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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by dobhal87 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:38 pm

these bloody chicken headed ANTIs dont think that an armed man with a license will use his weapon with intelligence as he knows that the government has every minor details about him ....if im a drug dealer or any mafia carrying a weapon ....sry...if im a criminal there will not be A WEAPON but WEAPONS....do you think i will apply for a license !! why would i ??

TOI reports were about illegal weaponry supplies !!

@ Vicky ...

right !! we didnt got our freedom by weapons ....but addressing it NON-VIOLENT will not be appropriate... GANDHI JI was PRETTY violent too...!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

case 1 : Bagat Singh asks British to leave our country or he will kill them !! {active violence}
case 2 : Gandhi ji asks British to leave our country or he will KILL HIMSELF [by fasting ofcourse]....isnt that violence ROTFL

for more ...ref. Russel peters "red, brown and white" show
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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by tirths » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:49 pm

dobhal87 wrote:these bloody chicken headed ANTIs dont think that an armed man with a license will use his weapon with intelligence as he knows that the government has every minor details about him ....if im a drug dealer or any mafia carrying a weapon ....sry...if im a criminal there will not be A WEAPON but WEAPONS....do you think i will apply for a license !! why would i ??

TOI reports were about illegal weaponry supplies !!

@ Vicky ...

right !! we didnt got our freedom by weapons ....but addressing it NON-VIOLENT will not be appropriate... GANDHI JI was PRETTY violent too...!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

case 1 : Bagat Singh asks British to leave our country or he will kill them !! {active violence}
case 2 : Gandhi ji asks British to leave our country or he will KILL HIMSELF [by fasting ofcourse]....isnt that violence ROTFL

for more ...ref. Russel peters "red, brown and white" show
Many of us having driving license too. Are we all responsible owner?

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Post by kanwar76 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:52 pm

tirths wrote:Many of us having driving license too. Are we all responsible owner?
I think you meant Driver.

Don't know about you but I am a responsible driver. BTW what made you bring this analogy here?

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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by Amit357 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Guys the Pro gun and the Anti - Gun lobby are like the Poles {North & South} they can never meet,in our great nation the kicker is that a guy who wants to legally own a firearm, first must give his family history to the licencing guys then spend a cpl of Lacs trying to arrange 1 for himself.The local boys buy a KATTA from UP or Bihar do the needful and dump the Katta in a river,there is no record,no one can trace it and they are gone.I was reading the other day in IFGs,A Walther Pistol for sale Guy wants 8.00 Lacs for the same,boss thats serious money and atleast if i have one i wont try any funny stuff with it,{if its lying in a Malkhana as case property for a cpl of years its finished and so am i},if i use it for self protection then atleast wont regret it cause that the purpose.
As per m24 writeup 174 incidents have taken place with firearms this year,how many off them resulted in death thats 1, how do we compare this to any other mishaps,since today morning about 1200 ppl have died in road accidents through out India,has the govt done anything about it.no do they care NO,A CMs convey has 50 odd vehicle,thats y they dont care,thats the problem with this country
IN my humble opinion the education of firearms is the need of the hour.I own a Petrol Pump and have 1 more on lease for the past 6yrs.I have never let off a shot in anger,the firearms are for my safety and thats all. :evil: If some1 tries being tough or funny any one can walk away from there,but if it comes to the safety of ones ownself or family than blow the guy to kingdom to come everybody will stear clear of u :cheers:

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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by lionheartguru » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:50 am

:agree: @amit and dobhal
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Post by goodboy_mentor » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:37 am

Many of us having driving license too. Are we all responsible owner?
Of course I am a responsible owner as well as a responsible driver. The driving license is issued only after the licensing authority is fully satisfied as per the law. Denying a vehicle ownership or a driving license on the assumption that it will be misused cannot be a valid reason. If one is not a responsible owner, then there are adequate provisions in the law to make the guilty accountable before the law.

Similarly a firearm license is issued only after the licensing authority is fully satisfied as per the law. Similarly denying gun ownership or a firearm license on the assumption that it will be misused cannot be a valid reason. If one is not a responsible firearm owner, then there are adequate provisions in the law to make the guilty accountable before the law.

Vehicles of every type are being used by criminals/terrorists etc. in every possible way to facilitate their crimes from transporting men and material including weapons/explosives, carrying away kidnapped people, running away from crime scene, creating car/motorcycle/bicycle bombs etc. If the sale of vehicles is controlled/banned like firearms, just imagine how difficult it will become for criminals/terrorists to commit a crime and then escape?

