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I got robbed on Friday
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The more people I meet,the more i like my dog!
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I think in case of armed robbery it is ur presence of mind which can save u 4 years back in Sohana near Mohali 8 houses were looted and one person were killed and 20 injured . The dacaiots could have targeted other houses but for the quick reaction shown by one of the injured who was 76 years old exserviceman when armed men gave him rod blow yhat person whose son and dauther lay wounded just got his hands on sword and started waving dacaiots escaped in other incident there was knock at the door of a man in Zirakpur he sensibly went to top of his house and found his house surrounded by 20- 30 armed men he opened fire from his DBBL and killed one of them besides injuring others later on a HOLLAND made express rifle stolen from a army officer house who has gone aboard was found along with .38 bore revolver. weapons could not defend unless u have presence of mind. May be I may be wrong. cheers
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Hi Dsingh,
Can you please use some comma and full stop in your posts? I am not pointing on your grammar but I have tough time understanding your posts.
Just a friendly request.
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Can you please use some comma and full stop in your posts? I am not pointing on your grammar but I have tough time understanding your posts.
Just a friendly request.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
How about a couple of Jonah's Leopards 
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Hey evuryone,
I have a pair of Tibetan Mastiffs and a Himalayan Sheepdog(Gaddi Kutta). The Tibetan Mastiff is one of the oldest mastiff breeds. They are also mentioned by Marco Polo in his travels. He described them to be as tall as a donkey as loud as a lion. It is a big furry killing machine but are very gentle with family members. They were the guardians of women and children and love their company. It is true that a lot of dog breeds have evolved from them including the Boxer. They are quite playful, quick and intelligent. Training them is a problem because they are quite headstrong and naughty. They need to be told that are the pets not the owner. They loose all kind of mental reasoning while fighting invaders or other dogs. My TM once accidently bit my arm while fighting with my Sheepdog and I had to get my Sheepdog neutered to avoid such fights. They are very territorial, my maternal uncle had a TM that fought a leopard for quite sometime and the leopard retreated (limped away) when my uncle intervened with his shotgun of course. The dog sustained serious injuries but recovered. I think that the thick fur around his neck (mane) is what saved him and cost the leopard his leg. The native Tibetan people used to tie barbed wire around the dogs neck to keep predators away from attacking their livestock and families.
The Himalayan Sheepdog(Gaddi Kutta) or the Himalayan Mastiff is an off shoot of this breed and are stupidly aggressive, have temperamental problems and it is they who give TMs a bad name.
As far as Bully kutta is concerned, they are not even recognized by the Kennel Club. There are no breeds standards to them except a large head and bad temperament. They are not to be trusted around children as well. They are quite similar to the Gaddi Kutta in temperament but are a bit smaller in size. Will post pics of my dogs in sometime.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:48 --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Mastiff
Some more info.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:56 --
The Tibetan Mastiff is descended from the famous Tibetan dogs that were the source of the majority of Molossuses and Mastiffs throughout the world. The ancient Tibetan Mastiff may have been in existence as early as the stone or bronze age. Mollossian dogs accompanied Alexander the Great from Tibet to Europe, and during this period helped found many of today's other Mastiff breeds. Tibet later closed its doors to Westerners, so the breed developed for centuries in relative isolation. In the mid 1800's, a Tibetan Mastiff was given to Queen Victoria of England. Soon more dogs were imported to England and the British began to refine and standardize the breed. In the 1970's, foundation stock was imported from India, Ladakh, Afghanistan and Nepal to the United States. The Tibetan Mastiff is very rare in their native land, though some dogs are now being exported from Tibet. The breed is gaining popularity in England and the United States. The English have perfected the breed, which has virtually disappeared in the Orient. The Tibetan Mastiff is an excellent livestock guardian - willing to fight fiercely against predators and intruders and they are also outstanding guard dogs for the home. In Tibet, dogs were often tied up from two months of age to enhance aggressive tendencies. One dog was sometimes used to guard an entire village. As a result of these practices and Tibetan selection of function, English-bred dogs are much more trainable and controllable than those from Tibet. The American Tibetan Mastiff Association formed in 1974 serves as the breed's official registry and network in the United States.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:57 --
Description
The Tibetan Mastiff is a powerful dog with a sturdy bone structure. It is a very large dog with a broad, massive head and a heavy, dense, medium-length coat. The bear-like head is wedged-shaped with a wide, blunt muzzle. The upper lip usually covers the lower lip. The nose is large and generally black. The teeth form a scissors or level bite. The v-shaped, thick-leathered ears hang down. Mature dogs, particularly males, tend to have moderate dewlap. The body is slightly longer than tall and the legs are heavy-boned and powerful. Marco Polo described it as "tall as a donkey with a voice as powerful as that of a lion." The muzzle is lighter than that of the English Mastiff, with an extremely strong jaw. Rear dewclaws should be removed, but front dewclaw removal is optional. The coat forms a heavy ruff around the neck. The hair on the head is short. The plumed tail curls over the back in Spitz fashion. The Tibetan Mastiff is usually black, sometimes with gold or tan markings, though he may also come in chocolate, blue & tan, sable, gold, cream, or red, with or without tan markings. Some also have white markings.
