Tempo Gurkha 4x4

[shutzen]

If you don't do off road and 4x2 is enough for you, there is no point in this conversation. Gurkha is for true off road in conditions which would make other 4x4 vehicles choke. The US vehicles you see doing off road are heavily modded unlike the Gurkha which is stock. Dunno where you got the theory that Gurkha is cramped, it has the best leg space of any 4x4 period except for the Chevy Yukon, the Endeavour can't even be compared. Not only have I done my research, I am a first hand user of 4x4 vehicles of various types. As for Pajero being underpowered, power has nothing to do with off road. Its the overall design. The Endeavour is a typical mall cruiser with weak suspension components and heavy and unruly in every sense. Whereas the Gurkha can be taken off road on daily basis with minimal wear and tear on its suspension. The Endeavour would not take that kind of pounding. The Endeavour's rear suspension is a joke off road and can't even handle regular roads with potholes. The suspension is on par with Scorpio which isn't saying much. No one is forcing you to buy the Gurkha, its only for few who are enthusiasts and need a genuine off road vehicle to ply daily on terrains which will send regular poser 4x4s to shop on daily basis. Even with all the tribulations of Force motors, there are those among us who exert patience and ultimately get rewarded for it.
And the name is Django..........from Frano Nero's movie.

Well Django I have ridden the gurkha and Maybe you are thin and short so you find the space adequate - not so in my case. How much the force motor thinks of its product can be guaged from the fact that they fit piddly tyres and rims when the vehicle is sold. I gives a look which reminds one of the toyota quallis in fact the first thing a gurkha buyer has to do is change the rims and upgrade they tyre size let alone talking of mods any new generation SUV can take care of itself pretty well. We are not talking softraoders here. If you care to see the tests that various tv channels aired when the endeavour thunder was launched i think you will understand that the world has progressed from the remenants of the last century and the newer tech too can take care of itself. Anyway a little birdy on jeepthrills told me that when you went offroading with those dudes you did not even attempt to take your vehicle offroad and were merely content to watch others have all the fun ! whats the use have a uncomfortable ride and giving a tough impression while inwardly you are scared that your crude toy will break ? then what is the difference ?
Hiralal Bhiana

[rhandle]

Well Django I have ridden the gurkha and Maybe you are thin and short so you find the space adequate - not so in my case.

Well I am surprised you would call a guy with 5'11" weighing 90+ kg small...

I am 98 kg 5'10" I was comfortable in there brother.

How much the force motor thinks of its product can be guaged from the fact that they fit piddly tyres and rims when the vehicle is sold. I gives a look which reminds one of the toyota quallis in fact the first thing a gurkha buyer has to do is change the rims and upgrade they tyre size let alone talking of mods any new generation SUV can take care of itself pretty well. We are not talking softraoders here. If you care to see the tests that various tv channels aired when the endeavour thunder was launched i think you will understand that the world has progressed from the remenants of the last century and the newer tech too can take care of itself.

I read the specs of Endy, quite impressive. But would you really take it down the river and mud is the question? The shape itself does not generates that much confidence. Might be I am not that experienced as you are.

On other notes also if I have to get down in MuD I wud hesitate to get into FORD ENDY (if it's mine) with all mud and water around me

Anyway a little birdy on jeepthrills told me that when you went offroading with those dudes you did not even attempt to take your vehicle offroad and were merely content to watch others have all the fun ! whats the use have a uncomfortable ride and giving a tough impression while inwardly you are scared that your crude toy will break ? then what is the difference ?
Hiralal Bhiana

Hira it's not good to call out names to people. I have seen the Gurkha offroading on jeep thrills website. The old and exp. people over there had nice things to say abt Gurkha. It might have been some problem that Django did not go out, might be his health was not good.

I am not taking sides but requesting not to get personal while any debates. Trust me it wont take the life out of any of you or us.

So Chill

[Ranjeet Singh]

Hi Django / Hiralal

Seems like we got some experts on 4x4, can any one of you commment on the Mahindra Major, on the other thread that I started, it will be much appreciated.

Link to older thread :- http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=3560

Cheers
Ranjeet

PS:- Very interesting thread indeed!!

[danish21]

Show me another desi vehicle capable of doing this.

