IFG Members support for RKBA PIL

[Sujay]

P.S. Mods, did you think about the poll program recording the usernames?

Since you are asking repeatedly, one of two "NO"s is from me.

[goodboy_mentor]

Rottlord,

Sure, you or anybody can use any of my posts, none of the information is "mine" in any sense. It is all gathered from internet. I will consider myself lucky if any of the information in my posts is able to help the cause.

May I ask Sujay as well as the second person behind negative vote, if they do not mind, to share their logic/opinion behind the negative vote.

[ravi.sharma]

Hi Sam,

Why not invite influential pro-gunner's such as Mr.Naveen Jindal and the likes of him, who have and can make a big difference, On the forum to share his views on this topic,following are his contact details;

http://www.naveenjindal.com/contact-us.html

E-mail:([email protected])

Residence Number: (01744222223),his available only after 08.00pm.

Maybe we could even communicate via e-mails to the ministry of home affairs & congress party especially Mr.Rahul Gandhi aswell asking them as to why there is a ban on import of firearms at the same time citing the need to lift-off the ban by stating logical reasons like goodboy_mentor's post,following is the e-mail id and the website of the ministry of home affairs;

(http://www.mha.nic.in/home.asp)

(email: [email protected])

Ministry of Home Affairs, North Block
Central Secretariat
New Delhi - 110 001
Phone: 23092011, 23092161
Fax: 23093750, 23092763


SAM

Its great to see members comming up with their opinions and suggestions, Guys we need more members like Sam to contribute, share what so ever piece of information or thought process they have to make this cause a success.

For your post, its a great idea but we need to wait to call upon people like Mr. Naveen and Mr.Rahul Gandhi. Before we do that, we need to get to the base be ready with appropraite literature exact course of action etc, etc.. To give you a feedback some of the members are actively working on this and have a detialed (rough) literature ready. which shall be posted for everyone by the respective writer shortly. Meanwhile Sam, please keep on providing your views or actions you think should be taken to help this cause. It helps and motivates a lot.


Ravi.

-- Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:42 am --

Hi Sujay,

Since you are asking repeatedly, one of two "NO"s is from me.

Its a brave thing, to admit in the open forum that you have voted for "NO". I appreciate your guts and wished you had been on this side of the boat then the other.

Its an humble request, if you can even express your views. From the day i have joined this forum , i have always beleived that this place is for like minded people. Hence, if we have difference of opinion on the ownership of guns and the right to Self defence, no one can make it understand better then one of us.
Thus, your views and inputs shall carry a lot of weightage and will act as a valuable feedback for us.

Hope to see your post soon with details .


Ravi.

[Vikram]

I cannot speak for Sujay.But, my understanding is he is not being anti-gun ownership here. I believe he thinks that a PIL may not be the best course to take.Two different things.I will leave it to him to express his views.What's the point of everyone sitting around and saying ''yes''? We need healthy and well informed debate.

Please remember, OK to criticise the post's contents but not OK to attack the poster.

Best-
Vikram

[gunrunner]

Hi,
Taking things a step further,
I suggest each of us make a small contribution and place an advertisement in a national daily,appealing to all gun holders an gunlovers to join the campaign for a PIL.It will serve two purposes,
1)the authorities will take a note of the new development.
2)Other gun enthusiast's will be aware and informed of the movement for relaxing gun control.
The way we are going, its like a few of us croaking in the pond.
The public in general is not aware of the PIL or the intent behind one.
The moment people in general are infrmed about the PIL to be filed,we will surely have the swelling numbers that we are looking for(numbers will get us results in the courts)
Its my personal view that we may get a better response from the gun loving fraternity and also those who aspire be gun owners.

Oh Lord and God-Give us all a chance to sit beneath the bodhi tree.

GR

[ved]

Well the best way in my opinion would be to go step by step - as a first step I would suggest an article to be published in a leading daily giving the reasons why this decision ( of not allowing import of arms ) is irrational - for educating a conman man and to judge reactions in - public domain and possibly bureaucracy - as it really matters irrespective of what we think or say. Unfortunately the perception of a conman Indian on the issue is very skewed.

In the article we can articulate on points such as - If I can keep a .32 IOF then why not .32 CZ or some other brand. The prospects of higher govt earnings ( as people are paying exorbitant prices for the imported stuff and are therefore willing to pay much higher duties), and competition would force IOF to improve its products can also be highlighted.
and most important how linking the import - to possible increase in crime is totally irrational.

In first phase we should limit ourselves to only allowing import of arms which are equivalent to those ( .32, 30-06 etc) being manufactured by IOF.

[SURFACE TO AIR MISSILE]

This is to everyone at IFG, especially, Timmy, SAM, Abhijit and goodboy_mentor:

I shall be using bits, pieces or as a whole some of your posts as the documents to present to the lawyer, if you allow me, that is. Awaiting response.

P.S. Mods, did you think about the poll program recording the usernames?

No problem RottLord,go-ahead,I'll be more then glad if my posts could be of any use to you !


