What air-rifles and air-pistols do you have or have had?
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Hello! This is my first post here; nice to meet you I am writing from Europe.
Air rifles:
Gamo 2100 Expo (.177 cal.)
Diana 25 (.177 cal.)
Diana 25D (.177 cal.)
Winchester 425 (.22 cal.)
Diana 27 (.22 cal. w/spare .177 cal. barrel)
Diana 35 (.177 cal.)
Diana 60 (.177 cal.)
Feinwerkbau/Beeman 124 Deluxe Sporter (.177 cal.)
Feinwerkbau 127 Deluxe Sporter (.22 cal.)
Walther LG 55M Tyrolean stock (.177 cal.)
Air Pistols:
Walther LP53 (.177 cal.)
Manufacture des Armes St. Etienne (.177 cal.)
I also have on order a Swedish-made FX Revolution (PCP semi-auto) in .22 cal., due for collection next month.
Cheers for a nice site,
Nikos
Air rifles:
Gamo 2100 Expo (.177 cal.)
Diana 25 (.177 cal.)
Diana 25D (.177 cal.)
Winchester 425 (.22 cal.)
Diana 27 (.22 cal. w/spare .177 cal. barrel)
Diana 35 (.177 cal.)
Diana 60 (.177 cal.)
Feinwerkbau/Beeman 124 Deluxe Sporter (.177 cal.)
Feinwerkbau 127 Deluxe Sporter (.22 cal.)
Walther LG 55M Tyrolean stock (.177 cal.)
Air Pistols:
Walther LP53 (.177 cal.)
Manufacture des Armes St. Etienne (.177 cal.)
I also have on order a Swedish-made FX Revolution (PCP semi-auto) in .22 cal., due for collection next month.
Cheers for a nice site,
Nikos
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What air guns have I had ?
In no particular order :
A Milbro BB air pistol ( the 1911A1 lookalike thing.)
2 Crossman 1322s - an early version and a late one.
BSA Mercury .22 Break barrel
Haenel .22 Sidelever
Relum .22 Underlever
Crossman `Power something` .177 pneumatic
Weihruch HW 35
BSA Meteor .22
A Chinese break barrel ( bendy barrel ! ) .22
- And probably a load more - I`ll have to think.
In no particular order :
A Milbro BB air pistol ( the 1911A1 lookalike thing.)
2 Crossman 1322s - an early version and a late one.
BSA Mercury .22 Break barrel
Haenel .22 Sidelever
Relum .22 Underlever
Crossman `Power something` .177 pneumatic
Weihruch HW 35
BSA Meteor .22
A Chinese break barrel ( bendy barrel ! ) .22
- And probably a load more - I`ll have to think.
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I`ve no idea what the model number was Dodger - too long ago. Nice rifle but not particularly powerful.
Yeah, sorry about the crappy list.......I was young - and broke ! You have to admit that the Mercury was OK though. The rest of them were almost all completely rubbish. I bought the Chinky air rifle for my boys when they were young uns.......The barrel bent the first time it was used ! Still have the thing hiding ( in shame ) at the back of the safe. The Weihruch is a beauty......bought second hand for a fiver I think. Smashing barrel bluing - black paint ! Painted with a brush for an extra lustrous finish. Sights are AWOL as well. I was going to `do it up` but never got around to doing so. That`s still lurking about at the back of the cupboard as well. Anyone want an HW 35 for spares - or to resurrect ?
The Relum was spectacular - great big thing with a horrible Beech ( probably ) stock. So powerful that when I came to give a Collared Dove the coup de grace the pellet bounced off the birds skull - at point blank range !
The Crossman .177 was advertised as the most powerful .177 available. Certainly built up my muscles pumping it up. Lovely plastic `woodwork`. That`s how I discovered that a .177 is rubbish compared to a .22 for hunting........All that effort for very little it seemed to me.
The Milbro pistol - it was actually called a Diana back then - was the first gun I ever had - for Christmas when I was about eleven......maybe twelve. I made a ball out of some bread, inserted it into the 2" smoothbore barrel and shot my sister across the table in the stomach. Couldn`t understand why she cried......until the little blue bruise came up !
