on the reloading stuff,but to the best of my Knowldge here we would be in the slammer for most of the offences of the Arms Act if caught with half the stuff you have posted.Its either that or if one is unlucky its TADA,i.e Terroist and Disruptive Actitivities Act.Possesion of GunPowder and P.Caps on a Rifle / Pistol/GUN Licence,man i shudder to think the way COPS would be laughing.Here like Naga has quoted it KF or imported,regarding the import licence i will check that out.

[nagarifle]

hi Amit357
do let us know the out come of the import.

please please keep safety in mind always. As we the forum do not like to have members lose there members or little pinky

[MoA]

MoA everytime we travel,use a IOF product we are playing Russian Roulett,here its not a game its a way of life,do come to India.

Amit just to set the record straight, I am Indian, and grew up in India. Am very intimately familliar with the situation. I only left because I no longer had anything to hold me there.

More than half of what I post would have me detained under the terrorism act in the UK as well. It is just as well I dont call it home.

[Amit357]

Hi Naga,as careful as mice as always,{thats why am still around at 46} checked out the import of ammo stuff from my dealer {I have an A/A Dealership licence a friend is using it,they are getting some ammo as per as the policy}there eligible to get for 5 % of the the annual turnover.They have complied the turnover of 5 dealerships and turns out that the 5% works out to quite a decent ammount.The only issue being that they cant get the ammo of the calibers produced by IOF,so that leaves out most of the popular ones,but still lets see what all they get.
The only reason you have S & B all over India is that its the cheapest ammo availble and they are not fussy about the quantity unlike the other manufactrors.Have told my friend to get some decent ammo like Lapua,Speer,Winchester,Remington,etc,etc Wolf refused as the quantity and diffrent caliber was too much of a headache for them.So whatever comes will post it here all IFGns are more then welcome.
MoA,one more Indian who got away, man hope you are having a ball there,will hope to see you soon,coming to see a wise old man in Scotland and will be there for a week or so,would love to share some Handloading details with you.All the best,hows the weather,must be spring and great time for some outdoors drinking of rum by the bonfire.

[winnie_the_pooh]

Thanks for your informative post on the reloading stuff,but to the best of my Knowldge here we would be in the slammer for most of the offences of the Arms Act if caught with half the stuff you have posted.Its either that or if one is unlucky its TADA,i.e Terroist and Disruptive Actitivities Act.Possesion of GunPowder and P.Caps on a Rifle / Pistol/GUN Licence,man i shudder to think the way COPS would be laughing

Reloading is legal

Hangfire in 315s is an accepted { in fresh ammo}

That is BS

[shooter]

Amit357 wrote:
Hangfire in 315s is an accepted { in fresh ammo}


That is BS

Also just for the record, when one is firing at the range here in the UK, the range officer always instructs you about what to do in case of a misfire. In fact this term 'misfire drill' is used and we are told to keep the gun pointing in a safe direction upto a few minutes. Yes the coaches there instruct you to do because its the safe thing to do and the right thing to do. This doesnt mean that misfires there are accepted. Nor that ammo here doesnt misfire.

Ditto with ear and ear protection. I used to be very 'macho' in india, not worrying about hearing and eye protection nor a hat. Now im thankful for getting sense before i lost my hearing and thank the stars on the day i was wearing a cap and glasses the day that falling piece of clay hit my face and i was saved because of cap and glasses.

[snIPer]

'misfire drill' is used and we are told to keep the gun pointing in a safe direction upto a few minutes.

Just out of curiosity - now that we are on this topic.

Has anyone actually had a case where there has been a misfire and then the cartridge went 'Off' after a few seconds or minutes.

/S/

[nagarifle]

the case of misfire drill came about because more then once some ammo failed or were slow, so not to take any chances this drill is practised.

what shooter says, is the standard drill. safe drill as one can not predict, however if ever were to occur then one is advised in advance what to do.

me? never on small arms carts, have on the 88 and 66 once or twice

[MoA]

Just out of curiosity - now that we are on this topic.

Has anyone actually had a case where there has been a misfire and then the cartridge went 'Off' after a few seconds or minutes.

/S/

I have never had a hangfire per se. But I have had a misfire in .22LR in particular, where it did fire upon reloading it in the chamber.
I do remember a couple of shotgun shells that misfired. Which did go off on second try.

I did have a chain fire, when I had just begun BP, which was quite an event. Other than the drama, no issues.