Which DBBL?

[Vikram]

.32, I will try to explain in simpler terms.

While not shooting, the gun is broke open and carried.So, there is no chance of an accidental discharge.

http://www.ehow.com/video_2355517_carry ... oting.html

Watch this and please try to understand what Hamiclar is trying to tell you.FIY, Hamiclar owns a few guns and shoots very regularly and thousands of rounds a year.Yes,he is relatively much better informed than many of us here.

Best-
Vikram

[winnie_the_pooh]

Personally,I would NEVER carry a loaded shotgun for self defence considering the beating that it can take when carried in a vehicle.Accidental discharge is a very real possibility and is not unheard of,sometimes with tragic consequences.

The tragedy is that the high price of handguns in India drives people to look at shotguns for a purpose that they are not designed for,that is as a carry arm for self defence.

An alternative could be the RFI .315 with the barrel lopped of to about 21" and fitted with a red dot sight or a scout type rifle scope making target acquisition easy .You can get it to feed quite reliably(See the video I posted.This coupled with the Lee Enfield action,should make getting off a couple of quick shots pretty easy.

[hamiclar01]

An alternative could be the RFI .315 with the barrel lopped of to about 21" and fitted with a red dot sight or a scout type rifle scope making target acquisition easy .You can get it to feed quite reliably(See the video I posted.This coupled with the Lee Enfield action,should make getting off a couple of quick shots pretty easy.

Am I smelling a mile long "Suggest me a rifle for self defence" thread in the Rifles section?

At least I know who to blame for it

[sa_ali]

.32
I think you should get in touch with goldy_bansal, If you see this latest thread.
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8657
He has used used all those guns which we debated. Modified hockey stick SxS, full length SxS, Modern O/U, which looks to me barrel length has being shortened.
Since those pics are from shooting party, he should be able to give you end user experience for all the weapons and might be help end you dilemma.
Also he is from bhatinda, in punjab only, So with that, i am assuming he should be near to you as u have mentioned Punjab and not the city
Considering the tough time you are having in deciding, you should be able to put time in it and might ask him for a visit and get hands on experience. Nothing beats holding the gun in own hands and trying it, I am sure that this is the path you should take to help you decide the gun
I am sure that as a fellow IFGian he should be able to help you.

God help those, those who help themselves.

[Drunknhappy]

.32 I personally own 2 pistol grip shotguns.
First one has a pistol grip with a top folding stock.
The second is just a pistol grip shotgun with a door breacher
The door breacher is an attachment at the muzzle of a shotgun that is designed to be jammed into doors in order to blast them open. It is designed such that debris is pushed out laterally and away from the operator. It serves no practical purpose for a civilian but as this model was used in the Iraq war I like to have it.

By the way both my shotguns are 18 inch (legal in the US). Now I respect others view about recommending a handgun for personal protection but if your primary objective is home defense then get a pistol grip pump action shotgun. I don’t recommend it as a carry gun.

A pistol is great weapon but a compromise at best when compared to the intimidation and stopping power of a shotgun. A pistol grip shotgun offers greater movement in tight spaces. It is very comfortable to use for home defense.
In olden days a pistol used to be considered a weapon one uses to fight their way back to the shotgun/rifle they never should have left by their horse in the first place. In today’s civilized society concealment is more important and thus a pistol would do much better. But why on earth would you use a lesser weapon when defending your own home?????

Drunk and Happy as always

[.32]

Thanks fellows for the wonderful suggestions. I saw a coulpe of Guns today, all with conventional butts & none with pistol grips/hockey butts. Just a testament as to how seriously have I considered the suggestions on IFG's.

Following are the Guns:

1) Mehar Singh 24", Cross bolt, Ejector. Built quality not great, plate has play. Also, the mechanicals are hard.

2) Mehar Sing 28", cross bolt, ejector. Built quality is good but barrel end not fine. I wasn't able to comfortably place it on the shoulder but I guess this could be worked out.

3) Visco 24", cross bolt, ejector. Built quality good, no issues.

Out of these Mehar Sings are 4-5 yrs old(new), Visco is 09 manufactured.

Mehar Singhs come ~ 18k while Visco is retailing ~ 29k.

Now, suggest which one to go for!

[hamiclar01]

Just a testament as to how seriously have I considered the suggestions on IFG's.

I hope that includes handling a shotgun safely, not just buying one!

[Sakobav]

Just a testament as to how seriously have I considered the suggestions on IFG's.

I hope that includes handling a shotgun safely, not just buying one!

Point to be noted and hopefully taken..lets move on Gents

Best

[.32]

I hope that includes handling a shotgun safely, not just buying one!

Why are we insisting on OT discussion! I'll not be roaming around at a shooting range where one needs to open the breach & keep the Gun over shoulders. In real life(defence) scenarios, one needs to carry/keep a loaded Gun & not just hang it open over the shoulders to waste the precious little time to react in loading.

Hope for a constructive reply & not the same OT talk.


As I have previously posted, the immediate issue is getting/buying a Gun, the shortlist of which I have mentioned.
Please suggest which one to buy out of three Guns listed.

Also, should one buy an Indian made DBBL with Ejector or not because I hear that ejectors fail.

[hamiclar01]

Why are we insisting on OT discussion! I'll not be roaming around at a shooting range where one needs to open the breach & keep the Gun over shoulders. In real life(defence) scenarios, one needs to carry/keep a loaded Gun & not just hang it open over the shoulders to waste the precious little time to react in loading.