Yeah, sorry about the crappy list.......I was young - and broke ! You have to admit that the Mercury was OK though. The rest of them were almost all completely rubbish. I bought the Chinky air rifle for my boys when they were young uns.......The barrel bent the first time it was used ! Still have the thing hiding ( in shame ) at the back of the safe. The Weihruch is a beauty......bought second hand for a fiver I think. Smashing barrel bluing - black paint ! Painted with a brush for an extra lustrous finish. Sights are AWOL as well. I was going to `do it up` but never got around to doing so. That`s still lurking about at the back of the cupboard as well. Anyone want an HW 35 for spares - or to resurrect ?
The Relum was spectacular - great big thing with a horrible Beech ( probably ) stock. So powerful that when I came to give a Collared Dove the coup de grace the pellet bounced off the birds skull - at point blank range !
The Crossman .177 was advertised as the most powerful .177 available. Certainly built up my muscles pumping it up. Lovely plastic `woodwork`. That`s how I discovered that a .177 is rubbish compared to a .22 for hunting........All that effort for very little it seemed to me.
The Milbro pistol - it was actually called a Diana back then - was the first gun I ever had - for Christmas when I was about eleven......maybe twelve. I made a ball out of some bread, inserted it into the 2" smoothbore barrel and shot my sister across the table in the stomach. Couldn`t understand why she cried......until the little blue bruise came up !
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Nikos from Crete?
Your name is very pleasing - the name of one of the greatest modern writers - Nikos Kazantzakis, a great son of Crete. And you live in one of the most enthusiastic gun owning parts of the world.
Welcome here Nikos and do post often. I have visited your island a long time ago and saw that many people had access to guns that people in other parts of Greece could only see in the movies. I am sure you have a Mat 49 or similar as well - can;t believe that a Cretan gun enthusiast has only air rifles. Do tell us more about your guns.
And welcome again. Anyone who likes guns and shooting is a friend to us.
Mehul
Your name is very pleasing - the name of one of the greatest modern writers - Nikos Kazantzakis, a great son of Crete. And you live in one of the most enthusiastic gun owning parts of the world.
Welcome here Nikos and do post often. I have visited your island a long time ago and saw that many people had access to guns that people in other parts of Greece could only see in the movies. I am sure you have a Mat 49 or similar as well - can;t believe that a Cretan gun enthusiast has only air rifles. Do tell us more about your guns.
And welcome again. Anyone who likes guns and shooting is a friend to us.
Mehul
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Nikos from France judging by the flag.
I don`t know about the French pistol but the Walther LP53 is a lovely thing - looks great and beautifully made.....getting horribly expensive nowadays though.
I don`t know about the French pistol but the Walther LP53 is a lovely thing - looks great and beautifully made.....getting horribly expensive nowadays though.
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Hi Grumpy,
Considering you said that it was low powered and had a side-lever, your Haenel was probably a LG312.
The Mercury had four variants if I recall correctly. I have nevr seen one but it was always highly regarded by those who did own one.
Paint on a Weihrauch! Did you buy this second hand? These are very highly regarded - more so than the Mercury. There is one in the gun cabinet awaiting spares and a general service. Not mine though. You should consider doing yours up or having it done up.
Mack The Knife
Considering you said that it was low powered and had a side-lever, your Haenel was probably a LG312.
The Mercury had four variants if I recall correctly. I have nevr seen one but it was always highly regarded by those who did own one.
Paint on a Weihrauch! Did you buy this second hand? These are very highly regarded - more so than the Mercury. There is one in the gun cabinet awaiting spares and a general service. Not mine though. You should consider doing yours up or having it done up.
Mack The Knife
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The Haenel weasn`t particularly low-powered but didn`t make 12 ft lbs that`s for certain.
Was the Weihruch second-hand ? When it cost £5, had missing sights and a black painted barrel I should say so ! I`ll never get around to restoring the thing ( just not interested ) so if anyone wants it they can have it - please take it away.....I`ll even throw in the Chinese bendy barrel .22 !
The Mercury was the first type, bought in 1973.
I`ve remembered another air rifle that I had: A Sheriden Blue Streak .20. Another pump-up but a lot better than the Crosman.
