Shooting Range!

[stunngun]

hmmmmm

I dint know we were taking about flash back where is only 1 side to the coin!

I also dint know we were talking about tribes and at a time which went way back to the British rule!

I also dint know that the marks on the walls were made by the guns which the Afghanis carried and were their property!

I also dint know that the US is actually wanting to make Afghanistan a base so that it can have a nice view of things goin on India, Pakistan and other surrounding place, South Asia, if you please! So much for wanting to be super power!

I also dint know that Afghanistan was trained for war for a purpose, what was it?- involving Russia and US and then later on given a status of being terrorists after they had no use left for them!

I will want to leave the conversation at that and say penpusher you are more knowledgeable in these matters!

About Ranjeet Singh and the treaty signed, that was not for a life time, but a particular period of time, AFAIK.

You are proud and sensitive, great! What do you do about it?- How do I know? Ask the people who support you and your cause!

And, yes, I will take up the cause with my Pakistani *friends*! I wont talk about this on a forum which will give me one side of the story without knowing the other side as well! Does this site allow a platform which allows them to speak about what is being said about them? SO much for guts man

And I thought this was a fair platform! Next time when you talk politics with me, gimme some authentic links and some people from the other side as well, so that the conversation is not about joining hands against our neighbours. We all see things differently, whats the need to get so hyper about or you having a bad hair day? Dont take it out on me! I dont suppose I said anythign wrong ! Mind your tone too, I dont see myself losing my temper and goin nuts for being misunderstood with every post I make out here and it has happened one too many a times!

Now I care a flying f*** for your outburst ! Kick me out of here or tell me where the delete button is I will do the frigging honour myself! So much for a conversation with a peaceful mind!

You being a Sikh also dont matter to me! I dont come here to post as a hindu/muslim/sikh/christian. Yuo dont need to know my religion to post or reply to me! But yeah if nationality makes a big fat difference to you, then I ahve some of my roots in Pakistan so will most of the people here! Now go chuck me outa here!

[Sakobav]

Chill out a bit and this is the season to spread cheer and joy..

Cheers

[Satpal_S]

stunngun:

I think you overreacted to HHarshads casual remarks about bullet pockmarked walls in Afghanistan.

It is a common sight we see on Telly everyday.

Stay cool because a gunowner should always remain cool and calm, no matter whatever the provocation. This is Rule NO-1 of Gun ownership.
Hotheaded people merely end up shooting their loved ones in a flare of anger.

My rule#1: Eat good Biryani, be it from Delhi or Lahore!

Happy holidays!!

Satpal

[Vikram]

Ms Stunngun,

Had to step in. Let me see if I could address some of the issues you raised in your post.

"And I thought this was a fair platform!"

And why not? What did this forum do to prevent a fair discussion? penpusher has every right to express his views as you do and he did. Being a moderator does not rob him of his right to express his views.

“I will want to leave the conversation at that and say penpusher you are more knowledgeable in these matters”

This forum is not meant to be a ring to hold competitions of acrobatic cerebrations, but for exchange of views and I see nothing wrong in expressing dissent.


“You are proud and sensitive, great! What do you do about it?- How do I know? Ask the people who support you and your cause”! –

A personal attack. The first no no of a civilised discussion.

"And, yes, I will take up the cause with my Pakistani *friends*! I wont talk about this on a forum which will give me one side of the story without knowing the other side as well! Does this site allow a platform which allows them to speak about what is being said about them? SO much for guts man . "

"Next time when you talk politics with me, gimme some authentic links and some people from the other side as well, so that the conversation is not about joining hands against our neighbours. "


Another personal attack and imputing motives to this forum. penpusher is not this forum and the views expressed are his only. What did IFG do here? Go ahead we would like to see the very links and hard facts about the things you spoke of. Of course, it is only fair.


"We all see things differently, whats the need to get so hyper about or you having a bad hair day? Don't take it out on me! I don't suppose I said anythign wrong ! Mind your tone too, I dont see myself losing my temper and goin nuts for being misunderstood with every post I make out here and it has happened one too many a times!"

