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[amit888_2000]

Main Problem in shooting--------
1) NRAI cannot & does not issue ammo of any kind to any shooters.......they issue only for trials which is free, or to that person who has become renowned shot (Now question is how to reach renowned shot, with out ammo & gun)..
2) NRAI cannot sell sports guns or rather import sports guns/pistols on behalf of shooters.....(now without guns, how can you become shooter)
3) how to start shooting. as a sports...(this increase black market, or rather second hand market for old & imported weapons)

we should rase voice against lots other issues-------I think in a seperate thread.........any suggestions ?

[Vikram]

Visho, I can certainly agree with what you said.Fair enough.

Only,if they had the trials as per the declared date,the ruckus wouldn't have occurred. Or they should have at least informed him that the trials were postponed.Would you agree to that,Amit?

Amit wrote:

1) NRAI cannot & does not issue ammo of any kind to any shooters.......they issue only for trials which is free, or to that person who has become renowned shot (Now question is how to reach renowned shot, with out ammo & gun)..
2) NRAI cannot sell sports guns or rather import sports guns/pistols on behalf of shooters.....(now without guns, how can you become shooter)
3) how to start shooting. as a sports...(this increase black market, or rather second hand market for old & imported weapons)

I am not nit picking, but this is exactly what's called mismanagement and inefficiency.Corruption,nepotism,stagnation,vindictiveness towards dissension- you name it they are guilty of it. Also,may I ask a favour?Could you please write complete sentences which makes it easy to understand what you are saying?Thanks.

Best-
Vikram

[biking3819]

NRAI has its flaws ...... agreed. maybe they do nothing for the shooting community.....ok....
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Visho NRAI is a supportive body,the ideals are great as HVJ says novices need good parents and all....
the problem lies with the bodies who represent NRAI ...
Agree to vikram here-
trials gets cancelled without intimation, now mate thats some mismanagement and inefficiency.Corruption,nepotism,stagnation,vindictiveness towards dissension- you name it they are guilty of it,the guys always keep NRAI in the news for all things not great sounding for the sport.
now how about a system overhaul by the sport authority of india and put up some competent ,and people from this sport up in the rankings of NRAI.
-sanjiv

[hvj1]

now how about a system overhaul by the sport authority of india and put up some competent ,and people from this sport up in the rankings of NRAI.
-sanjiv
Dear Sanjiv
With all due respects to you, please do not get offended when I ask you, whether you have had any interaction with the SAI? I have and my comments are as follows;
1.Most of the coaches, I have interacted with do display a much higher degree of knowledge and have produced results more than any State Govt. appointed coaches. However, the Netaji Subhash National Institute of Sports (NSNIS) does not conduct DIploma course for shooting. A few certificate courses were introduced, these are not worth the paper they are printed on and stand nowhere in terms of knowledge content when compared with the NIS DIploma.
Therefore, if you are thinking of asking NIS officials to overhaul the NRAI, then due to the above mentioned facts, it is not possible.
2. Secondly, the NRAI is an autonomous sport body, whose functioning is independent of any govt. interference (read SAI). So there is no question of SAI even thinking along those lines.
3.To my mind, NSNIS,MUST introduce a DIploma course in Shooting (1 year). However this is again not happening because, there is nobody to design the course, or if somebody does design the course, then you need full time chaps, to teach the course, based permanently in Patiala.
4. Yes , I can (working on it) develop such a course, but I would not be interested in living in Patiala.
5. Now if you are wondering why I am jawing so much about the coaching angle, then I suggest you read what Bindra, Gagan Narang, Jung and Rathore have to say about the coaching and training aspect.
Regards

[biking3819]

now how about a system overhaul by the sport authority of india and put up some competent ,and people from this sport up in the rankings of NRAI.
-sanjiv
Dear Sanjiv
With all due respects to you, please do not get offended when I ask you, whether you have had any interaction with the SAI? I have and my comments are as follows;
1.Most of the coaches, I have interacted with do display a much higher degree of knowledge and have produced results more than any State Govt. appointed coaches. However, the Netaji Subhash National Institute of Sports (NSNIS) does not conduct DIploma course for shooting. A few certificate courses were introduced, these are not worth the paper they are printed on and stand nowhere in terms of knowledge content when compared with the NIS DIploma.
Therefore, if you are thinking of asking NIS officials to overhaul the NRAI, then due to the above mentioned facts, it is not possible.
2. Secondly, the NRAI is an autonomous sport body, whose functioning is independent of any govt. interference (read SAI). So there is no question of SAI even thinking along those lines.
3.To my mind, NSNIS,MUST introduce a DIploma course in Shooting (1 year). However this is again not happening because, there is nobody to design the course, or if somebody does design the course, then you need full time chaps, to teach the course, based permanently in Patiala.
4. Yes , I can (working on it) develop such a course, but I would not be interested in living in Patiala.
5. Now if you are wondering why I am jawing so much about the coaching angle, then I suggest you read what Bindra, Gagan Narang, Jung and Rathore have to say about the coaching and training aspect.
Regards