Was the Weihruch second-hand ? When it cost £5, had missing sights and a black painted barrel I should say so ! I`ll never get around to restoring the thing ( just not interested ) so if anyone wants it they can have it - please take it away.....I`ll even throw in the Chinese bendy barrel .22 !
The Mercury was the first type, bought in 1973.
I`ve remembered another air rifle that I had: A Sheriden Blue Streak .20. Another pump-up but a lot better than the Crosman.
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That 35 would make a good project but how do I get it here?
Keep it for the moment, I may need a part or two when working on the 35 at home. Come to think of it, I could use the safety catch and safety catch spring and who knows what else.
Heard a lot of good things about the Sheridan pump-ups as well.
Mack The Knife
Keep it for the moment, I may need a part or two when working on the 35 at home. Come to think of it, I could use the safety catch and safety catch spring and who knows what else.
Heard a lot of good things about the Sheridan pump-ups as well.
Mack The Knife
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Sorry for the delay but the phones were down and so was the net!
OK.
Mack The Knife, I'm afraid I cannot take a pic of this French-made air pistol that is much older than me, at the moment as I am away from my home in Paris, and from France. I will be back in November and I shall post pics then.
In the meantime, I can say that this is the rarest post WWII air pistol I have ever seen in years.
It is an all-steel construction with black bakelite grips that gives it a Webley air pistol look overall, but it uses the trigger guard-come-cocking lever for compressing air inside the chamber located at the top with the barrel above it Webley-style. Rear and front sights are pretty high allowing the shooter to keep the pistol lower than usual.
It is inscribed “MANUFACTURE DES ARMES DE ST. ETIENNE Model 1950”-ish, I can’t recall the exact year, with a Seral Number below the inscription and a finely polished blueing that is almost 100%!
Its power is adjustable in countless levels from very-very low (my hand can almost catch a pellet!) to something like ~2 Joules max. I’ll have to CHRONY it to find out for sure. It suffices to say that the maximum power setting is enough for punching through an alu Coke can @ 10m, through-and-through but just.
At 33 feet all bullet holes touch…The power is adjusted from a large screw above the grips that increases or decreases the pressure of the breech seal against the .177 cal. barrel. The more pressure the breech seal has the more powerfully it shoots and the harder it gets at cocking. The low power is achieved by turning the screw anti-clockwise until the bbl bearly touches the breech seal.
This is great fun as I was trying to puncture a thin piece of paper @ 10m (33 feet) in LOW power and the pellet bounced off without going through! It recochets a lot, though, at low power, although accuracy remains the same at 10m as in the FULL power setting that tears through 10 pages of a Phone directory with H&N Final Match pistol (dark blue tin can) 7.0 grains pellets. Steel-core Prometheus and Dynamics create more penetration, but accuracy suffers. Also, RWS Meisterkugeln (yellow tin) 8.2 grains (the latess of mine weigh 8.3 grains) pellets shoot perfectly. Yet, the top pellet for this strange postol with its square barrel (not round), is the vintage GEVELOT 8.2 grains waisted pellets, of which I have just one full ~500-count tin (it’s a collector’s item, but I run a few through this French pistol in order to attest it’s potential, which is tip top).
As soon as I get to photograph it I shall let you know.
Mehul,
What is a Mat 49
The writer and poet Nikos Kazanzakis (of Zorba The Greek fame) came from Herakleio (Mid-East Crete), but I was born in Chania (Western Crete). In all honesty I am not acquainted with anything bigger than .22 Long Rifle! I prefer airguns and I shoot .22 rimfire competitively for a few years. I must be amongst the tiny minority of those owning a firarm legally but I prefer it that way.
Grumpy,
I am from Greece but I live in Paris for nearly 20 years. My Walther LP53 is a pre-1970 model with the curved receiver rather than the straigh back one, which makes it a desirable variation. It requires a lot of practice from a shooter to use accurately, but a few thou pellets later I am hitting Coke-size targets at 40 meters (offhand of course) with Geco 7.0 grains and H&N Final Match 7.56 grains pellets.
Cheers to all,
Nikos
OK.
Mack The Knife, I'm afraid I cannot take a pic of this French-made air pistol that is much older than me, at the moment as I am away from my home in Paris, and from France. I will be back in November and I shall post pics then.
