Bomb blasts in Bangalore

[TenX]

And its Ahmedabad now!!!
Really pity those innocent people who are suffering.
B - Bangalore
A - Ahmedabad
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[Pran]

Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

[b.baracho]

well said guys! these SOB's should be sent to the gallows. A tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye.

[TenX]

A supposedly powerful bomb was found and defused in the Forum mall.
Sometimes, I woinder if all this is some sort of political gimmick, for Terrorists would usually create tragedy and not just a series of low power signals...

[mundaire]

Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

I think not! Both of these acts go against the very nature of a free society and have led to nothing but repeated infringements of civil liberties WITHOUT making any significant dent on terrorism.

While it may be an expected initial reaction for one to want immediate results in such cases, let us not forget that the process of law is meant NOT to punish the guilty (that can be achieved by much more primitive methods) BUT in stead it is meant to PROTECT the one innocent accused from becoming the target of a possible miscarriage of justice.

It is our very desire for immediate results which leads to the creation of extra judicial outfits like the "special branch" aka encounter specialists and institutionalised custodial torture etc. These sort of things are not reflective of a fair & civilised society.

[ebenezer]

Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

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Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

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I agree with Abhijeet on this point. No amount of punishment would deter these insane persons who are bent upon killing people. In fact, they consider it an honour to kill people and in the process if they get killed, they are branded 'martyrs'. POTA was used only to settle political and personal scores, particularly in states like Tamil Nadu.

Ebenezer

[penpusher]

Each and every law predisposes a honest and effective mechanism for it's enforcement.When this does not exist,any law/act/statute,no matter how good,is going to be totally in-effective.Agree with Abhijeet.

[Sakobav]

Its Ahmedabad next in this sad saga... issues arent resolved by enforcing draconian laws.

[nagarifle]

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Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

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Time to reintroduce POTA and TADA.

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i dis agree with the POTA or TADA rule. it gives the security force the power to do what they like and if they make a mistake they can not be brought to justice. thus i believe its a evil practice.

We in the North East have little experience of living under the P& T rule.

even with P & T in place it does not deter the criminals but it prosecutes the one who have nothing to do with criminals.

e.g if there is a shooting incident and some people are running away, the security forces shoot at the people who are running away. the security forces thinking is that if they are ruining away then they must be involved and thus guilty thus its a good ground to shoot them down.

the people who are running away are trying to get away from the shooting as they are innocent public cought in the middle.


least we forget that India today was borne out of non-violence and Gandhi Ji must be turning in his grave to see the government take such action.

however not at the expanse of the innocent being prosecuted and shoot on sight by a junior ranking member of the security force who have little or no understanding of human rights on one hand and given the power to shoot on sight without question asked on the other hand.

i am not against the criminals bing bought to justice and i believe in pro active mesueres.

P & T does not prevent bombings etc. it does not prevent innocent from being killed, it has not to date proven effective, but on the other hand gives the law keepers to become the judge and jury at times.

it is not the Placement of P & T that prevents acts of terrorism but the pro active measures and better police work and Intel gathering capacity.

[Pran]

I think not! Both of these acts go against the very nature of a free society and have led to nothing but repeated infringements of civil liberties WITHOUT making any significant dent on terrorism.

You have a point there Abhijeet. However, in the absence of speedy justice and prolongment in execution of sentences (talking about Afzal guru here) its good to give more teeth to the law enforcement agencies. I do believe that meting out harsh sentences to those responsible for terror attacks will hinder if not stop further attacks on civilians.

[Pran]

least we forget that India today was borne out of non-violence and Gandhi Ji must be turning in his grave to see the government take such action.

I'm not commenting on this one

[TenX]

Authorities.
Has anyone ever asked them not to catch terrorists, unless an act is introduced.
I guess they have their own problems; even Kiran Bedi mentioned the other day, following the blasts, that the police have a big problem of small numbers. No idea how much we keep expecting from them, and how much they can stretch...

[nagarifle]

as they say its not the numbers but the quilt y thats matter. Better trained better Intel gathering etc is needed.

we have plenty of laws to jail people etc, but it is all ways after the ugly deed is done.

thats my last cent.

well not really

as its the innocent ones who suffer the most. it s for them that ones hearts goes out to.

[mundaire]

You have a point there Abhijeet. However, in the absence of speedy justice and prolongment in execution of sentences (talking about Afzal guru here) its good to give more teeth to the law enforcement agencies. I do believe that meting out harsh sentences to those responsible for terror attacks will hinder if not stop further attacks on civilians.

Pran, meting out harsh sentences to those found guilty by following due process of law is one thing, introducing draconian legislation that allows the security forces to take short cuts and thus impinging on the freedoms guaranteed to all of us under the constitution is quite another!

I doubt if anyone in their right mind would not want the guilty parties punished. The thing is that when something bad happens, the public (all of us) clamour for quick "results" which more often than not results in the security forces finding a couple of scapegoats to sacrifice at the altar of public opinion. This is not justice, it's catering the mass opinion - both are quite often (though not always) mutually exclusive.

If we subvert the judicial system either to cater to public opinion, whether it is the extra judicial killings of gangsters or it's more subtle things like forcing an accused to undergo "narco analysis" against his/ her will OR we have members of the political party in power use the police to target their political enemies while shielding criminals within their own ranks - we should not be surprised when that same police force becomes increasingly criminalised & corrupt becoming a force of oppression in stead of a force for the protection of the general public.

While political meddling with the police system is not directly the fault of the masses (it is an invisible and indirect correlation, but more on that some other time), what is usually our fault is our immediate and insatiable baying for the blood of the guilty. The law must be allowed to take its course without interference.

We don't need new draconian laws, what we need is an overhaul of the police and judicial system. Like I said earlier, better to let a 100 guilty people walk than to wrongfully convict 1 person of a crime he did not commit.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[perazzi]

Guys pls beware as tier 02 cities such as Hyd , Nag etc are on the red alert list as per some news agencies.

Rohit.