Hope for a constructive reply & not the same OT talk.

I am shocked that you consider gun safety issues Off Topic, that too in a forum run to promote responsible and safe shooting!!! While nobody expects you to run for cartridges when attacked, your consistent callous disregard for the ethics of gun safety, the total inability to absorb points which do not echo your own predetermined ideas, short fuse, zero sense of humour and a remarkable lack of insight probably means you are an accident waiting to happen and should not be carrying a gun in the first place.

[.32]

There are dedicated threads to discuss the points you are stressing upon, why would you want to dilute a thread on buying query to show/portray you know more!

Get your ego shot somewhere else! Moreover you are nobody to decide who carries what & how! Keep your whims & fancies confined to yourself.

Btw, would you carry a handgun also opened!

How many armed/service personal have you seen carrying arms with breach open & hung on shoulders!
Just a figment of your imagination.

Please take the next 6 hours to cool off. - Mod

[grewal]

total inability to absorb points which do not echo your own predetermined ideas, short fuse, zero sense of humour and a remarkable lack of insight probably means you are an accident waiting to happen and should not be carrying a gun in the first place.

Hamiclair01 should not be poking his nose in everybody's butt. And should keep his preachings to himself . I hope the moderator should measure everyone with the same scale and should not be bias towards some exclusive ( so called senior members ). Since I was given a warning I hope someone else is also waiting to get one. It is pertinent to mention here that in some other thread hamiclair01 got entangled with me also .

Now lets see how our esteemed jury comes out their verdict.

[Drunknhappy]

There are dedicated threads to discuss the points you are stressing upon, why would you want to dilute a thread on buying query to show/portray you know more!

Get your ego shot somewhere else! Moreover you are nobody to decide who carries what & how! Keep your whims & fancies confined to yourself.

Btw, would you carry a handgun also opened!

How many armed/service personal have you seen carrying arms with breach open & hung on shoulders!
Just a figment of your imagination.

Please take the next 6 hours to cool off. - Mod

It does not seem like you have very good knowledge about guns. I recommend you take a safety course before getting your gun. Some of the totting and swinging of shotguns that you are talking about in previous posts is done in movies, not in real life. For civilian use I would only recommend a shotgun for home defense only.

Many of the shotguns you have mentioned may not have the required safeties to carry chambered such as drop safety that comes standard on most handguns. Most holsters cover your handgun trigger but what about loaded and chambered shotguns. If a service personal is pointing a gun in a direction that is unsafe then he is making a terrible safety blunder.

I implore you to take a gun safety course before you buy your gun and I assure you after the course your attitude towards guns will change.

NOTE: Even on hunting trips people carry their shotguns and rifles with the chamber open.

[grewal]

Many of the shotguns you have mentioned may not have the required safeties to carry chambered such as drop safety that comes standard on most handguns.

My beloved friend will you please give some name of the gun manufacturer in india who makes guns as per the above said standard so that .32 will have the honour to buy the same.

There is a popular saying in Punjab
" those who have got trousers stitched must have kept some space to pee through "

So I hope .32 will be wise enough to handle a gun safely . And needs not to be preached .

[mundaire]

Grewal & .32,

Allow me to make a few points:

a) Gun safety is NEVER OFF TOPIC on any thread on this forum. It is too important an issue to be marked as OT at someone's whim. Whenever anyone on this forum displays a lack of understanding on this, it is expected of any member viewing such a post to apprise the person of safety aspects/ issues involved. The very first post when IFG started out in 2004 (on yahoo groups) was GUN SAFETY, and there is a very good reason why that would be so. So I advise everyone here to leave personal egos out of gun safety!

b) .32 taking umbrage at another member pointing out safety issues, led to his 6 hour "cooling off" period. If someone is unwilling to bear arms responsibly & safely, this forum can well do without such people who pose a danger both to themselves and to those around them and end up bringing disrepute to responsible gun owners everywhere. Hopefully when .32 returns today evening, he will take note of the safety issue involved and let the matter rest there.

c) All moderator decisions are final and not subject to being second guessed on the forum. If anyone feels that any moderator has been unfair, please feel free to write to the owner of this website at webmaster [at] indiansforguns [dot] com

d) As has been pointed out earlier, none of these shotguns are ever TRULY SAFE when loaded. As it seems not everyone is aware of this rather crucial fact, allow me to explain in further detail. In these designs once the shotgun has been loaded, you have two cocked hammers poised above the firing pins, the only thing holding them in place are a couple of sears. The so called "safety" in these guns will merely lock the trigger(s), but not block either the hammer or the firing pins. In such a situation, a hard knock on the gun or mechanical failure (caused by improperly engaged sears, worn out sears etc.) can cause the gun to go off, with potentially disastrous results! Don't take my word for it, ask any of the old timers who used to hunt in the days when hunting was legal, almost everyone of them will have at least one story to tell in this regard. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW YOUR GUN PRIOR TO USE and ALL ASPECTS OF GUN SAFETY SHOULD BE SECOND NATURE TO YOU PRIOR TO ACQUIRING A FIREARM! See http://www.corneredcat.com/Safety/fourrules.aspx for a brief one page explanation.

No one was born with knowledge, every single person has had to acquire it through personal experience or by learning from those who were willing to share their knowledge & experience with them whether first hand or via some media (books, videos, the internet etc.).

I am locking this thread and it will only be unlocked on .32's request - we will not have any mud slinging matches here gentlemen!

Cheers!
Abhijeet