Now you tell me Lady, if you are in deed one, this being Internet etc, where did penpusher go hyper. He merely contradicted your generalisation that The Afghans are not just plain simply proud and sensitive but are also capable of displaying intolerable cruelty as we all are. Irrespective of whether I agree with his words or yours, you were giving an unsolicited lesson in history to Harshad and it is only legitimate that penpusher gave another side of that History. You have every right to contest his post and he yours. You know that he is a Sikh and you still wouldn't’t show the grace in not indulging in hurling a petty taunt toward his hair. You tell me what kind of civilised,peaceful and fair discussion is this?
I really do not understand it when you speak of being misunderstood at your every post. Correcting you may not be the same as misunderstanding you.


"Now I care a flying f*** for your outburst! Kick me out of here or tell me where the delete button is I will do the frigging honour myself! So much for a conversation with a peaceful mind!"

No explanation needed for these words. I/we am/are not deleting this post until everyone reads these posts and judge for them selves.

"You being a Sikh also dont matter to me! I dont come here to post as a hindu/muslim/sikh/christian. Yuo dont need to know my religion to post or reply to me! But yeah if nationality makes a big fat difference to you, then I ahve some of my roots in Pakistan so will most of the people here! Now go chuck me outa here!"

Now, we do not mind you having friends or roots in Pakistan or if you are from Pakistan. I everyday sit with them, dine with them, enjoy a great many things etc. Everyone interested in guns is wholeheartedly welcome here. Yes, we passionately disagree on a variety of issues with utmost politeness. Yes, we are capable of inflicting injury,verbal and physical, upon each other.

We are not chucking you out of here. Rather, I challenge you to stay, debate, discuss, contribute, learn and do your bit for gun rights in India. If you do, we appreciate it highly. Let’s see if you have it in you to indulge in civilised debates.

With only the best-
Vikram

[mehulkamdar]

Nisha,

I don't think penpusher means anything other than what he clearly says - he is a historian by education and interest and I doubt that we have anyone anywhere near as knowledgeable on matters of history especially in the Indian subcontinent as he is. He is also a tremendously knowledgeable person on Indian laws and on the history of the constitution and especially the gun laws in India, for all of which he has my personal, unqualified respect. I know him from our discussions on this and the older forums as a straight shooter and someone who means what he says with no motives or imputations in his posts. There really is no need for a misunderstanding here and even less for a dispute of any kind.

For the record, my mother is a Pakistani by birth and my maternal grandparents came to India long after Partition when finding educational avenues for the girls in the family became difficult in Pakistan. Though they were not Muslims they escaped the worst of the riots there when a Pathan friend of my grandfather's put a burkha over him, put his arm around him and walked him to their residence at one of the worst phases in the rioting. My grandfather died bitterly sorry about the loss of a grand home, a lifestyle of casual luxury and friendships that he had made over the first forty five years or more of his life when he moved permanently out of Pakistan at first and then to India.

As a historian, penpusher is right in pointing out the barbaric side of history as I would be right in pointing out the positive side in my own maternal grandfather's life. It is a recognition that things went wrong in the past that would help to heal wounds in the future. Knowing penpusher I am sure that this is what he means. In the end, if the Europeans who saw two world wars kill millions of people could find ground to come together as a union, perhaps, it is by recognising the shared history - both good and bad - that we may someday be able to create a zone in South Asia that matches and improves upon the worst horrors of the past.

Personally, I think this conflict is as good a time to make amends as any - indeed, if we could make them on the site and go on from here, it might be symbolic, on a miniscule scale, of the amends that could be made between, say the people of India and Pakistan. Thanks to Inder - also a proud Sikh and a very good friend of mine - I have made hunting friends in Pakistan whom I talk to very frequently and whom I hope to meet in the future.

I do think this "dispute" as it may be could easily be put behind us. There is no need for anyone to leave the forums and there is even less need for us to fight over the past, especially a past that we did not have anything to do with and are still subject to in ways that we do not like.

[kanwar76]

I think this post got blown out of proportion without any reason. I don't think when Harshad mentioned Afghanistan he said anything against afghan or Pakistani people. He merely used it as an example for destruction.

Cool it guys lets talk shooting instead of this political BS.

-Inder

[penpusher]

Stunngun,

First, a disclaimer.These views are mine alone and do not represent those of other members or the policy of this forum.

I don't get you.If you have got this impression that I am against any religious or ethnic group ,then you seem to have misunderstood.

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Stunngun,you are welcome to express you're views and so am I.You can disagree with them but then so can I.

If you have the time,please read my previous post again for I do not find anything in it that should have provoked you. Nowhere have I said that I am a Sikh.You must have deduced it yourself Or do you think,that the Pakistanis are free to malign Sikhs.Are they not Indian citizens and should not an insult to them also be an insult to Indian's.