SAM

-- Mon Sep 21, 2009 16:24 --

Its great to see members comming up with their opinions and suggestions, Guys we need more members like Sam to contribute, share what so ever piece of information or thought process they have to make this cause a success.

Thanks Ravi !

For your post, its a great idea but we need to wait to call upon people like Mr. Naveen and Mr.Rahul Gandhi. Before we do that, we need to get to the base be ready with appropraite literature exact course of action etc, etc..

with you completely !

To give you a feedback some of the members are actively working on this and have a detialed (rough) literature ready. which shall be posted for everyone by the respective writer shortly.

Keep the good work going guy's for a remarkable cause !

Meanwhile Sam, please keep on providing your views or actions you think should be taken to help this cause. It helps and motivates a lot.

I try !

One thing I must say here,Ifgian's and especially Ravi you guy's rock doing a commendable job !


SAM

[ravi.sharma]

Hi Gunrunner & Ved,

The intention's are very clear, we will make the general public aware before we file a PIL and media will play a important role for that. Though i would like to mention that Media (of any sort) will spread the awarness very quickly but the media industry is always intrested to show some down as that benfits them more. Hence, before approaching the media we need to prepare the Petition obtain consent from members in IFG, so that we dont give the chance to show us as a bunch of fools with out proper homework. The damage the media can do to us if unprepared, will be more then the Anti's can even think of doing.

Hence, we need to concentrate on the following points as of now,

1) Introdcution to RKBA
2) Reasons for BAN on Import
3) Plans to revoke this BAN.
4) Details of crime comitted by Illegal weapons & Legal ones.
5) Number of Applications for ARMS Liecense that were rejected (if possible, with reasons, if any).
6) Details of Illegal weapons confiscated by police, manufactured in India.
7) Problem with IOF products, Technically & Commercially.

These are few points, which we need to act upon, to preapre petition. I would request the members to post their views and as Vikram has suggested to have a debate on these issues which shall help us in completing our paper works.

Gunrunner, VED & other memebers, please keep on posting your views, it makes a huge difference.

Sam: Thanks for the appreciation, I am just a front face as of now, the real contributors are really working hard behind the curtains.


Ravi.

[gunrunner]

Visited the Cop Shop on friday last week for a status check on my application for a .22 licence in sports category pending for last two years(Was rejected,requested a PH,which was accepted,dint get a chance to meet the DC it was his assistant who gave the quote).
They would approve of my application only if i shed 2L.
This is the state of affairs in our Beloved COP'S Shop"s.
To add insult to injury i am LM for MRA and also 12bore licence holder for more than 20yrs.

This happens only in INDIA.

High time we started we started stoking the fires beneath their chairs.

[Rottmeister]

COP'S Shop.
...toking the fires beneath their chairs.

When shall the shop start shelling licenses by kilos?

Poking with fire would be a better deal.

-- Tue Sep 22, 2009 20:23 --

Ok, jokes apart, gentlemen, we are looking forward to the case being taken up by the gentleman whom Lawman and I contacted. Next bulletin after the 30th of Sept. 2009.

[rcdoma]

They would approve of my application only if i shed 2L.

Sorry to hear that! Why don't you have the ACB straighten this guy out?

[amk]

Visited the Cop Shop on friday last week for a status check on my application for a .22 licence in sports category pending for last two years(Was rejected,requested a PH,which was accepted,dint get a chance to meet the DC it was his assistant who gave the quote).
They would approve of my application only if i shed 2L.
This is the state of affairs in our Beloved COP'S Shop"s.
To add insult to injury i am LM for MRA and also 12bore licence holder for more than 20yrs.

This happens only in INDIA.

High time we started we started stoking the fires beneath their chairs.

hehehe, an apt word you used to describe that particular section/office; "SHOP". Get in touch with via PM if you want to discuss further.

-- Wed Sep 23, 2009 13:39 --

They would approve of my application only if i shed 2L.

Sorry to hear that! Why don't you have the ACB straighten this guy out?

Don't ever make that mistake. The entire department will make the rest of your life a living hell.

[gunrunner]

Hi AMK,
I know it would be the greatest mistake i ever commited knowingly.
I just walked away a lot more dejected than i was before entering the copshop.
Funny place our INDIA.

Every police dept/station/office is a 24hrs shop,always at your beck and call(provided you pay them their price)

Long Live Our Police Dept.

[ravi.sharma]

Hi Gunrunner,

"COPSHOP" best term i have evr heard but dont you think we should name it "CHOP-SHOP" The moment you enter we wil "CHOP" you

Anyways, this is the verification happening at our (well said) COPSHOP. The verification not for your police / crime records but a verification of your bank balance. "You can get it, if you can afford it". Its more then Sorry State of Affairs.


Ravi.

[mundaire]

Mine would be the 3rd negative vote (for the PIL)... just mentioning as everyone seems to be rather curious about the negative voters. Why? Further to the reasons outlined in my last post, I am not yet convinced about how this entire thing will be handled.

Rest, conceptually I am as pro-RKBA (maybe more) than anyone else out here and would be more than happy to help (to whatever extent I can) any worthwhile effort which would further the cause.

Cheers!
Abhijeet