Thanx HVJ for the above information.
Since we have you here ,i would really love if you could shed some information on NRAI and its functioning as being an independent body who chairs and form the regulations and principles with which it functions ,how ISSF rules are factored and who does it interact with-the NRAI or the SAI,and the exact need forNRAI when SAI is already present for the sport and state govt rifle associations may function independently with stipulated framework by SAI,i am asking you this ,dont consider it an idiotic question,as i feel you have encouraged to clear the queries as always.
sorry for being offtopic to this post but it helps to know some basic facts related to the present crises as i still believe that it is not Bindra himself who was the cause.
Missing out on good coaches does not help anyone is what i understand,so where are the good coaches of India ,are they with SAI,NRAI or state rifle associations?, seems that most of the reputed coaches of india are associated with the NRAI or is it not?,
out of all this its a wise decision from your end not to leave for patiala

also included is the link to Bindra's blog -http://abhinavbindra.blogspot.com/
this extract was relevant to my understanding of the situation -
"I strongly stand by what i have said all along & that is that our athletes deserve the best possible support for preparation. the support must be provided on time. I have absolutely nothing against any person or any person heading any federation. My belief is that every federation must be run professionally and effeciently so that the athlete can focus on what he or she is supposed to do and that is to train and compete with a free mind and not worrying about where the next bullet is going to come from. It is the job of the federation to facilitate this process for the athlete, cos its because of the athletes that a federation exists. When this starts to happen i can assure you that performance will improve a lot , and it would give a feeling that there is someone for you."

regards Sanjiv

[hvj1]

Hello Sanjiv,
1. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) is responsible and overseas the running of all olympic sports. Its objectives for different olympic discilpines are carried out by respective International Federations (such as the International Shooting Sports Federation-ISSF).
2. The IOC, is represented in each country, in India, it is the Indian Olympic Committee, which comprises of National Sports Federation, such as the NRAI.
3. The ISSF, is the governing body for shooting sports in the world, it lays down rules for conduct of the various shooting events. The ISSF is represented by the NRAI in India. The NRAI, oversees the sport of shooting in India according to the charter laid down by the ISSF.
4. The NRAI, carries outs its objectives and activities, through State Shooting associations, such as the Maharashtra Rifle Association, in Maharastra.
5. The governing body ofthe NRAI, is elected by the different State Rifle Associations.
6. The State Rifle Associations governing body is elected by the affiliated District Rifle Associations and clubs.
7. Finally, the District Rifle Associations governing bodies are elected by the clubs affiliated to it within its district.

So this is how, each sports discipline, objectives, conduct and organisation tricles down from the top (IOC) to clubs at the district level.

In addition to the above, the IOC, in order to achieve better governance, conduct and achievement of sporting objectives REGION wise, has the Asian Olympic Committee, the European, The Pan American, African etc olympic committees, which conduct their own games for strengthening sports at the regional level. Hence we have Asian Games, Asian Shooting, Junior Asian Games etc.

Note: The ISSF, does not interfere in any country's internal working, it can only disaffiliate, ban or suspend a national federation, only underr stipulated conditions Its basic role is GUIDE, SUPERVISE AND ADVICE.

Finally,the leading countries in the olympic medal tally have officials, who themselves are olympians, world champions, etc. In India, it is different. That is why I give credit to the (much maligned) BCCI, who so ever the President or secretary maybe, the selection committees and the various committees directly controlling the various aspects of the sport are headed and run by Test Cricketers. So is it surprising that we have achieved the No.1 status? Imagine, if the BCCI was run like the other sports federations. Then why is everybody MOANING, Oh they have so much money? What about Hockey India? Do I see Olympians governing and running the sport? See where we are in Hockey?
Regards

[biking3819]

Thanx HVJ.Appreciate your effort.
regards