Temperament
The Tibetan Mastiff is somewhat strong-willed and needs a firm, confident, consistent pack leader to avoid it from becoming too protective and territorial. Brave and fearless, even-tempered, calm and thoughtful. Dignified and very loyal to its own family. It is by and large loving with children, but can distrust and be reserved with strangers, if not properly socialized and if it lacks a strong pack leader. Has a desire to please its pack leaders. Patient and highly intelligent it was bred to take initiative. Tibetan Mastiffs should be supervised when introduced to other animals, but can do well if it is raised with them. If the owner wishes to add a second dog to the household, a mellow individual of the opposite sex, spayed or neutered, preferably of a non-dominant breed, is recommended. This breed, though highly-valued as a guard in his homeland, does not have a history of close association with people. The few individuals that remain in Tibet are not very well domesticated, and some are said to be ferocious and aggressive, unpredictable in their behavior, and very difficult to train, as they have been able to over power the humans. The dogs bred by the English are domesticated and are obedient and attached to their masters, so long as they have an owner who is able to display strong leadership skills. The Tibetan Mastiff must be thoroughly socialized and trained to become the fine family guard and companion he can be. It comes naturally to this Mastiff to guard its family and their property. This special dog has to be raised to adulthood in a careful well-balanced manner. Strong words and readiness to hit the dog will only cause it to ignore its handler even more. The objective in training this dog is to achieve a pack leader status. It is a natural instinct for a dog to have an order in their pack. When we humans live with dogs, we become their pack. The entire pack cooperates under a single leader. Lines are clearly defined and rules are set. Because a dog communicates his displeasure with growling and eventually biting, all other humans MUST be higher up in the order than the dog. The humans must be the ones making the decisions, not the dogs. That is the only way your relationship with your dog can be a complete success. Females usually only have one heat per year, most commonly between October and December. In most other breeds, two heats are the rule. It is easy to housebreak. The Tibetan Mastiff is an outstanding sheepdog and is ferocious against wolves or leopards that try to approach its flock. It is also an excellent guard of both entire villages and isolated houses. The Tibetan Mastiff comes to adulthood somewhat later than other breeds.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:59 --
This massive dog claims many descendents including the Newfoundland, the Great Pyrenees, the Dogue de Bordeaux, and the Great Dane among others. Originally bred to protect livestock from wolves, leopards, and other predators, the Tibetan Mastiff's fierceness and fearlessness is legendary.
Tibetan Mastiff males stand at least 26 inches at the shoulder and weigh around 100 pounds when full grown. Their coats are thick and weather-resistant. They may be black and tan, solid black, slate grey, or golden. Due to his size, the Tibetan Mastiff should have a large fenced property to run and play in. As a guardian, he will patrol his property and quickly sound the alarm when he detects something amiss. Since he is naturally a nocturnal guardian, leaving him outside at night may draw some complaints from the neighbours.
The Tibetan Mastiff evolved in an unforgiving climate. He had to adapt to the harshest environment and perform his guard duties often without human direction. As a result, he is an intelligent, independent, courageous, and aloof dog capable of making his own decisions and acting on them.
A perceptive animal who is naturally wary of strangers, the Tibetan Mastiff requires early and careful socialization to new people and situations. This temperament will not suit everyone. Boredom can result in destructive behaviour. He needs a strong, confident, and patient owner willing to train and socialize a large, strong dog with a stubborn streak!
Barking may be an issue with this breed. He barks to warn others that he is 'on the job' - particularly if left out at night.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 22:05 --
My dogs-
Laila.
Zalim.
