IOF 30-06 vs .315 rifle

[winnie_the_pooh]

Amit,

Still waiting for proof of the claims that you made re. the 30-06 and .315 rifle.

BTW since 5.56/.223 is not in the list of arms mentioned in Category 1(c) it would fall in the category of NPB

Still waiting.

[winnie_the_pooh]

Waiting anxiously

[Amit357]

Hi Winnie as far as i can understand your Question to me is the, bolt after you worked on it,it performed great,i dont know what your love for the 315 is all about?am still guessing,but you worked on it? WHY,you must have paid good money for it,isnt it your right as a consumer to have something you paid for to work perfectly, i picked up a NIB Browning 30-06, its a 1982 model my friends father picked it up from England along with a Citori, has the catalog and its new,didnt need to work on it,loaded it with 4 160 grains S & B ctgs and fired,didnt need any fixing.my cousin has a Brno Mod 1 22,we have put Bolts of 8 diffrent Brnos 1 in it and they all work.beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder,if your love affair with the 315 is so strong i am sorry if i cast any asperstions on the ladys character,my coment was on 315s and IOF in genral not your 315.If i have offened you in any way,am sorry,that was not the idea.this is the problem i am talking all along,we as consumers of Indian weapons are so used to running to gunsmiths for repairs that we dont mind it,lets see anyone in the rest of the free world do the same.

[Vikram]

Fair enough,Amit.You make valid points.

As I see it,if I may, the point Winnie is trying to make is that there is little that is wrong with the .315 action which is an Enfield action,something that is proven all over the world, and made of steel and not aluminium.Yes, the stock work and finish is a tragedy of biblical proportions. The cartridge is a different beast again.Just to keep it on topic, we have not been discussing the cartridge itself.

All in good spirit and debate.


Best-
Vikram

[winnie_the_pooh]

we as consumers of Indian weapons are so used to running to gunsmiths for repairs that we dont mind it,lets see anyone in the rest of the free world do the same

If you go through some of the (better) sites on the net,you would be surprised.

Re. the .315 and the 30-06,you made a statement about the material the bolts are made of.Just want you to substantiate that.

You also talked of

i)production of .315 being stopped
ii).315 jamming after firing
iii)3 lug bolt for the 30-06

IFG is there to provide information and not misinform people.I would put the aforesaid statements in the latter category.

WHY,you must have paid good money for it

I have not paid a single paisa to any one so far.

As far as swapping bolts of the .315 it is not without reason that No1 Mk3 bolts were/are numbered to the rifle.That said,RFi has moved from metric to inch,so the bolts of new rifles do not interchange with those of the older rifles.However they were never meant to be swapped in the first place.

[msandhu]

Hi Guys,
Few weeks ago, i was handling a couple of .315'sin different colors and from two different factories at a dealer shop. Somehow i swapped the magazine of one rifle in another and to my surprise, it fell from the other rifle. It just refused to stay there. The dealer told me that sometimes they don't fit if u change the magazines. I asked him if i wanted to carry multiple magazines and he told me that it is not advised unless you have already checked the fitting of the magazine to the rifle. This was another reason that made me think twice about .315. even the quality and the finish of the magazine was flimsy.

Regards
MSandhu

[winnie_the_pooh]

Hi Guys,
Somehow i swapped the magazine of one rifle in another and to my surprise, it fell from the other rifle. It just refused to stay there.

The magazine is fitted to the rifle.The same as in all No1 Mk 3's made anywhere else in the world be it England,Australia or Canada.All it takes to fit a magazine to the rifle is some judicious use of a file.I have done it and it is easy.

I asked him if i wanted to carry multiple magazines and he told me that it is not advised unless you have already checked the fitting of the magazine to the rifle. This was another reason that made me think twice about .315.

The magazine is not meant to be swapped.It is not without reason that the magazines are also numbered to the rifle.In fact the magazine is not even meant to be taken out for loading of cartridges.The magazine is meant to be taken out only for cleaning and/or repair.In most cases,if you take out the magazine from the rifle the cartridges will want to pop out.