Sorry to interrupt you guyz, i am also an offroad enthusiast and do a lot of offroading. I have 2 jeeps. 1. Willys CJ3A & 2. CJ3B (which i restored for my brother shahid). Please check the link below. It is the coverage on NDTV of our OTR gurgoan. I usually go there with my jeepthrills friends.

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Danish

[rhandle]

Show me another desi vehicle capable of doing this.

Sorry to interrupt you guyz, i am also an offroad enthusiast and do a lot of offroading. I have 2 jeeps. 1. Willys CJ3A & 2. CJ3B (which i restored for my brother shahid). Please check the link below. It is the coverage on NDTV of our OTR gurgoan. I usually go there with my jeepthrills friends.


Danish

Hira Brother watch the NDTV news at 4.41 secs you wud see the green Gurkha, which I guess belongs to django.

[Sakobav]

Folks pay heed to what rhandle posted lets keep it civil and factual. Off road scene will get more interesting once TATA brings in their Land Rovers or new Safari.

Cheers

[Django]

If you don't do off road and 4x2 is enough for you, there is no point in this conversation. Gurkha is for true off road in conditions which would make other 4x4 vehicles choke. The US vehicles you see doing off road are heavily modded unlike the Gurkha which is stock. Dunno where you got the theory that Gurkha is cramped, it has the best leg space of any 4x4 period except for the Chevy Yukon, the Endeavour can't even be compared. Not only have I done my research, I am a first hand user of 4x4 vehicles of various types. As for Pajero being underpowered, power has nothing to do with off road. Its the overall design. The Endeavour is a typical mall cruiser with weak suspension components and heavy and unruly in every sense. Whereas the Gurkha can be taken off road on daily basis with minimal wear and tear on its suspension. The Endeavour would not take that kind of pounding. The Endeavour's rear suspension is a joke off road and can't even handle regular roads with potholes. The suspension is on par with Scorpio which isn't saying much. No one is forcing you to buy the Gurkha, its only for few who are enthusiasts and need a genuine off road vehicle to ply daily on terrains which will send regular poser 4x4s to shop on daily basis. Even with all the tribulations of Force motors, there are those among us who exert patience and ultimately get rewarded for it.
And the name is Django..........from Frano Nero's movie.

Well Django I have ridden the gurkha and Maybe you are thin and short so you find the space adequate - not so in my case. How much the force motor thinks of its product can be guaged from the fact that they fit piddly tyres and rims when the vehicle is sold. I gives a look which reminds one of the toyota quallis in fact the first thing a gurkha buyer has to do is change the rims and upgrade they tyre size let alone talking of mods any new generation SUV can take care of itself pretty well. We are not talking softraoders here. If you care to see the tests that various tv channels aired when the endeavour thunder was launched i think you will understand that the world has progressed from the remenants of the last century and the newer tech too can take care of itself. Anyway a little birdy on jeepthrills told me that when you went offroading with those dudes you did not even attempt to take your vehicle offroad and were merely content to watch others have all the fun ! whats the use have a uncomfortable ride and giving a tough impression while inwardly you are scared that your crude toy will break ? then what is the difference ?
Hiralal Bhiana

16" rims are not piddly and wide tires won't get you on sand, that goes to show how inexperienced you are when it comes to off roading. As for thin and short, its the opposite, years of grade A USDA Beef taken raw has made me a monster of sorts and I don't even fit well in the mighty Land Cruiser. I am 5'11" and have 58 shoulders so I only fit in a Gurkha with its extra space up front. Don't think you have even come close to a Gurkha, probably mistaken a Bolero for one. As for my offroading at the OTR in Gurgaon, I wasn't there due to ill health but you can read the moderator of Jeep Thrill talk about the Gurkha. Arka took it off road extensively and that too with H/T tires and you can read how it performed there instead of depending on little birdies

Gurkha hasn't broken after 74000 KM of sometimes severe off road use in HP, Leh etc. Don't expect it to break now. It aint a poser gay man's toy like the Endeavour etc. which macho little endowed men drive around cities to impress some bimbos. If that was the case, Germans won't be buying it, neither would the usually caustic German mag give an Indian made vehicle thumbs up and title it as Iron Horse.