Balto (Sheepdog)
The pics are 'bout an year old, I'm in Uk at the moment and only see them on the webcam from time to time but they have grown up beautifully.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
I have a pair of Tibetan Mastiffs and a Himalayan Sheepdog(Gaddi Kutta). The Tibetan Mastiff is one of the oldest mastiff breeds. They are also mentioned by Marco Polo in his travels. He described them to be as tall as a donkey as loud as a lion. It is a big furry killing machine but are very gentle with family members. They were the guardians of women and children and love their company. It is true that a lot of dog breeds have evolved from them including the Boxer. They are quite playful, quick and intelligent. Training them is a problem because they are quite headstrong and naughty. They need to be told that are the pets not the owner. They loose all kind of mental reasoning while fighting invaders or other dogs. My TM once accidently bit my arm while fighting with my Sheepdog and I had to get my Sheepdog neutered to avoid such fights. They are very territorial, my maternal uncle had a TM that fought a leopard for quite sometime and the leopard retreated (limped away) when my uncle intervened with his shotgun of course. The dog sustained serious injuries but recovered. I think that the thick fur around his neck (mane) is what saved him and cost the leopard his leg. The native Tibetan people used to tie barbed wire around the dogs neck to keep predators away from attacking their livestock and families.
The Himalayan Sheepdog(Gaddi Kutta) or the Himalayan Mastiff is an off shoot of this breed and are stupidly aggressive, have temperamental problems and it is they who give TMs a bad name.
As far as Bully kutta is concerned, they are not even recognized by the Kennel Club. There are no breeds standards to them except a large head and bad temperament. They are not to be trusted around children as well. They are quite similar to the Gaddi Kutta in temperament but are a bit smaller in size. Will post pics of my dogs in sometime.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:48 --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Mastiff
Some more info.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:56 --
The Tibetan Mastiff is descended from the famous Tibetan dogs that were the source of the majority of Molossuses and Mastiffs throughout the world. The ancient Tibetan Mastiff may have been in existence as early as the stone or bronze age. Mollossian dogs accompanied Alexander the Great from Tibet to Europe, and during this period helped found many of today's other Mastiff breeds. Tibet later closed its doors to Westerners, so the breed developed for centuries in relative isolation. In the mid 1800's, a Tibetan Mastiff was given to Queen Victoria of England. Soon more dogs were imported to England and the British began to refine and standardize the breed. In the 1970's, foundation stock was imported from India, Ladakh, Afghanistan and Nepal to the United States. The Tibetan Mastiff is very rare in their native land, though some dogs are now being exported from Tibet. The breed is gaining popularity in England and the United States. The English have perfected the breed, which has virtually disappeared in the Orient. The Tibetan Mastiff is an excellent livestock guardian - willing to fight fiercely against predators and intruders and they are also outstanding guard dogs for the home. In Tibet, dogs were often tied up from two months of age to enhance aggressive tendencies. One dog was sometimes used to guard an entire village. As a result of these practices and Tibetan selection of function, English-bred dogs are much more trainable and controllable than those from Tibet. The American Tibetan Mastiff Association formed in 1974 serves as the breed's official registry and network in the United States.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:57 --
Description
The Tibetan Mastiff is a powerful dog with a sturdy bone structure. It is a very large dog with a broad, massive head and a heavy, dense, medium-length coat. The bear-like head is wedged-shaped with a wide, blunt muzzle. The upper lip usually covers the lower lip. The nose is large and generally black. The teeth form a scissors or level bite. The v-shaped, thick-leathered ears hang down. Mature dogs, particularly males, tend to have moderate dewlap. The body is slightly longer than tall and the legs are heavy-boned and powerful. Marco Polo described it as "tall as a donkey with a voice as powerful as that of a lion." The muzzle is lighter than that of the English Mastiff, with an extremely strong jaw. Rear dewclaws should be removed, but front dewclaw removal is optional. The coat forms a heavy ruff around the neck. The hair on the head is short. The plumed tail curls over the back in Spitz fashion. The Tibetan Mastiff is usually black, sometimes with gold or tan markings, though he may also come in chocolate, blue & tan, sable, gold, cream, or red, with or without tan markings. Some also have white markings.