The No 1 Mk 3's in 303 have a charger bridge and the rifle is reloaded using clips.In case of the .315,cartridges are loaded singly.

[aditya john matthew]

i have used both the rifles .315 for near about 6-7 yrs and .30-06 for more than this period and even after closing my eyes would say that "Undoubtedly 30 is THE BEST" dead accurate as it is heavy than .315 ,and the best hitting power which i have ever seen . dont count on my age as my father had the license but i will say .315 as a replacement for 30 if u r not getting it.

[maximus]

Hi,
I am in the market for a rifle for a close relative. No dealer in Amritsar has 3006 at this time and they say that they all say that its not worth the extra cost as compared to .315.
I would like to know the view from the members with experience with both guns. If we compare both the guns , what are pros and cons ( other than the cost difference) between the two guns and which one will you recommend.
Regards
MSandhu

Hi ,

The .315 IOF Sporting Rifle is based on the Lee Enfield action in 8MM caliber using a rimmed cartridge and firing a 244 grain oblong bullet, wih 1800 FPS velocity ,optimum at 150 yards ,its a low velocity calbre, the effective range would be 150 yards, but it seems that the bullet does stray away after covering that distance. This is a cheaper rifle and the first sporting rifle ever produced by IOF

.30-06 is 300 calibre incepted in 1906 by MAUSER put in use for the WW-1 as M98 rifle based on the famous mauser action which still is being used by many rifle manufacturers across the globe. The calibre was commercialised after the WW-1 and proved to be a succsess, in the hunting world, it is said that "all the calibers combine has not taken more game than the .30-06 alone" it is a very varastile calibre with the most options of bullet grainages from 55 /140/155/160/175/180 and 220 the Muzzle velocity ranges from 3800 FPS to 2700 FPS. But the IOF cartridge is of 180 grains soft nose and quite accurate, but since the import for these round is permitted you can chose the Federals , Kynochs & Winchester silvertips ot Hollow point failsafes.

The overall jist is that the .30-06 is a far superior rifle in the terms of impact/velocity & accuracy . may be slightly expensive. the IOF rifle is based on Reming ton 798 action I have used both of them and found the 30-06 a better performer

Hope this might help !!

[winnie_the_pooh]

Hi ,

The .315 IOF Sporting Rifle is based on the Lee Enfield action in 8MM caliber using a rimmed cartridge and firing a 244 grain oblong bullet, wih 1800 FPS velocity ,optimum at 150 yards ,its a low velocity calbre, the effective range would be 150 yards, but it seems that the bullet does stray away after covering that distance. This is a cheaper rifle and the first sporting rifle ever produced by IOF

.30-06 is 300 calibre incepted in 1906 by MAUSER put in use for the WW-1 as M98 rifle based on the famous mauser action which still is being used by many rifle manufacturers across the globe. The calibre was commercialised after the WW-1 and proved to be a succsess, in the hunting world, it is said that "all the calibers combine has not taken more game than the .30-06 alone" it is a very varastile calibre with the most options of bullet grainages from 55 /140/155/160/175/180 and 220 the Muzzle velocity ranges from 3800 FPS to 2700 FPS. But the IOF cartridge is of 180 grains soft nose and quite accurate, but since the import for these round is permitted you can chose the Federals , Kynochs & Winchester silvertips ot Hollow point failsafes.

The overall jist is that the .30-06 is a far superior rifle in the terms of impact/velocity & accuracy . may be slightly expensive. the IOF rifle is based on Reming ton 798 action I have used both of them and found the 30-06 a better performer

Hope this might help !!

You are partially right in the first para but there after almost wholly wrong

[TwoRivers]

Yes, indeed. First prize for packing most misinformation into a single post.

[eljefe]

Maximus wronginformationus odius

"...the IOF rifle is based on Reming ton 798 action...Hope this might help !.."

I dont think you have said enough. And its definitely wrong info.Your efforts are appreciated, but WE would appreciate if you get your facts right and cut the bullshitting? there are enough members here who not only KNOW their remington from mauser from sauer actions, but BUILD rifles for fun or a living.

