Bangalore CoP's say on firearm ownership for target shooting

[HydNawab]

I think that you should go to court.It might take time but I am quite sure you will get your inclusion through a court of law.

This reminds me of a story which my dad told me when my license was rejected without a valid reason.It goes like this.

When the British were leaving India, a person approached the viceroy and pleaded them to stay.

He said 'Sarkar aap log chale jaenge tou humara kya hoga?Kaun hamien poocheja?'(Your Lordship, if you leave us and go, what will happen to us?Who will listen to us?)

The viceroy replied, 'Dont worry, we are leaving behind two heirs of the British empire.Influence and bribery.I am sure you can manage.'

I am very glad that police officers in AP are enterprising and try to help out a person instead of asking them to get out of their office.

All the best with your applications.

[ebenezer]

As far as I know, Shankar Bidri is a tough man. No amount of pressure at this point will work, unless it is political in nature. Better to wait for him and that DCP to get posted somewhere and apply again.
Regards,
Ebenezer

[nagarifle]

on the other hand, why not make this a show case by going legal. i know it will be expensive but if we all give a little who knows. if no win situation, by then the cops will have moved on anyway and boys can reapply again.

end of the day at some stage a legal battle will have to be fought.

[HydNawab]

I agree with nagarifle

[ebenezer]

on the other hand, why not make this a show case by going legal. i know it will be expensive but if we all give a little who knows. if no win situation, by then the cops will have moved on anyway and boys can reapply again.

end of the day at some stage a legal battle will have to be fought.

What you say is correct Nagarifle. But once the matter goes to court, it will keep dragging on for years. In the meantime both might not be able to apply again as the matter would be sub-judice (under litigation). RTI is a good option.
Ebenezer

[andy_65_in]

I think its high time a forum/body like the proposed GFI or even the IFG fields the question of gunownership in the national parliament.The country has seen excellent gun and shikar days in the past, its indeed unfortunate that these days have totally vanished now.If the so called civil adminstration feels it right to reject licence applications of almost everyone who applies( as i gather here) then why have that stupid gun law of possesion of three arms by a citizen when you cant even permit one such arm to him(.i think applying for self defence should be the reason behind ones application and not sports as that might carry less weightage in the eyes of these pade likhe BAABOOS)

[nagarifle]

is there a system where a MP can present a petition on behalf of his constituent member in the parliament?

if so why not try that way.

at the end of the day legal battle will have to be fought.

[ebenezer]

is there a system where a MP can present a petition on behalf of his constituent member in the parliament?

if so why not try that way.

at the end of the day legal battle will have to be fought.

Just a letter in support of the applicants from the MP will do

[HydNawab]

Depends on the officer as well. I have heard of a few officers who despise any involvement of politicians in official procedure.

[dodger]

Inder and Pran

Its reality but why does one expect any different response for the first try, dont give up. Also wouldnt it be more prudent to apply for one license and then try other.

You should both try and pray ( what else) and hope to appeal to their sensibilities.

AFAIK once the application is rejected for an Individual it becomes very hard and rare that the next time it is sent for Approval but you both consult the Seniors here and try your luck this time.
May God of Guns bless you both.

Kshitij

[indian]

One more example of stupid Babudom this reminds me of an incident where even the clerks in DMs office show this kind of attitude.i and my brother went to our local DM office in august 2008 to procure a license application for my brother and the clerk was openly asking about our last names and families and even went to the point of saying that fresh licenses will be issued to well known persons only be it for SD or target shooting.

Wish you good luck next time.

cheers

[nagarifle]

so far what has been said is true and i would agree with. However Indian Citizens have certain rights under the Constitution obit however limited it may be.

in the arms act, we have to be clear about some points such as on what grounds does the act say one can have a firearms? and on what grounds does it say you can not have a firearms.

since the babus are there to enforce the law and not to make the law, we have lots of good points in our favor, however we lack the balls to do any thing about it. Due to inherited factor that its some big shot and we are the little shot, all it takes is one good man with some balls to make a vast difference
(sorry not me)

once we are able to define that then we can have a point to argue with as if any thing out side of that they will be enforcing illegal practices and that can be challenged in Court.

least we forget every refusal for granting of arms license must be in writing, stating on what grounds they are refusing to grant an arms license.

Also we must not be intimidated by some big shot of a cop, remember the bigger they are the harder they will hit the deck.

best part, after a 2 year period most babus etc are sent else where so one does not have to loose hope.

[Olly]

Well, if I recall correctly, there has been a Court ruling overturning an appeal by a rejected arms license applicant against the DCP (L). The Court ruling said that grant of licenses was the executive decision of the Commissioner of Police executed thru the DCP (L). The Court refused to intervene.....

[nagarifle]

hi olly

does it say the same in the arms act? what i want to know is where is the act/order which say such things. because unless we have such info we can not do anything in the courts.

what ever action taken has be based on such order/acts which gives a person right to refuse an arms license. i do not believe that the DCP etc do not have out right say on the matter, may be am being naive.

[nagarifle]

oh yes, one has a right to rappel the court judgment.