Temperament
The Tibetan Mastiff is somewhat strong-willed and needs a firm, confident, consistent pack leader to avoid it from becoming too protective and territorial. Brave and fearless, even-tempered, calm and thoughtful. Dignified and very loyal to its own family. It is by and large loving with children, but can distrust and be reserved with strangers, if not properly socialized and if it lacks a strong pack leader. Has a desire to please its pack leaders. Patient and highly intelligent it was bred to take initiative. Tibetan Mastiffs should be supervised when introduced to other animals, but can do well if it is raised with them. If the owner wishes to add a second dog to the household, a mellow individual of the opposite sex, spayed or neutered, preferably of a non-dominant breed, is recommended. This breed, though highly-valued as a guard in his homeland, does not have a history of close association with people. The few individuals that remain in Tibet are not very well domesticated, and some are said to be ferocious and aggressive, unpredictable in their behavior, and very difficult to train, as they have been able to over power the humans. The dogs bred by the English are domesticated and are obedient and attached to their masters, so long as they have an owner who is able to display strong leadership skills. The Tibetan Mastiff must be thoroughly socialized and trained to become the fine family guard and companion he can be. It comes naturally to this Mastiff to guard its family and their property. This special dog has to be raised to adulthood in a careful well-balanced manner. Strong words and readiness to hit the dog will only cause it to ignore its handler even more. The objective in training this dog is to achieve a pack leader status. It is a natural instinct for a dog to have an order in their pack. When we humans live with dogs, we become their pack. The entire pack cooperates under a single leader. Lines are clearly defined and rules are set. Because a dog communicates his displeasure with growling and eventually biting, all other humans MUST be higher up in the order than the dog. The humans must be the ones making the decisions, not the dogs. That is the only way your relationship with your dog can be a complete success. Females usually only have one heat per year, most commonly between October and December. In most other breeds, two heats are the rule. It is easy to housebreak. The Tibetan Mastiff is an outstanding sheepdog and is ferocious against wolves or leopards that try to approach its flock. It is also an excellent guard of both entire villages and isolated houses. The Tibetan Mastiff comes to adulthood somewhat later than other breeds.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 21:59 --
This massive dog claims many descendents including the Newfoundland, the Great Pyrenees, the Dogue de Bordeaux, and the Great Dane among others. Originally bred to protect livestock from wolves, leopards, and other predators, the Tibetan Mastiff's fierceness and fearlessness is legendary.
Tibetan Mastiff males stand at least 26 inches at the shoulder and weigh around 100 pounds when full grown. Their coats are thick and weather-resistant. They may be black and tan, solid black, slate grey, or golden. Due to his size, the Tibetan Mastiff should have a large fenced property to run and play in. As a guardian, he will patrol his property and quickly sound the alarm when he detects something amiss. Since he is naturally a nocturnal guardian, leaving him outside at night may draw some complaints from the neighbours.
The Tibetan Mastiff evolved in an unforgiving climate. He had to adapt to the harshest environment and perform his guard duties often without human direction. As a result, he is an intelligent, independent, courageous, and aloof dog capable of making his own decisions and acting on them.
A perceptive animal who is naturally wary of strangers, the Tibetan Mastiff requires early and careful socialization to new people and situations. This temperament will not suit everyone. Boredom can result in destructive behaviour. He needs a strong, confident, and patient owner willing to train and socialize a large, strong dog with a stubborn streak!
Barking may be an issue with this breed. He barks to warn others that he is 'on the job' - particularly if left out at night.
-- Wed Jul 29, 2009 22:05 --
My dogs-
Laila.
Zalim.
Balto (Sheepdog)
The pics are 'bout an year old, I'm in Uk at the moment and only see them on the webcam from time to time but they have grown up beautifully.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Beautiful dogs,R Dhillon. Thanks for the informative post and sharing the pics with us.
I have another friend in China whose dad has a Tibetan Mastiff which she says is a champion of sorts.I have seen a couple of pics of him,the canine in question, with a head dress
.LOL.
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Vikram
I have another friend in China whose dad has a Tibetan Mastiff which she says is a champion of sorts.I have seen a couple of pics of him,the canine in question, with a head dress
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
There are so many errors and overstated claims in the above post(by R Dhillon) that I wont bother to enumerate them.
as for the pictures of dogs posted , nice dogs, but they all of the Gaddi/bhotia sub variety and not Tibetan mastiffs.
And as for Gaddis being stupidly aggressive, they may appear so in the pathetic conditions they are kept in Punjab (chained all the time, rarely groomed,matted coats, poorly socialised) but in their native environment they are wonderful flock and property guardians and very intelligent, quick to distinguish between friend and foe and they always travel with their flocks without any restraints.The migration routes of the Gaddis that own them cross villages and even small towns and urban areas , nobody is going to tolerate stupidly aggressive dogs that attack one and all in such conditions
As for the KCI and their recognition of native breeds and knowledge about them, the less said the better it is
as for the pictures of dogs posted , nice dogs, but they all of the Gaddi/bhotia sub variety and not Tibetan mastiffs.