In the meantime, I can say that this is the rarest post WWII air pistol I have ever seen in years.
It is an all-steel construction with black bakelite grips that gives it a Webley air pistol look overall, but it uses the trigger guard-come-cocking lever for compressing air inside the chamber located at the top with the barrel above it Webley-style. Rear and front sights are pretty high allowing the shooter to keep the pistol lower than usual.
It is inscribed “MANUFACTURE DES ARMES DE ST. ETIENNE Model 1950”-ish, I can’t recall the exact year, with a Seral Number below the inscription and a finely polished blueing that is almost 100%!
Its power is adjustable in countless levels from very-very low (my hand can almost catch a pellet!) to something like ~2 Joules max. I’ll have to CHRONY it to find out for sure. It suffices to say that the maximum power setting is enough for punching through an alu Coke can @ 10m, through-and-through but just.
At 33 feet all bullet holes touch…The power is adjusted from a large screw above the grips that increases or decreases the pressure of the breech seal against the .177 cal. barrel. The more pressure the breech seal has the more powerfully it shoots and the harder it gets at cocking. The low power is achieved by turning the screw anti-clockwise until the bbl bearly touches the breech seal.
This is great fun as I was trying to puncture a thin piece of paper @ 10m (33 feet) in LOW power and the pellet bounced off without going through! It recochets a lot, though, at low power, although accuracy remains the same at 10m as in the FULL power setting that tears through 10 pages of a Phone directory with H&N Final Match pistol (dark blue tin can) 7.0 grains pellets. Steel-core Prometheus and Dynamics create more penetration, but accuracy suffers. Also, RWS Meisterkugeln (yellow tin) 8.2 grains (the latess of mine weigh 8.3 grains) pellets shoot perfectly. Yet, the top pellet for this strange postol with its square barrel (not round), is the vintage GEVELOT 8.2 grains waisted pellets, of which I have just one full ~500-count tin (it’s a collector’s item, but I run a few through this French pistol in order to attest it’s potential, which is tip top).
As soon as I get to photograph it I shall let you know.
Mehul,
What is a Mat 49
The writer and poet Nikos Kazanzakis (of Zorba The Greek fame) came from Herakleio (Mid-East Crete), but I was born in Chania (Western Crete). In all honesty I am not acquainted with anything bigger than .22 Long Rifle! I prefer airguns and I shoot .22 rimfire competitively for a few years. I must be amongst the tiny minority of those owning a firarm legally but I prefer it that way.
Grumpy,
I am from Greece but I live in Paris for nearly 20 years. My Walther LP53 is a pre-1970 model with the curved receiver rather than the straigh back one, which makes it a desirable variation. It requires a lot of practice from a shooter to use accurately, but a few thou pellets later I am hitting Coke-size targets at 40 meters (offhand of course) with Geco 7.0 grains and H&N Final Match 7.56 grains pellets.
Cheers to all,
Nikos
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Hi Nikos-the non kazanzakis-one of my fav authors!
Th MAT 49 was a 9mm submachine gun , manufactured by-MAT.
It was issued to many French units, the legion etranger was immortalised for using it in their various battles in Indo china- including Dien Bien Phu.
Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para
Weight: 3.6 kg w/o magazine
Lenght (stock closed/open): 404 / 660 mm
Barrel lenght: 230 mm
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 and 32 rounds
Effective range: 100 meters
MAT-49 submachine gun was developed at the French state arms factory MAT (Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Tulle) in the late 1940s, and was adopted by the Armee de Terre (French Army) in 1949. First batches were made in 1950, and production of the MAT-49 continued at Tulle untill mid-1960s, when it was transferred to the MAS factory at the St.Etienne. Production was ceased about 1979, when French army oficially adopted the FAMAS assault rifle. For some 30 years the MAT-49 was widely used by French military annd police forces, and it was brought through the Indo-China and Algeria campaigns, and it still could be encountered in ex-French colonies in Africa and Indo-China. It should be noted that North Vietnamese once produced local copy of the MAT-49, chambered for 7.62mm TT round. MAT-49 is no longer used by French army, but still can be sometimes seen in the hands of the Police and Gendarmerie officers.
