Mumbai under attack

[shooter]

arm the citizens and remove the retriction on the amount of ammo. have facilities for training. (i personally dont agree with compulsary millitary service- its a democracy).

here in uk, before ure given a license, ure asked questions about firearms handling and safety. do the same thing.

anyway, im sure the govt. isnt going to change its policies or attitude.
All i can do is pray for the people affected by this tragedy.

[MoA]

I find it amazing that it takes so long for our much vaunted NSG, SAG, Group 77, Marcos et al... not being able to effectively clear a hotel.

A combination of a lack of equipment, training and complacency.

Even the ATF chief wore a damn anti-riot jacket. What on earth was he thinking or not thinking?

Hats off to the folks who took on the terrorists with stones.

Gen. Hooda is saying about 10 Mag's per gym bag... wtf is he smoking. You can easily fit 50+ provided you have the strength to carry it.

This is a small laundry basket with 1000+ rounds of ammo in magazines I could fit a lot more.

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[eljefe]

I learnt of this at work yesterday from a Fijian colleague.Went through all the sentiments I am reading here-Anger, shock denial...
sat up glued to my PC most of the night, (dont have sat access to tv) and the thought running in my mind ,as a loop was-whats happening to my country-probably after reading your comments and watching the latest take online from ndtv etc, I am still in a state of denial.
Yaj, very true sentiments-what was aptly reflected -HARD BEDS AND SOFT BATTLES.
While the specialised agencies are usually a couple of hrs flying time away, its our roadside cop , who is better trained to take hafta (at what ever level) who has taken the brunt.The part about people pelting stones at armed terrorists-AWESOME.
MoA/Olly-an armed citizenry, here in India, with the mindset I've seen is more used to keeping its 32 WS in the Godrej cupboard at home, with its very precious supply of 25 rounds...OR, flash it at the disco or petrol bunk to get some faster service...And if you're taking on somebody armed with an MP/AK series, bloody 'ell, Thunder ranch, GUnsite and the others would be your proud sponsors.
Please God, let sanity prevail.
PS-look out for more restrictions in gun laws, and parochialism too.

[garyhan]

My condolences on this national tragedy.

gary

[cottage cheese]

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PS-look out for more restrictions in gun laws, and parochialism too.

Oh...and yes... some bright spark in the system may also decide to impose a blanket ban on all inflatable boats.... and fishing trawlers.

[Fulcrum]

what a wonderful idea CC - no inflatable boats, no fishing trawlers and no backpacks either. You never know...so don't say this too loud. and our CG couldn't figure two small ships toodling into our waters, and dropping off the zodiacs, ammo, weapons and the people and sail away...only after the incident they get caught near Gujarat.

one of the tube channels also mentioned that there was warning intelligence with the govt.

[TenX]

Well... there is one bright part...
I was speaking to a minister yesterday night, in a party hosted by him for winning a medal in the Mavlankar. He is a sitting Rajya sabha member, and is all out for RKBA. I have invited him to join IFG, and he has obliged. Will send him the link and follow up
I have also invited an ex-excise commissioner, who is another broad minded personality, to join IFG...

[Risala]

I find it amazing that it takes so long for our much vaunted NSG, SAG, Group 77, Marcos et al... not being able to effectively clear a hotel.

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Both the Taj & the Oberoi,have more than 800 rooms each,searching,clearing and sanitizing each room takes a lot time especially when one doesn’t know in which room the terrorists are holed in.
The SAG & MARCOS have gone about their job clinically,without incurring any casualties them selves,speaks volumes about their effort and just proves that the police are not just geared up for such emergencies

A combination of a lack of equipment, training and complacency.

Gen. Hooda is saying about 10 Mag's per gym bag... wtf is he smoking. You can easily fit 50+ provided you have the strength to carry it.

This is a small laundry basket with 1000+ rounds of ammo in magazines I could fit a lot more.

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Absolute BS,I can tell you first hand that the Para SF’s,SAG,Marcos etc are the best equipped
and trained.Many Offrs from the Para SF’s & Marcos regularly train with the Rangers,SEALS,Spetsnaz etc

The regular authorised issue of ammo for ops used to be around 5 Mags,so if these guy's were carrying 10 mags each,with 30 rounds in one,they were heavily armed to inflict serious damage.

[snIPer]

For these kind of situations they need SWAT force kind of training and professional Snipers.
Our forces are trying to do a good job but unfortunately i feel that they lack first hand experience in handling such issues and too much of red tapism involved - like in the chennai incident where the cops were standing outside the college gate waiting for orders when ppl were getting mauled hardly 15 feet from them.

[dev]

For these kind of situations they need SWAT force kind of training and professional Snipers.
Our forces are trying to do a good job but unfortunately i feel that they lack first hand experience in handling such issues and too much of red tapism involved - like in the chennai incident where the cops were standing outside the college gate waiting for orders when ppl were getting mauled hardly 15 feet from them.

Sniper please reconsider what you are saying. The nsg is incredibly trained for hostage situations. I have seen these guys shoot and move. Your run of the mill SWAT team will look like a picnic compared to these guys.

Do you know how one gets deputed to the NSG? I suggest you read about them before making armchair warrior statements.

I also find it amazing that one can criticise the professionals who are facing bullets to insure that we safely tap away at our key boards asking inane questions.

The least we can do is salute the brave and highly committed men taking the bullets away from us.
Please feel free to add your thinking to what I have written.

Dev

P.S. Where do think the U.S. and European special forces train for counter insurgency?

[yash3_great]

I agree with Dev. This is not a usual operation where the NSG have to zero in on the terrorists and eliminate. The mission is two-fold. Not only do they have to overcome the terrorists, but also ensure that the guests come out safe. The operation, according to the personnel, will be a long drawn one because they are using the guests in the hotel as human shields. Lets imagine ourselves in the shoes of the men in black there and one of our loved ones on the other side, being used as a shield by the terrorists.

[snIPer]

No one is saying that they are doing a bad job
I infact said that they are doing a good job ....
and neither do i see any criticism in my post.

Those are my views on the situation.
My comments about training were for the local cops - that they have done good - and could have done Better with training (of all kinds) and not the other special branches dealing with this.

like you said - its easy to sit in ones armchair tank and fire away on the keyboard. - come to think of it - all future wars might be fought this way.


Latest Update - Hotel in Army custody - Good job done by the Army

[dev]

For these kind of situations they need SWAT force kind of training and professional Snipers.
Our forces are trying to do a good job but unfortunately i feel that they lack first hand experience in handling such issues and too much of red tapism involved - like in the chennai incident where the cops were standing outside the college gate waiting for orders when ppl were getting mauled hardly 15 feet from them.

Not picking a fight but you have clearly written:

"Our forces are trying to do a good job but unfortunately i feel that they lack first hand experience in handling such issues. "


So it kind of got to me.

Dev

[snIPer]

ah now I see. - not to worry. wasn't intended in the way you saw it. I hope that things are cleared up.

[warthog]

Its time that the govt stops being a nanny and let the citizen arm themselves.Remove draconian laws and have the fundamental right to keep and bear arms esp semi auto weapons for civilians just like USA.The damm terrorists would never have gotten so far if the public was armed.imagine if a foreign military invades our country and our mil is not enough.
our heroes are not the out of touch lawmakers(cough politicians) but our NSG.I salute you!