Bursting shells of .32 KF

Olly · Post by **Olly** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:37 am

What should be approach for the complaint....should it just for information to them or should it be more serious and threatening of press publicity ??

shooter · Post by **shooter** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:17 pm

i wonder if they'd be worried about press publicity. esp in a country like india considering the attitude of the masses towards firearms and the attitude of sarkari depts. in general.

Sid_kapur30 · Post by **Sid_kapur30** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:23 pm

hand them a loaded pistol with these shells and instigate them to shoot at you.
And NO. I refuse to volunteer.

on a serious note, can the consumer court be approached in this case??

Cheers
Siddharth

OverUnderPump · Post by **OverUnderPump** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:15 pm

Sid_kapur30";p="43454 wrote:hand them a loaded pistol with these shells and instigate them to shoot at you.
And NO. I refuse to volunteer.

on a serious note, can the consumer court be approached in this case??

Cheers
Siddharth

I think you can also sue them for what happened to your hearing, when you let the revvy rip

regards

OUP

hock ann · Post by **hock ann** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:03 pm

The webley .32 revolver has a marking of "3 Tons" on the left side of the barrel & it should be the pressure that the company applied to all the revolvers before its supplied to the market. Now what is the pressure applied by the IOF for their .32 revolvers we cannot find any markings except from the top the Ashok Chakra,/N.P.,/serial No,/Revolver.32"MK1,/Field Gun Kanpur,/year of Mfg. and an I.C. on the hammer left side what does it stand for Indian Caliber ? The IOF should be questioned regarding this may be they forgot to copy the "3 Tons" marking. God help the .32 IOF revolver owners.
HK,

Post by **TwoRivers** » Tue May 06, 2008 8:09 am

Just a quick comment. The "3 Ton" would be service pressure, not the proof pressure, which would be higher. In British usage the service pressure that the gun was proofed for was stamped on the gun, not the actual proof pressure. In any case, the pics of the fired and split case seem to show that the chamber is considerably larger than the case. The case also seems to be quite brittle, as normally a .41 Magnum case fired in a .44 Magnum revolver, where you have .020" clearance, will not split. I have picked up a few on ranges. Most worrysome, though, are the HUGE firing pin imprints of the primers. Never seen anything quite that size. On the plus side, when a revolver blows with overloads, it's usually the by-standers, not the shooter, who gets hurt, if that's any consolation. A split case in a revolver will usually hurt neither the gun nor the shooter. Cheers.

MoA · Post by **MoA** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:25 am

Olly";p="43384 wrote: =

Olly looking at the cratered primers... two things come to mind:

1. Weak brass
2. Extremely hign pressures

The cartridges were probably :
a. Under Chagred with the OAL being over Max
b. Over Charged
c. Very weak brass
d. Bad primers
e. All of the above

Takes more than a slightly split case to blow up a revolver luckily..

Check tha batch number on the ammo and avoid the next 100 batches. Or just stick to ammo known to be reliable in India.

Olly · Post by **Olly** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:45 am

However one looks at it, it is primarily faulty Quality Control..... The ammo stock was fresh as I mentioned earlier.

Which ammo is known to be reliable in India ? I only know of KF..

I want to take the OFB by their b*lls but there are no suggestions forthcoming on the approach... guess a simple news item to the Press Trust of India should wake them up... else they'll wait till a burst revolver with a wrecked hand comes up....

MoA · Post by **MoA** » Sat May 10, 2008 3:37 am

Olly,

Agree with it being a QC issue. In which case it makes KF ammo unreliable.

What else is available in India? I would presume ammo from S&B or Federal or some non-Indian company is available. Switch to that.

I dont know how much +ve efffect press coverage could have, given the general negativity towards firearms in India.

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:57 pm

Available but there is a significant difference in price. .32 ACP or rimmed revolver round by IOF retails at Rs. 60 to 80 apiece wheras an imported round in India would cost anything from Indian Rupees 250 to 400.

This is the reason we all end up shooting Indian Ammo.

One thing I have noticed, I had about 6 rounds of .32 ACP left from 2005 stock. The electroplating on the bass case is depleted and tarnished, the cartridge looks old stock now.

Must shoot them off asap. The three boxes of 2007 production ( IOF ) I acquired this January seems to be OK.

Is ELEY Kynoch .32 ACP or Revolver round made / available in India by any chance ?

The reson to enquire is rather funny, our Bihari political kids once a little tipsy and high like to fire a few rounds after drinks. A very very dangerous proposition.

One of them after about seven drinks wanted to shoot a few Kynoch rounds in the air of whatever Pistol or revolver he had beneath his Kurta in a belt on top of the Pyjama in my honour.

The expression could easily be generic, Kynoch referring to all imported ammo regardless of the make, an Eley round these days will bear only an ICI marking. But of course our man was not exactly sober after seven drinks of large pegs.

Dangerous stuff, once again I maintain, but out of interest I would like to know whether Eley and specially Eley Kynoch ever made .32 ACP ?

Olly · Post by **Olly** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:04 am

I just bought Magtech for self-protection to save my hands from blowing up due to the famed KF ammo....Gents may have fired hundreds / thousands of rounds without any mishap, but the fact that this has happened EVEN ONCE, gives me reason to label it as JUNK....

When you do fire and you are 'lucky' to walk down to the target to see your shots, you discover a generous spread of over 10", spread all over the place at 25m. There is simply no consistency of the powder being filled in... BUT a KF .32 round will fire, I haven't had a dud one till date....

Magtech is nearly 190/- bucks a pop (.32 S&W L) which makes it NOT SUITABLE for plinking....

OverUnderPump · Post by **OverUnderPump** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:19 pm

Olly";p="43641 wrote:Magtech is nearly 190/- bucks a pop (.32 S&W L) which makes it NOT SUITABLE for plinking....

Looks like I need to invest in AAA Class stocks this year to finance my plink sessions.

regards

OUP

nm · Post by nm » Mon May 12, 2008 12:54 am

Olly,

Please go ahead and send a strong worded complaint with pics and CC to Director General Ord. Fact. Board and also The secretary.

We should make them realise the seriousness of the matter.

I have searched some details, might be of help.....

Senior General Manager
Ammunition Factory Khadki
KHADKI
PUNE
PIN - 411003
Maharashtra, India.

Phone : 020 - 25810554 / 3855 / 3856 / 3857
Fax : 020 - 25813208
Email : [email protected]

CC:
Mr. Sudipta Ghosh
DGOF & Chairman, OFB

CC:
The Secretary
Ordnance Factory Board
Ayudh Bhawan
10-A, S. K. Bose Road
Kolkata - 700001, India

Telephone : 0091-33-22481209 / 22489744
Fax : 0091-33-22482927
Mail : [email protected]

art_collector · Post by **art_collector** » Mon May 12, 2008 9:39 am

Anupam,

Please write to them. At least get some feed back.....I surely agree that imported ammo is just for emergency...and its too expensive.....I would never advise anyone to use it in the normal course...

AC

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:00 pm

Shahid,

I think this should answer your query http://indiansforguns.com/album.php?user_id=8

It is taken with a mobile camera but I think you can make out the details

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