Can New Weapons System Change the Mentality of these Cops?

[hvj1]

Yes bravery can never be taught, but what is taught to soldiers and special forces is a 'conditioned response' capable of meeting and neutralizing a threat'. Till 26/11, took place , this kind of training was not provided to the average cop, so the results are there for us to see. However, Force One,is being trained on the lines of special forces, SWOT. With that objective in mind the equipment required must conform to the demands of the situation, so these weapons and equipment are perfectly appropriate. Finally it will ultimately all hinge on the 'training'.But I forsee a bigger problem in the near future. Now politicians will ask for special protection from Force one to protect their precious backsides.

[goodboy_mentor]

[professor]

Exactly hvj1,
that's what I was saying.....bravery can never be taught & as such we don't see any connection between education & bravery but that is the basic element & the basic difference which can be observed while recruiting a cadet at NDA & a simple cop. Atleast one should have the intelectual level to understand doctarine & conditioned response....also education remains the key point to learn the newer techniques & machinary....



professor

[hvj1]

Dear Professor,
There is one other point which I wish to highlight, while the education level of both entry level NDA student and constable level are the same - XI/XII std, The psychological screening test conducted during SSB also goes a long way in determining the charachter and psychological profile of the candidate. In case of constables no such screening is done, I am not sure whether they do a similar test for PSI level either. But however smart one may be academically, flunking the psychological test ensures an immediated exit from SSB.
By the way, IQ tests are also part of these psychological tests.
BR

[tingriman]

You are right Professor, education is one of basic element of any training, basically it is the foundation stone. The general mentality, attitude, ability to take right and quick decisions particularly in stress situations (Situation Reaction Test is used to find this factor), adoptability apart from the generall intelligence are some of the vital requirements which are tested in case of NDA/CDA in SSB. The process is time consuming, expensive and ofcouse not fool proof. But the the main part which makes one of the best officers of the world is the grooming which is done in the training schools/colleage. Same level of traning and grooming is not given in case of members of police force even low ranking army officials. The regular mental conditioning of a cops or soliders is very important. Our soliders are kept well tune (mentally prepared to meet any challenge) all the time, but why same cannot be achieved in case of our cops. Finance should not be a constrain when saftey and security is an issue.

regards,
tingriman

[professor]

[Sakobav]

'e right and quick decisions particularly in stress situations (Situation Reaction Test is used to find this factor), adoptability apart from the generall intelligence are some of the vital requirements which are tested in case of NDA/CDA in SSB."

This is true tingriman, hvj1 et al that officers and soldiers / ranks can be trained but unlike defense forces Indian police has very distinct hierarchy not all the top police officers rise through ranks. What I mean is direct recruits from Ranks, ASI, SI , Inspectors , DSP and then the IPS officers each one of them has a different career path and deemed to perform various tasks, IPS folks considered to be the quasi ideologues, thinkers strategists etc and others are enforcers on flip side senior officers are seen more idealistic and come up with ill conceived impractical orders. I have sensed the resentment many a times between officers of different cadres neither is there any set program for training Police men and officers. The prime training spots are also available for pick by IPS and then others get the chance in the same order.
Eitherway to give them their due Policing isnt all its made up to be its tough job - one has to put up with long hours , the political pressure and general pressure is immense and honest officers are shuttled around like musical chairs and harassed needlessly. Something needs to be done to improve their moral and well being before any meaningful reforms can be made.

Best

[cottage cheese]

Yes bravery can never be taught, but what is taught to soldiers and special forces is a 'conditioned response' capable of meeting and neutralizing a threat'. Till 26/11, took place , this kind of training was not provided to the average cop, so the results are there for us to see. However, Force One,is being trained on the lines of special forces, SWOT. With that objective in mind the equipment required must conform to the demands of the situation, so these weapons and equipment are perfectly appropriate. Finally it will ultimately all hinge on the 'training'.But I forsee a bigger problem in the near future. Now politicians will ask for special protection from Force one to protect their precious backsides.

SWOT?

...not baiting you hvj1, but you have inadvertently abbreviated perfectly, the dilemma of Indian Law enforcement -
S-W-O-T.... special weapons OR training.... 'AND' is inapplicable in our system....

[hvj1]

cottage cheese

[tingriman]

with you guys

Eitherway to give them their due Policing isnt all its made up to be its tough job - one has to put up with long hours , the political pressure and general pressure is immense and honest officers are shuttled around like musical chairs and harassed needlessly.

Yes ngrewal, this is very common thing not only in police department but also in other Public Sectors. Being honest is very very tough these days. Thank God, there still exist a group of people (however, a small percentage, I shall admit) who still think and act in right ways irrespective of difficulties and harrassment they face. Any department is mere reflection of our society, as we the member of society are the one which makes any department. I may not be wrong if I go to the extent of saying that the entire society or all the common masses need to change their outlook and thinking, but how easy and practical it is, you know well! Someone, somewhere has to make an effort, and start a new era.

regards,
tingriman

[professor]

mmmm tingriman....it seems to be very diffcult but not impossible....I agree...someone , somewhere has to make effort & start...

[cottage cheese]

Well the mentality is passe.

When the babus and silly twits in charge are so shallow in their thinking what would one expect.

Till 26/11 the standard establishment cure for everything was to procure more 'Sophisticated' AK47s... now since 26/11 this has changed to the 'ultra-modern state of art' MP5s and Glocks... I see this nonsense continuing for the next decade or so...or until the realize that MP5s are suited mostly for security and very CQB...utterly useless in COIN or any punch up over a few hundred yards.

The link below shows how supremely shallow and amateurish administrations can be...

http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=16..061209.dec09

[hvj1]

Cottage Cheese,
Democracy in India redefined...A Government of DUFFERS, by the DUFFERS for the aam DUFFERS.
BR