And as for Gaddis being stupidly aggressive, they may appear so in the pathetic conditions they are kept in Punjab (chained all the time, rarely groomed,matted coats, poorly socialised) but in their native environment they are wonderful flock and property guardians and very intelligent, quick to distinguish between friend and foe and they always travel with their flocks without any restraints.The migration routes of the Gaddis that own them cross villages and even small towns and urban areas , nobody is going to tolerate stupidly aggressive dogs that attack one and all in such conditions
As for the KCI and their recognition of native breeds and knowledge about them, the less said the better it is
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Dav
sad to hear that. now for some sound after the deed advice
if you been robed once you can be sure to be robed second time, so do your booby traps in the house, get hidden lockers etc(just let me know where you keep them )
there are two kinds of thugs, the casual, who take the opportunity to steal when they are presented.
second the professionals. who seek an opportunity to rob. no harm in installing a burglar alarm of the cheep type. failing that hire two nagas(not if you have a dog/cat)
and do not let the buggers ruin your day, keep a stiff upper lip and a baseball bat at hand.
take care
-- Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:31 --
sorry what day is it?
sad to hear that. now for some sound after the deed advice
if you been robed once you can be sure to be robed second time, so do your booby traps in the house, get hidden lockers etc(just let me know where you keep them )there are two kinds of thugs, the casual, who take the opportunity to steal when they are presented.
second the professionals. who seek an opportunity to rob. no harm in installing a burglar alarm of the cheep type. failing that hire two nagas(not if you have a dog/cat)
and do not let the buggers ruin your day, keep a stiff upper lip and a baseball bat at hand.
take care
-- Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:31 --
sorry what day is it?
Nagarifle
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Heh, what calendar are you on mate.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Tibetan Mastiff is now recognized breen and was introduced at the Westminster dog show
http://www.pajamadeen.com/tag/tibetan-mastiff
There were quite a few entries this year and one made it to the final round
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/20 ... stiff.html
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http://www.pajamadeen.com/tag/tibetan-mastiff
There were quite a few entries this year and one made it to the final round
http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/20 ... stiff.html
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Mr. Yaj,
I have grown up around these dogs and the TMs that you see in the pics are of a champion bloodline called Saras. Both Laila and Zalim have won CCs(champion certificates) thrice in all three KCI dog shows that I entered them in. Gaddi dogs DO NOT belong to Punjab but to Kinnaur and other parts of Himachal. Bhotia is a breed found in and on the borders of Bhutan. It is much larger and has a less fluffy but rather tightly curled tail than a TM and a longer muzzle. My maternal grandparents are from Kotgarh, its about 3 hours uphill from Shimla. I do not need to clarify any further claims. As far as someone from Bombay telling me about TMs...lol...May I ask why do you think that Laila and Zalim are not pure bred?
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
I have grown up around these dogs and the TMs that you see in the pics are of a champion bloodline called Saras. Both Laila and Zalim have won CCs(champion certificates) thrice in all three KCI dog shows that I entered them in. Gaddi dogs DO NOT belong to Punjab but to Kinnaur and other parts of Himachal. Bhotia is a breed found in and on the borders of Bhutan. It is much larger and has a less fluffy but rather tightly curled tail than a TM and a longer muzzle. My maternal grandparents are from Kotgarh, its about 3 hours uphill from Shimla. I do not need to clarify any further claims. As far as someone from Bombay telling me about TMs...lol...May I ask why do you think that Laila and Zalim are not pure bred?
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
I know all about the Saras bloodlines and frankly neither of them look like Mr Sekhon's type. If they are , good for you.He has some great dogs though of late he is using a lot of American bloodlines resulting in a lot of loose skin on the head and face( a result of many American bloodlines being contaminated with Mastin Espanol etc)R-Dhillon wrote:Mr. Yaj,
I have grown up around these dogs and the TMs that you see in the pics are of a champion bloodline called Saras. Both Laila and Zalim have won CCs(champion certificates) thrice in all three KCI dog shows that I entered them in.