Don't worry about me being offended.I am not that 'sensitive'
"Oh,my wounded sikh psyche"

Which shooting range were we talking about??????????????????

Your friend Lt..????Colnel or was it General or has he become a Field Marshal by now,also seems to be very 'sensitive'.Have not heard from him for a long time.Do ask him to come back to this forum since he has gone to the trouble of registering here.

Mehul,seems to be a bit over generous in his praise of me Do listen to what he has to say about Indian politics,history and about firearms ,though. I owe my awareness of firearms other than service weapons, to him.Guru ji Mehul for me


penpusher

PS-I have deleted a portion of my post.I had given a very detailed reply but then thought that I don't need to explain myself to you.

[penpusher]

My rule#1: Eat good Biryani, be it from Delhi or Lahore

Prefer the Hyderabadi one.Followed by Khurmani-ka-meetha.The last time I was there,I ate so much of both that a couple of waiters came to check where I was putting all of it

penpusher

[horribleharshad]

Oh No! I am very sorry to cause all this. Yes, I meant that the walls looked like they had been destroyed.... as afghanistan undoubtedly has been.

The topic has gone way south. I mean no offence to anybody, and politics is something I never talk about.

As far as inflation is concerned, ma'am i'm not as dumb as I sound. You pay 300 bucks a day? You'd be better off buying your own rifle and starting shooting. I merely mentioned the point. Nothing else.

Sir (mr.mehul), the thing is people are not always morons, just ignorant. ( Myself being one of them.) Did not want any guest to read the post and go around shooting in his house.

TO: ms. stungun, I apologise for any offence I have caused and assure you that it was not done so deliberately.

PS. My age is displayed along with my posts, though i am at a loss why this information is required.

[penpusher]

PS. My age is displayed along with my posts

Her's is not

though i am at a loss why this information is required.

Probably as a result of the Indian habit of equating age with knowledge. So, maybe you are not knowledgeable enough for her

penpusher

[horribleharshad]

Oh god, i think I'll have to grow a beard and moustache myself..... Do I get to join the 'sages culb' at IFG then?

[penpusher]

Oh god, i think I'll have to grow a beard and moustache myself..... Do I get to join the 'sages culb' at IFG then?

No ,but you can be one of Santa's little helpers

penpusher

[monty3006]

penpusher,
I couldn't have put it in better words myself. I agree with you with all my heart. But let us try and keep politics out of our forum if possible. We are all gun lovers here. Politics is a dirty game that ruins otherwise good friendships. I don't think harshad meant anything by his comments and I'm actually agast at stunngunn for jumping on him like that.
What I said to you goes for stunngunn too. Please try aand keep politics ... local, national or international out of this forum.
Monish

[horribleharshad]

Ok, but does santa give gifts to his good employees too?

Or is it one of those things, 'employees not permitted to participate'?

Of course, if it is, I'll probably just be spared some coal.....

[Satpal_S]

H-Harshad:

Noticed you are 16, a very nice/carefree age to enjoy airgun shooting and life in general. I can relate to what you are saying. When I was a kid myself, I used to shoot My Diana 27 everyday. Where was it done, at home of course! Homes were lot bigger then, 2000 Square yard Kothis. Single storied, the large rooftops used to be target ranges and Pigeon/Dove/Crow/chipmunk/Lalri/Sparrow hunting places. Lots of "Peech larane"/kite matches and kite flying. The many trees in our kothi had so many pellets in them, looked like they had been shotgunned.
So HH enjoy yourself to the hilt now, you will have lot of nice memories, when you are my age 51.

penpusher: Suggestion noted regarding Biryani, will be visiting India quite frequently. Our Startup just finishing it's IPO. Last startup for me, from now on 6 months India/USA routine. Our home in Delhi is being refinished, will buy a car, roam like free bird. Delhi, Punjab, Mumbai and wherever else I have old friends/old memories. Time to enjoy life, have worked too hard for too loo-ong!

RE. Beards: Very easy to grow. Hair on the head is a different matter. My hair used to be upto my waist in college, now barely falling beyond my shoulders(Have tried tonnes of lotions/potions/Oils). My sons laugh at me when I show them my old pictures. No way "MR. Half Baldie Dad", that could be you.

Guys, have fun!!!

Satpal