legal possibility for arms import?

andy_65_in · Post by **andy_65_in** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:39 am

The only way to do so wud be to bring out this aspect up through the media,national parliament and renowed shooters who have acess to government top brass

Bapu · Post by **Bapu** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:17 am

Lets take legal advice on this matter and file in a PIL if possible.

nagarifle · Post by **nagarifle** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:15 pm

its easy said then done. question number one

who are you going to take to court?

who is going to pay the court fees, layers fees? (lacs)

who is going to give the time to get the facts, acts, laws etc in order?

lets say if the case is not thrown out, and if it goes against us , how would that help the antis? if something is not for us then it bound to be against us.

but do not despair all in due time.

orieng · Post by **orieng** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:13 pm

Unless one tries how can we know. Failures are the pillars of success. Suppose GFI or IFG flies case in the courts I am sure something positive will come out even if we do not win. At least it will remind the government that the import ban needs revision.Court cases cost money to run which we all know. If all the prospective gun buyers pool 5 k each than we can finance the amount.

Olly · Post by **Olly** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:10 pm

In my opinion only a PIL can be thought of on the grounds that a legitimate arms license holder is permitted to purchase a firearm from either the IOF or the seconds sale market thru dealers. The person WILL ultimately have a firearm... so how does it matter if he buys one here or brings in one from abroad. Presently the government loses revenues as most sales happen privately and unregulated. Thus import can be allowed on payment of certain taxes....

my 2 pennies worth...

goodboy_mentor · Post by **goodboy_mentor** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:20 am

yes, I agree with idea of Olly, it seems logical. PIL can be given a try.

TenX · Post by **TenX** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:01 pm

Excellent perspective Olly

nagarifle · Post by **nagarifle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:27 pm

remember money talks and talks walk.

if the government is pointed out few facts like the cost of a 20 odd year handgun today in India which is zero in revenue and say 100% duty on an imported one would greatly increase the revenue. its always a good idea to point out things in very simply way to the politicos as somewhat lacking in Gray cell department. remember money talks.

remember to give a bone to chew on and he will be your best friend(no implication here to humans) just an old naga saying.

but first a little eduction is needed on the subject, no point going in without doing our home work. no point in going to court etc as much as one wants to. have to do the home work or else its a lost case. Remember every judgement that is passed against removal import of arms will be used against you.

Olly · Post by **Olly** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:09 pm

Today's TOI has a news item which airs the Supreme Court's views - "Arming common men will create a dangerous situation... unless legal powers are vested.." This is mentioned in context to the Naxals problem in Chhattisgarh.

I wonder what is the implication in the larger context of RKBA !

Timnorris · Post by **Timnorris** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:55 pm

Arms should be imported, the ban has no logic.........................and more importantly it should be available at a reasonable price...............why blame guns for voilence.........a kitchen knife can be used to commit a crime are they going to ban it

nagarifle · Post by **nagarifle** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:06 pm

Bon dia amigo olly

i always found that the government any government who wants to do away or change something, they knowing full well that there's going to be an opposition of mega scale. So they come up with a very cunning plan, yes they have a degree from university of Oxford in cunningness.

they will announce something along the lines of a nuclear plant is going to be in Delhi, mass horror is displayed by the people everywhere. talks and debates takes places. then the government caves in and say they will move it to Punjab. every one is happy. the People think that they have won. WRONG the government had the nuclear plant to be in Punjab in the first place, what they did was for the people to get used to an idea, when that was in place it went along with its plan. the people did not object to the nuclear plant but the location of it.

or they will say total ban on item A, but give in to the public pressure and say limited ban, every one is happy, wrong few years after it is enforced more and more until total ban takes place.

lets take the smoking ban it was not overnight but came in stages one step at a time, as the people got used to it then stage two and finely no smoking at all. thats the way things work.

same way things are happing in USA about right to keep and bear arms.

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:28 pm

What do you want?Imported firearms or firearms that are reasonably priced and work regardless of where they are made? Some of the foreign makers too do not have a stellar reputation for reliability and quality control.

I would rate the current lot of IOF .32 revolvers over a Erma or Arminius .32S&WL revolver.But then that is just me.

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:41 pm

I had posted this link earlier here http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 9&start=90

Since members do not feel the need to look up old threads before posting.I will post it again

http://delhicourts.nic.in/Mar08/ANIRUDH ... %20UOI.pdf

The import ban has been challenged,though in a different context.It did not succeed.

eternalme · Post by **eternalme** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:51 am

But this still doesn't make sense as to why the import is banned ?
Is there any reason given for the same ?

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:01 pm

We will file the PIL, either through GFI which is associated with IFG or through some other forums.

Every shooter who wishes to participate in shooting sports should be able to purchase the equipment - Part 1
Every Indian has the right to buy international quality firearms - Part II

Thye case mentioned by penpusher Singh Sidhu is not concerned with any amendment to the act but the judgement was within the act as expected. The PIL and the subsequent redressal will be a change in the law.

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