12 ga. Cartridges For Self Defence

[mundaire]

Thanks guys appreciate.

I had some Eley Alphamax Heavy Load Cartridges lyeing, it does not say what they exact load is. I presume it being aroung 50g anybody know the exact load?

Thanks.

I could be wrong, but I think these are loaded with 36 grams of shot...

Sanjay I believe there are heavier loads available than 50 grams (in 12 gauge), but the cartridges are longer than your usual 70mm ammo and would not be safe to shoot in guns which do not have the appropriate chamber length.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[eljefe]

Guys, i used to think that bigger is better in shotgun ballistics, and was planning to pick up a single 12 for home defence etc, until i saw the above mentioned wounds with no.1.besides being terminal, it was unbelieveable what damage no.1 irdshot could cause across a room!
Yes, the part about thin skinned, we are thin skinned Zafar, regardless of all the bleating about being 'thick skinned' a well placed blast of bird shot will take the wind out of most intruders, unless he's tanked up on tharra, or some desi brake fluid and/or bhang etc. in that case, give him the 2nd barrel-Me? i love doubles...be advised that this is a personal statemnt, like i said earlier, stay safe-lock your doors! and keep a desi dog-a damn sight more alert and effective than the hoity toity 2 lac rupee breed!

[shahid]

There are various loads in Eley Alphamax and Impax loads and Magnum loads.

Eley Alphamax ( 2008 production ) for 12 Bore
1 1/4 Oz, 36 gram

Eley Hymax 1 1/4 Oz 36 gram

Eley Maximum 1 3/16 Oz, 34 gram

Heaviest 12 Bore load as of date is
Eley Magnum 75, 3 inch cartridge, 1 5/8 Oz or 46 gram also available in 2 3/4 inch or 70 mm with 42.5 grams of shot.

BB, 3,4, 5 and 6 shot size available in Alphamax
BB,3,4 and 5 available in Magnum

God help the ducks!

If shooting ducks and geese anywhere in the world, at ranges of 30 to 50 yards, Eley Alphamax no. 3 shot with 36 grams of load and a full choke barell is usually the best medicine.

[Yaj]

keep a desi dog-a damn sight more alert and effective than the hoity toity 2 lac rupee breed!

Amen to that Asif!
Regards,
Yaj.

[eljefe]

Thought I would hear from you on this one Yaj!
K guys, lets keep the boards hot!

[browning]

There are various loads in Eley Alphamax and Impax loads and Magnum loads.

Eley Alphamax ( 2008 production ) for 12 Bore
1 1/4 Oz, 36 gram

Eley Hymax 1 1/4 Oz 36 gram

Eley Maximum 1 3/16 Oz, 34 gram

Heaviest 12 Bore load as of date is
Eley Magnum 75, 3 inch cartridge, 1 5/8 Oz or 46 gram also available in 2 3/4 inch or 70 mm with 42.5 grams of shot.

BB, 3,4, 5 and 6 shot size available in Alphamax
BB,3,4 and 5 available in Magnum

God help the ducks!

If shooting ducks and geese anywhere in the world, at ranges of 30 to 50 yards, Eley Alphamax no. 3 shot with 36 grams of load and a full choke barell is usually the best medicine.

Thanks.

[vishosingh]

on the lighter side ...i think you should pepper the bug*3r with old no 9 cartridges that have rusted...even if he gets away he will surely have a tetnus infection on the way!

[james]

How are Mirage clever 12ga Cartridges 28-4 mm made in Italy is rated for self defence and what is the life of these cartridges . cheers JAMES.....

[TwoRivers]

Browning: Putting the guy on the ground, but not killing him, are unfotunately mutually exclusive. Having said that, at close range any shotgun hit in the knee would totally destroy the knee and would put the guy on the ground. With gunshots, the "where" is usually more important than the "what with". With a shotshell, the farther the distance, the more effective the larger shot will be; but at a few feet any size shot will be devastating. For self-defense at close range a shotgun is hard to beat, and at close range any size shot, light or heavy shot load, a hit in the torso will be deadly. Cheers.

[mundaire]

They are good for crop protection type activities, but not ideal for home/ self defence. There's a discussion on 12ga ammo suitable for self defence on another thread - am merging the two threads for ease of reference....

[Risala]

How are Mirage clever 12ga Cartridges 28-4 mm made in Italy is rated for self defence and what is the life of these cartridges . cheers JAMES.....

http://www.clevervr.com/game.html

Check out the T4 Solengo slug,that's the one you are refering to.

It is for game not very good for home defense,BB would be a better option in our context,since 000 Buck Shot is a no no.

HTH

[dsingh]

I think no1 is good option for home defence along with 2and 3 nos new version of deluxe cartidge of ordance is a good amno as far as ball or slug is concenes It should be used where u r attacked by a group of armed persons. sorry for long absence Abhijit I think u should impose a penalty for long absence on me
regards

[b.baracho]

They are good for crop protection type activities, but not ideal for home/ self defence. There's a discussion on 12ga ammo suitable for self defence on another thread - am merging the two threads for ease of reference....

i agree with Mundaire stick to the point guys

[nagarifle]

hi
12 ga for self defence, we should not overlook the fact that most self defence happens at close quarter, nose to nose, once the attacker is let say close to or under the length of the barrel then u would have some problems unless u know how to overcome this.

so i feel that 12 ga is good for self-defence if the attacker or such person is not kissing the barrel . or the barrel is a short one if the law prim its it to be.

also we have to be aware of the fact that what u think is self-defence can be an attack on ur part and the law would see it as such. for example if u are attacked by someone, who throws a empty bottle at u from 20 feet away(he should join the cricket team ) and u shoot him, that may not be defined as self defence but as violent attack on ur part.

or let say:

that u wake up and find that a intruder is in ur room unarmed ie u do not see any thing in his hands and you drown ur Mossberg from under ur pillow and clubber him on the back, that would seem as self defence. however on the other hand the intruder has a knife and u pump few rounds in him that may be and i say may be classified as self defence, even in the intruder s***s barrings for few day.

in self defence the safe and simple rule should be to use minimum force.

may the force be with u (also the law)

[mundaire]

or let say:

that u wake up and find that a intruder is in ur room unarmed ie u do not see any thing in his hands and you drown ur Mossberg from under ur pillow and clubber him on the back, that would seem as self defence. however on the other hand the intruder has a knife and u pump few rounds in him that may be and i say may be classified as self defence, even in the intruder s***s barrings for few day.

in self defence the safe and simple rule should be to use minimum force.

may the force be with u (also the law)

I beg to differ - if you wake up in the middle of the night and realise you have an intruder in your house the best course of action would be NOT to waste time ascertaining how well he is armed OR how many of them (intruders) are in your house.

The very fact that he/ they have broken into your house indicates malafide intent and you would be well within your rights to take the most immediate and effective means possible to disable said intruder(s) as you CANNOT be blamed by anyone for presuming the worst! However, if they are merely in your compound and NOT within your house then you have the luxury of having the time to call for help/ ascertaining how many/ how well armed etc. prior to taking action - as the threat is NOT immediate enough for you to PRESUME the worst.

While I am not a lawyer, I have heard of several instances of people using lethal force to defend themselves in their homes without later having any cases registered against them. Even if the police does register a case, it will almost always be thrown out of court... so long as you use common sense.

Abhijit I think u should impose a penalty for long absence on me

Why sure, hmmm - how about donating 1,000 rounds of 12 ga. No. 6 shot to IFG for "evaluation" purposes? We are quite flexible about brands...

Cheers!
Abhijeet