National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by MoA » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:41 pm

The politics of sport in India. :roll:

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Post by hvj1 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:48 pm

Why is it that we consider the printed word as the gospel truth, with the prevailing standards of journos and their penchant for masala items, its a pity that we quickly subscribe to the crap dished out by them without bothering to go deeper. Every organisation in this country requires a thorough over haul, but that does not mean that we throw out the baby along with the bath water.
Abhinav Bindra got his gold, due to his independent training methods and his coach. India has produced several world clas shoooters, Anjali, Suma Shirur, Samresh Jung and many more, I have never seen them touching the feet of NRAI officials, and for that matter, there will always be the custom of some , who try to be on the good side of officials, by diving onto their feet at any opportunity in a display of respect. Gushing flattery, hell you see that in all walks of life, but I have yet to see, some of these high board divers coming up with great performances?

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by m24 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:23 pm

Dear hvj1, Please look at the following statement taken from the introduction for the NRAi website. The 1st line itself states: "The National Rifle Association of India (NRAI) was formed on April 17, 1951, to develop the shooting sport in India and impart training to civilians for self-defense." Source: http://www.nrai.in/introduction.html

1st portion in bold: My question is simple, Is "today" the best they can do?? And by today, I mean the condition of shooting sports in India, the ranking of India among the peers.

2nd portion in bold: NRAI seems to have forgotten this as ever being the part of their goal and founding reason as an organization. :roll:

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2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by nagarifle » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:39 pm

jobs for the boys, mate, jobs for the boys :D
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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:12 pm

"The National Rifle Association of India (NRAI) was formed on April 17, 1951, to develop the shooting sport in India and impart training to civilians for self-defense." Source: http://www.nrai.in/introduction.html
The present policies of NRAI are such that, it is very difficult for ordinary citizens to join it, by making new membership difficult and very costly. Ref: http://www.nrai.in/membershipform.html Hence the stated objective "to develop the shooting sport in India and impart training to civilians for self-defense." gets discouraged and defeated by keeping the membership to only a few who can go through illogical/lengthy procedures and pay hefty membership fees. As far as I know NRAI gets money from centre to run it's business, logically the membership procedures should be simple and fees should be free or just nominal. Any ideas how this can be challenged to make it easy and affordable to general public? As far as I can think of NRAI is a public institution since it receives funds from centre and not a private institution.

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by m24 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:09 pm

goodboy_mentor wrote: As far as I know NRAI gets money from centre to run it's business, logically the membership procedures should be simple and fees should be free or just nominal. Any ideas how this can be challenged to make it easy and affordable to general public? As far as I can think of NRAI is a public institution since it receives funds from centre and not a private institution.
When did logic ever had anything to do with any govt. organization?? :) Can anybody help me in finding the act / resolution of 1951 which made NRAI a govt.body (Please let me know within this week or I will have to file an RTI with NRAI for the same)? We can go through that document, see the actual goals of the organization , and then look at how we can initiate changes (if it can be done).

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1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by hvj1 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:08 pm

Dear M24
Regarding self defense.the NRAI depends on its state associations to carry out some of the objectives. To this effect the Mah. Rifle Association, conducts Safety Courses, open to public, for those interested in learning about safe gun handling. I am not aware of other associations conducting such courses.
The NRAI however, actively contributes within the corridors of power, for easing norms for obtaining weapons, which favors sportspersons. Most of the times, the top officials of the NRAI spend their valuable executive time, beating through the dense walls of the govt. to obtain better facilities for the shooting fraternity. Its a long harangue with the Central Govt. on issues of competition ammunition procurement, getting budgets and competitions schedules for internationals passed. Payments to be made for training camp officials and coaches etc, etc.
Under these circumstances, I wonder if they have the time to pursue 'self defense' goals.
But yes I do agree with you, that I have not seen much on self defense issues, perhaps I am not privy to the matter or because I am more focussed on competition shooting.
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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:50 pm

hvj1 wrote:Dear M24
The NRAI however, actively contributes within the corridors of power, for easing norms for obtaining weapons, which favors sportspersons.
Like ensuring that ammo quota that shooters are allowed to import does not get increased from 15,000 to 25,000 :?:

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Re: National rifle body slapped with Rs 8 crore fine

Post by hvj1 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:14 am

winnie_the_pooh wrote:
hvj1 wrote:Dear M24
The NRAI however, actively contributes within the corridors of power, for easing norms for obtaining weapons, which favors sportspersons.
Like ensuring that ammo quota that shooters are allowed to import does not get increased from 15,000 to 25,000 :?:
Dear Winnie the Pooh,
I have no clue about this one, but let me check on this item and will get back to you.
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