PS-
keeping our sanity after a post like yours can be a total biche

[TwoRivers]

Maximus (Erraticus): IOF claims 1975 fps for its .315 loading, in line with Kynoch's and the old Austrian military load at 2035 fps, from a longer barrel. With open sights it's a 150 yds/meters cartridge. As a military cartridge it matches the others, that long heavy bullet carries its velocity very well. Sadly, lighter bullet, higher velocity factory loadings were never developed for it. (I have heard claims of a factory load of a 154 gr. bullet at 2750 fps, but have not been able to verify.) That heavy bullet at low velocity is hard to beat for deep penetration and little destruction of meat. 'Pondoro" Taylor rated it considerably better than the .303 215 gr.load.

The .30-06 Springfield cartridge is the .30-03 Springfield with a shortened neck; both developed by Springfield Arsenal. It is based on the 12mm base diameter rimless case developed by the Prussian Rifle Testing Commission, and introduced with the Model 88 rifle in 1888. No connection to Mauser, but for some features lifted from Mauser's 1871 action.

The .30-06 cartridge is factory loaded (US) with the following bullet weights: 55 grain (4080 fps), a .22 caliber bullet in a plastic sabot for varmints; 125 gr.(3140 fps) for varmints and the smaller big game (the previous 110 grain proved inaccurate and has been dropped.); 150 gr.(2910 fps), 165 gr.(2800 fps); 180gr.(2700 fps); and 220gr.(2410 fps). In addition, there are now some "managed recoil" loads with lower velocity. Or special "High Energy" or "Light Magnum" (discontinued) loads for selected bullet weights, that give somewhat higher velocity. Yes, for hunting the .30-06 is a versatile cartridge, not least due to its very good selection of factory loadings.

The new IOF rifle is based on ( a copy of) the Sauer 200/202 series rifles. The "Remington" M798 is a Mauser M98 manufactured in Serbia. Barrelled actions are then stocked in the US. Not the remotest connection to the .30-06 IOF rifle.

If you post to provide information, rather the voicing personal opinion, please make sure the information you provide is correct. Cheers.


Hi ,

The .315 IOF Sporting Rifle is based on the Lee Enfield action in 8MM caliber using a rimmed cartridge and firing a 244 grain oblong bullet, wih 1800 FPS velocity ,optimum at 150 yards ,its a low velocity calbre, the effective range would be 150 yards, but it seems that the bullet does stray away after covering that distance. This is a cheaper rifle and the first sporting rifle ever produced by IOF

.30-06 is 300 calibre incepted in 1906 by MAUSER put in use for the WW-1 as M98 rifle based on the famous mauser action which still is being used by many rifle manufacturers across the globe. The calibre was commercialised after the WW-1 and proved to be a succsess, in the hunting world, it is said that "all the calibers combine has not taken more game than the .30-06 alone" it is a very varastile calibre with the most options of bullet grainages from 55 /140/155/160/175/180 and 220 the Muzzle velocity ranges from 3800 FPS to 2700 FPS. But the IOF cartridge is of 180 grains soft nose and quite accurate, but since the import for these round is permitted you can chose the Federals , Kynochs & Winchester silvertips ot Hollow point failsafes.

The overall jist is that the .30-06 is a far superior rifle in the terms of impact/velocity & accuracy . may be slightly expensive. the IOF rifle is based on Reming ton 798 action I have used both of them and found the 30-06 a better performer

Hope this might help !![/quote]

[nbatta]

Very soon the Indian Ordnance Factory is going to start selling 30-06 Sporting rifles. You may visit the website and see the details. As per MOH guidelines it will be sold only to people holding sports license. Ammunition would also be available.

[winnie_the_pooh]

Very soon the Indian Ordnance Factory is going to start selling 30-06 Sporting rifles. You may visit the website and see the details. As per MOH guidelines it will be sold only to people holding sports license. Ammunition would also be available.

It is already on sale and some members have bought it.