Denying ownership of some product on the assumption that it will be misused cannot become a reason to deny ownership of that product. The day this starts happening in India, it will mean our country is drifting away from being a democracy. Do you know, when Saddam Hussein took over as a dictator of Iraq, he banned the ownership of typewriter? The reason: threat to "peace & security". Would you like your personal computer to be banned on the assumption that it can be a threat to "peace & security"?

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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by kdbanan » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:16 am

Guys....If something bad ever comes on your family as the "pro-gun" guys keep warning you about....just remember one thing...U WILL NEVER EVER GET A SECOND CHANCE!!!
And I am pretty sure "Gandhigiri" will be of no help at all!!
And after everything you will just be left with repent... as MR Sebastian D’Souza(a news photographer who witnessed the Mumbai CST massacre) openly said "I ONLY WISH I HAD GUN RATHER THAN A CAMERA"

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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by goodboy_mentor » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:22 pm

:agree:

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Post by dobhal87 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:56 pm

im sure ...ANTIz will be afraid of Engineers too... i have a friend [chemical engineer ] whos hand got burned in the laboratory just because of his careless partner... these incidents can happen but the primary safety resides in the head not in the machine...

i saw a video training on Kalashnikov ...the trainer said there are three safety levels

1. your mind
2. your finger
3. mechanical safety of gun

same is with vehicles or any other equipment... if im committed i can kill a man bare handed ...do i need a license ??

im happy these ANTIz didnt objected the training of martial Arts in our country...because that makes u a weapon !!

HOLY SHOOT :stupid: may be they will ...now !! i have given them a point ...

and on the DRIVING thng ...i just have to say one thing ....god bless those bureaucrats who didnt made getting Driving License as hard as getting an Arms License....do this for one decade and im sure there will be 90% less accident counts...

with the current licensing process we have more responsible gun owners and we want to increase that count.... those who cant understand it go through this forum again from the start ...

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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by lionheartguru » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:35 pm

@dobhal

can you pour water in a up-side-down glass? NO !
likewise its no use in discussing any issue about this ANTI's in IFG. We are PRO's and we are proud of it ... right?
******************************************* i rather knock-out the person who dares slap's me. ( me was a boxer actually :D )

and yaa man they should even try bannin planes , coz plane was the object due to which WTC (twin towers) went down !!!
i say yaar we should not post only anything in this topic , its diverting us , ain't it?

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Post by dobhal87 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:12 pm

ya its diverting us ...but these antis are heating up my nerves....

wt does driving has to do with shooting ?? and if it does have something....then even cooking should be licensed [it includes potentially lethal equipment too].

and THIS is ANTI RKBA NEWS forum ...so i hope we will be getting more stuff here from antis to boost up our morale !!
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Re: Anti-RKBA news

Post by lionheartguru » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:09 pm

@moderator

i will try to be a bit more sophisticated in my words next time

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Post by tirths » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:28 pm

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... suse-zj-04
Pakistan’s gun culture and the worsening security situation are feeding off each other in a disturbing manner. Both have their roots in earlier governments’ misguided policies.

The state’s errors of omission and commission during the 1980s contributed significantly to the country’s now being awash in countless illegal arms. More recently, the state’s failure to protect the lives and property of its citizens has had the effect of promoting the ownership of arms. Citizens now face all manner of threats from terrorist attacks to other criminal activity; many ensure they have weapons for their own protection. Meanwhile, the country’s security apparatus is under direct attack by militant and terrorist groups and is consequently less circumspect while pulling the trigger.

The danger is reflected in two cases where guns were grossly misused. On Nov 25 in Peshawar, personnel riding an FC vehicle loosed off what a spokesperson called ‘speculative fire’ on a private car. Presuming he was under attack, the car’s driver accelerated. The FC personnel then opened fire, later maintaining that they aimed for the tyres. In fact the bullets hit the car’s driver and his seven-year-old niece, whose injuries were so severe that one of her legs had to be amputated with doctors struggling to save the other. The FC spokesman stated that though maximum restraint was exercised, in the current war-like situation such incidents could occur. Meanwhile, in Lahore, aerial firing during a wedding left two young men dead, while an elderly man was shot dead under similar circumstances at another wedding.

These cases represent the extremes of gun misuse. There is a need to counter the gun culture by reducing the number of arms available; but this must be accompanied by security for the citizens and extreme caution on the part of the law-enforcement agencies.