MAT-49 is a blowback operated, box magazine fed submachine gun. Most parts of the gun, including the receiver, pistol grip and a magazine veil, are stamped from the steel. Magazine veil can be folded forward and under the barrel when gun is not in use, to save space. Butt is made of steel wire and is retractable. MAT-49 is equipped with automated grip safety, located at the back of the pistol grip. Army issue MAT-49's can only fire in full auto, but some batches were made for Gendarmerie and Police with dual triggers, and those guns were capable of both full-auto and single shots. Police guns also sometimes were made with longer barrels and non-retractable wooden stocks. MAT-49 featured a charging handle at the left side of the receiver, which does not move when gun is fired. Rear sights are of flip-up type, "L"-shaped and marked for 50 and 100 meters distance.
In general, MAT-49 was a good weapon, quite reliable and simple, but relatively heavy.
Th MAT 49 was a 9mm submachine gun , manufactured by-MAT.
It was issued to many French units, the legion etranger was immortalised for using it in their various battles in Indo china- including Dien Bien Phu.
Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para
Weight: 3.6 kg w/o magazine
Lenght (stock closed/open): 404 / 660 mm
Barrel lenght: 230 mm
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 and 32 rounds
Effective range: 100 meters
MAT-49 submachine gun was developed at the French state arms factory MAT (Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Tulle) in the late 1940s, and was adopted by the Armee de Terre (French Army) in 1949. First batches were made in 1950, and production of the MAT-49 continued at Tulle untill mid-1960s, when it was transferred to the MAS factory at the St.Etienne. Production was ceased about 1979, when French army oficially adopted the FAMAS assault rifle. For some 30 years the MAT-49 was widely used by French military annd police forces, and it was brought through the Indo-China and Algeria campaigns, and it still could be encountered in ex-French colonies in Africa and Indo-China. It should be noted that North Vietnamese once produced local copy of the MAT-49, chambered for 7.62mm TT round. MAT-49 is no longer used by French army, but still can be sometimes seen in the hands of the Police and Gendarmerie officers.
MAT-49 is a blowback operated, box magazine fed submachine gun. Most parts of the gun, including the receiver, pistol grip and a magazine veil, are stamped from the steel. Magazine veil can be folded forward and under the barrel when gun is not in use, to save space. Butt is made of steel wire and is retractable. MAT-49 is equipped with automated grip safety, located at the back of the pistol grip. Army issue MAT-49's can only fire in full auto, but some batches were made for Gendarmerie and Police with dual triggers, and those guns were capable of both full-auto and single shots. Police guns also sometimes were made with longer barrels and non-retractable wooden stocks. MAT-49 featured a charging handle at the left side of the receiver, which does not move when gun is fired. Rear sights are of flip-up type, "L"-shaped and marked for 50 and 100 meters distance.
In general, MAT-49 was a good weapon, quite reliable and simple, but relatively heavy.
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Thanks for that, eljefe. I wonder if the MAT 49 flightingly featured in the film "The Day of The Jackal", as a few semi-autos were seen in various scenes.
I have only once (during my military Service) shot a Thomson in .45 ACP, but the bullets went to the adjacent postal ZIP Code I must have used a case, but aiming was happenschance.
I just can't figure what these "spray and pray" machineguns are for. They are so inaccurate that they may become a hazard to friendly forces.
Those who ever fired a full-auto machine gun you'll see what I mean. It certainly requires a lot of practice to master this type of firearm. Semi-autos are best.
Best wishes,
Nikos
I have only once (during my military Service) shot a Thomson in .45 ACP, but the bullets went to the adjacent postal ZIP Code I must have used a case, but aiming was happenschance.
I just can't figure what these "spray and pray" machineguns are for. They are so inaccurate that they may become a hazard to friendly forces.
Those who ever fired a full-auto machine gun you'll see what I mean. It certainly requires a lot of practice to master this type of firearm. Semi-autos are best.
Best wishes,
Nikos
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Now that you mention it....I think it featured in various scenes.I wonder if the MAT 49 flightingly featured in the film "The Day of The Jackal", as a few semi-autos were seen in various scenes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAT-49
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