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Post by herb » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:34 pm

Hi guys,

As water fowl season is fast approaching I had to buy a duck gun as I don't want to drag my skeet & upland guns thru the marsh. Last year I used a pump (my first & last) but was not happy as I was not able to work the pump fast enough to get the second shot as I was used to double barrels. I purchased a browning silver stalker semi-auto with 26 inch barrel, 3 1/2 inch chamber and in Camo.

I had a few decisions to make -

1. Camo or black synthetic.
2. 26 inch or 28 inch barrel.

My analysis/thinking ....(could be wrong)

- Barrel length makes no difference to velocity of the shots as all the powder is burnt with in the first 18-20 inches, hence the ability to take long distance shot is not effected. It was different during the black powder and slow burning powder days as it needed atleast 30-34 inch barrel before all the powder is burnt.

- No difference to pattern as chokes are the deciding factor.

- Longer barrel provides a longer sighting plane and will help in pass shots. My thinking is when talking about sighting plane it is not just the barrel but the whole gun (mainly receiver + barrel) that we look along when we aim. The receiver/action of a semi auto/pump is atleast 4 inches longer than a break open o/u or sxs which means that the sighting plane of a 26 inch semi auto is equal than a 30 in o/u or SxS. The total length of the silver with a 26 inch barrel is 47 inches where as most o/u & sxs with a 28 inch barrel are only 45 inches.

- Longer barrel means heavier guns all other things being same, this help to keep the swing going in pass shots because of the momentum. The 3 1/2 chamber silver with 26 inch barrel is nearly equal in weight to a 30 inch double because of the longer receiver.

- The total length of the silver with 28 inch barrel is 49 inches which I think is a little too long when compared to my other shotguns with 28 inch barrel which are around 45 inches.

- With todays fast burning powder a very long barrel may actually decrease velocity because once all the powder is burned the tight wad in modern shotshells will cause friction in the barrel till it is out of the barrel and slow the shots as there is no more powder burning to maintain or increase velocity.

- Advantage of Camo for hunting is debatable (except for turkey) but it sure is an added protection against rust specially as my gun has always become wet in past during duck hunting. I would have purchased a black synthetic but the dealer only had the camo gun and I would have to wait atleast 6 months if I put in an order now. Advantage of camo may be debatable but I am sure it is not going to be a disadvantage other than the extra $200 cost.

I have already purchased my gun but any thoughts will help any one planning to buy a shotgun in the near future.

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With my skeet & upland gun. The overall length of the stalker is longer than the others in spite of a 2 inch shorter barrel.
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Post by TenX » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:09 pm

Nice baby you got there....
I am unsure about "- With todays fast burning powder a very long barrel may actually decrease velocity because once all the powder is burned the tight wad in modern shotshells will cause friction in the barrel till it is out of the barrel and slow the shots as there is no more powder burning to maintain or increase velocity. "
One logic is that a pressure is built up within the chamber when the shot is fired. This pressure will have to exit thru the front of the barrel, and the tight wad should be out before you say " "... but then again, longer barrels are known to reduce velocity but improve accuracy :)
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Re: New Shotgun

Post by herb » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:30 pm

You have a valid point TenX, that is the reason why I said very long barrels. There will be a sweet spot where the pressure is spent and velocity starts decreasing, where the sweet spot is depends on the chamber pressure generated by the cartridge being fired, it could be 28 inch ,32 inch or over 36 inch ? I don't know and have not come across any information on this.
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Re: New Shotgun

Post by The Doc » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:58 pm

Beautiful camo.

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by Mack The Knife » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:07 pm

Hi Herb,

I am not a camo fan but have a fun season and do put up a post or two as it goes along.

That's a very graceful looking SxS you have there.

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Post by striker » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:50 pm

Very lucky chap :-)

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by indian » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:52 pm

lovely gun herb :) i too use a browning...a pump.enjoy your duck season :)

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by herb » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:54 pm

Mack The Knife , I too love this SxS, its a nice handling gun. A few more photos of the SxS.

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by indian » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:17 am

thats a beautiful SXS.which make is it.

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by herb » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:29 am

Its a Brno.

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Re: New Shotgun

Post by penpusher » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:45 am

Mack The Knife too has a Brno SXS.He did not recognize this one as it does not have gold plated triggers :mrgreen:

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Post by TenX » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:21 am

... or maybe he did... :)
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Re: New Shotgun

Post by Mack The Knife » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:56 am

Thanks Herb. What model is the Brno? Mine's a ZP49.

Was the rubber recoil pad an after-market fitment?
penpusher";p="53235 wrote:He did not recognize this one as it does not have gold plated triggers :mrgreen:
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Post by TenX » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:51 am

Looks like a Brno CZ 12 ...
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Post by badshah0522 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:50 am

Congrats!!!
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