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Post by kanwar76 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:19 pm

tirths wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... suse-zj-04
Pakistan’s gun culture and the worsening security situation are feeding off each other in a disturbing manner. Both have their roots in earlier governments’ misguided policies.

The state’s errors of omission and commission during the 1980s contributed significantly to the country’s now being awash in countless illegal arms. More recently, the state’s failure to protect the lives and property of its citizens has had the effect of promoting the ownership of arms. Citizens now face all manner of threats from terrorist attacks to other criminal activity; many ensure they have weapons for their own protection. Meanwhile, the country’s security apparatus is under direct attack by militant and terrorist groups and is consequently less circumspect while pulling the trigger.

The danger is reflected in two cases where guns were grossly misused. On Nov 25 in Peshawar, personnel riding an FC vehicle loosed off what a spokesperson called ‘speculative fire’ on a private car. Presuming he was under attack, the car’s driver accelerated. The FC personnel then opened fire, later maintaining that they aimed for the tyres. In fact the bullets hit the car’s driver and his seven-year-old niece, whose injuries were so severe that one of her legs had to be amputated with doctors struggling to save the other. The FC spokesman stated that though maximum restraint was exercised, in the current war-like situation such incidents could occur. Meanwhile, in Lahore, aerial firing during a wedding left two young men dead, while an elderly man was shot dead under similar circumstances at another wedding.

These cases represent the extremes of gun misuse. There is a need to counter the gun culture by reducing the number of arms available; but this must be accompanied by security for the citizens and extreme caution on the part of the law-enforcement agencies.
I am not able to understand the motive behind posting this article here. I am assuming this is in support of your earlier post (Responsible Drivers). BTW isn't there a law already to check celebratory fire? Isn't that a crime in INDIA?
There is a need to counter the gun culture by reducing the number of arms available
Can you pray tell me which arms you or The Dawn wants to reduce? I am sure from law abiding citizens, because I can bet my bottom dollar if criminals going to turn up with their arms when called.

I am surprise seeing this coming from a person who earns/supplement his living from guns. I hope they reject if and when you apply for a firearm license. I detest a man who wants to own guns while advocating banning for others. :evil:

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Post by ravi.sharma » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:51 pm

Hi Tirths,
Pakistan’s gun culture and the worsening security situation are feeding off each other in a disturbing manner. Both have their roots in earlier governments’ misguided policies.

The state’s errors of omission and commission during the 1980s contributed significantly to the country’s now being awash in countless illegal arms. More recently, the state’s failure to protect the lives and property of its citizens has had the effect of promoting the ownership of arms. Citizens now face all manner of threats from terrorist attacks to other criminal activity; many ensure they have weapons for their own protection. Meanwhile, the country’s security apparatus is under direct attack by militant and terrorist groups and is consequently less circumspect while pulling the trigger.

The danger is reflected in two cases where guns were grossly misused. On Nov 25 in Peshawar, personnel riding an FC vehicle loosed off what a spokesperson called ‘speculative fire’ on a private car. Presuming he was under attack, the car’s driver accelerated. The FC personnel then opened fire, later maintaining that they aimed for the tyres. In fact the bullets hit the car’s driver and his seven-year-old niece, whose injuries were so severe that one of her legs had to be amputated with doctors struggling to save the other. The FC spokesman stated that though maximum restraint was exercised, in the current war-like situation such incidents could occur. Meanwhile, in Lahore, aerial firing during a wedding left two young men dead, while an elderly man was shot dead under similar circumstances at another wedding.

These cases represent the extremes of gun misuse. There is a need to counter the gun culture by reducing the number of arms available; but this must be accompanied by security for the citizens and extreme caution on the part of the law-enforcement agencies.
I am also unable to understand, why you have posted this link here, the link clearly states that the problem is with the “ILLEGAL ARMS”.
Let me clarify, we are trying to fight for Lawful Gun Ownership and purely against the abundance of Illegal Arms present in the country, mainly due to BAN on Import of Fire Arms. It is the law abiding citizens suffering due to the current ARMS ACT. The Illegal owners don’t follow ARMS ACT nor do they rely on IOF made products, they have much better options.

The Stats of CAFI show, that India has 40 million Fire arms out of which 39.1 million are Illegal.

So what are you afraid of my friend? The country already has abundance of Fire Arms; the problem is that these are in wrong hands. Hence, we the pro guns are trying our best to implement RKBA to change the current equation, to enable the Right of protection, for our self, our Family and Property.

Would appreciate you valuable views.

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