CCs from KCI do not mean much. The same dog can be registered as a Himalayan sheepdog or as a TM. I know of cases where Bhotiyas have been registered as TM. Considering the low numbers of Indian breeds in the ring getting a CC is not a difficult proposition since dogs are rarely disqualified. I know of a dog which has CCs both as a Chippiparai and as a Combai, there is a pariah dog from Chennai which has CCs as a Combai so that is what a CC as an Indian breed is worth very often.
I am well aware that the Gaddis are from Himachal and get their name from the tribe that keeps them. The Kinnaur dogs are again a sub variety of the same and sometimes referred to as Kinnauri or Kinnaur sheepdog.R-Dhillon wrote: Gaddi dogs DO NOT belong to Punjab but to Kinnaur and other parts of Himachal.
The Gaddis are quite popular in Punjab but most specimens there which I have seen are poorly maintained, usually cow hocked and bad tempered due to being constantly chained.
The Bhotiyas have nothing to do with Bhutan. They get their name from the Bhotia tribesmen who keep these dogs. "Bhot" in Sanskrit refers to Tibet, these tribes were originally traders between Tibet and India before the borders were shutdown after the conflict between India and China. They are mainly in the state of Uttaranchal and that is where these dogs are found.I have travelled extensively in Uttaranchal tavelling more than 4000 km within the state to study these dogs.R-Dhillon wrote:Bhotia is a breed found in and on the borders of Bhutan. It is much larger and has a less fluffy but rather tightly curled tail than a TM and a longer muzzle. My maternal grandparents are from Kotgarh, its about 3 hours uphill from Shimla.
My being from Bombay is neither a qualification nor lack of it as is your being from Punjab. It is whether you have actually travelled to the the place these dogs originate from and see how they live in their native environment and study them that matters.R-Dhillon wrote:I do not need to clarify any further claims. As far as someone from Bombay telling me about TMs...lol...May I ask why do you think that Laila and Zalim are not pure bred?
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
As for your dogs, you can refer to Mr Sekhon's criteria for differentiating between Gaddis and TMs(though the gaddi pic he has put up is a poor one) since i do not want to do a critique of your dogs.
The Gaddis and Bhotiyas are Sub variants of the Tibetan mastiff having varying amounts of TM blood in them. Some look almost exactly like TMs while others are far from the type.
There are differences in head, bone mass, height, tail etc .
Any way I do not wish to you dwell on your dogs any further. I usually do not comment on peoples dogs on the net but you really got on your soap box there so I felt I had to respond.
I am sure you love your dogs and hold them in high regard and that is how it should be.
All the best to you and your dogs.
Regards,
Yaj.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Well, Mr. Yaj, if you are familiar with Mr. Sekhon's bloodline, then you must have surely heard of CH. Tango who is the sire to my female dog. They might not look ditto to Saras coz I get their coat trimmed after every 2 months due to the climate in Punjab. What I know is that my female TM was judged better that one of Mr.Sekhon's dog in Patiala. But I am planning to go to Stafford in Sept and book a male TM pup at the TM specific show in UK. I am well aware that Mr. Sekhon's bloodline is not very pure and even have traces of St. Bernard in 'em and that he has established a so called monopoly over TMs coz he doesnt sell high quality pups in India and does not provide his stud dogs for mating no matter how much you pay him. I am quite sure that if I import a pup from UK, it will definitely be better than most of his pack. I just got a bit offended because I am quite attached to my dogs.
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
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Re: I got robbed on Friday
Please choose your lines carefully since most of the western TM lines have other western mastiffs added for increasing bone mass,dumbing down temperament, and more "typey" heads.R-Dhillon wrote:Well, Mr. Yaj, if you are familiar with Mr. Sekhon's bloodline, then you must have surely heard of CH. Tango who is the sire to my female dog. They might not look ditto to Saras coz I get their coat trimmed after every 2 months due to the climate in Punjab. What I know is that my female TM was judged better that one of Mr.Sekhon's dog in Patiala. But I am planning to go to Stafford in Sept and book a male TM pup at the TM specific show in UK. I am well aware that Mr. Sekhon's bloodline is not very pure and even have traces of St. Bernard in 'em and that he has established a so called monopoly over TMs coz he doesnt sell high quality pups in India and does not provide his stud dogs for mating no matter how much you pay him. I am quite sure that if I import a pup from UK, it will definitely be better than most of his pack.
No probs mate. I am the same way about my dogs.No offense was meant.R-Dhillon wrote: I just got a bit offended because I am quite attached to my dogs.
Regards,
Yaj.
The more people I meet,the more i like my dog!