[Django]

The Ford Ranger platform which the Endeavour is based on is a veritable joke in its own country of origin. The front suspension is among the weakest ever to be put and it got the title of Exploder from its weak rear diff which would regularly self destruct during off road events. The patchy BW tranny used in the Endeavour is joke as it has severe reliability issues. Compare that to the rock solid ZF+PUCH German tranny/T case where 4WD can be engaged at any speed, BOSCH diff locks which are hydraulic with no fancy electronics to go bad when drenched. Try hurling around the Ford the way the Judo gets hurled in the demo vid and you will see its suspension falling apart. The front suspension on the Endy is made from stamped cheap mild steel compared to the forged arms in Gurkha so we can well see what duty the Endy is made for actually. Of course the 210mm clearance is world class in Endy as compared to the measly 240mm in Gurkha.

[shutzen]

Danish :Hira Brother watch the NDTV news at 4.41 secs you wud see the green Gurkha, which I guess belongs to django.

Brah ! I just did that either my comp is bust or youtube is bust bcoz at 4.41 secs a town use only looking hardtop django is the only guy BACKING AWAY in reverse from the track and not going forward while all the others are revving it up in first gear
Hiralal Bhiana

[Django]

The guy backing away is Arka who is the mod of JEEP thrills and not Django who was absent at that event due to illness.

Read his report at http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/jee ... ssage/6952 and let the denial game begin

[shutzen]

Django: 16" rims are not piddly and wide tires won't get you on sand, that goes to show how inexperienced you are when it comes to off roading.

Hello django - why did you change your rims? the stock gurkha does look like the qualis with its undersize tires . Wide tires will surely help me or anyone else on sand and even the most basic driver can tell you that - its just a matter of having more surface area to distribute the weight - simple maths

As for thin and short, its the opposite, years of grade A USDA Beef taken raw has made me a monster of sorts and I don't even fit well in the mighty Land Cruiser. I am 5'11" and have 58 shoulders so I only fit in a Gurkha with its extra space up front. Don't think you have even come close to a Gurkha, probably mistaken a Bolero for one.

Seem to have effected the upper storey too I have seen the gurkha and have ridden in it and driven it too.. dont care much for it though. Maybe the relative comfort of the bolero vis a vis your gurkha makes it appear in your dreams and you keep wishing your gurkha would transform into one dream on .

Gurkha hasn't broken after 74000 KM of sometimes severe off road use in HP, Leh etc. Don't expect it to break now.

Django by any chance did you live in/around chandigarh ? I checked your profile and you claim to have been living in HP. Cuz if you have mate I have some solid news for you - from a mechanic I met in manimajra motor market where our JCB was being fixed he overheard our discussion and told me that he used to regularly maintain 2 vehicles owned by two hulking ]**** DELETED hiralal, do not use any racial/area specific or discriminatory syntax. Eljefe brothers - one of em was a disposal jonga fixed with a hino truck engine and was perpetually broke - the other was a gurkha similar to the one you describe in the youtube in which he said you had gone to great pains to fix a A/C with its inner blower condensor unit hanging below the dash of the front passenger seat! I have seen such ungainly fitted contraptions in ambassador cars and they keep hitting the shins and knees of the passenger so much for the leg room theory so much for your tough guy theory. he also told me about your sob stories that the force motors told you that if you fix a A/C in the vehicle they will void you warranty! He also had a mighty laugh that your jonga was so noisy that you had to keep a huge speaker in the back with a amp in order to listen to music! As for the gun rack you claimed to have fixed on the Dash he said there was none fitted ever on the vehicles he worked with. Most hilarious was that he told me riding the stock seats hurt your ass and back and you ahd replaced the front seats in both the hybrids with maruti seats from kabarias! Well dude its a small world, EDITED dream on in fantasy land.

It aint a poser gay man's toy like the Endeavour etc. which macho little endowed men drive around cities to impress some bimbos. If that was the case, Germans won't be buying it, neither would the usually caustic German mag give an Indian made vehicle thumbs up and title it as Iron Horse.

Well Jangoo bhai watch the language. I would like to drive a vehicle which attracts the bimbos. As for endowment I guess you can land up and a measuring tape can be used to ascertain the facts. The german magazine test you tout found the jeep to be a better vehicle than the gurkha and I too had read this test a long time ago and if i am not mistaken it was about a antique off road event. Why dont you post this test here? Buddy if confirm that mian mechanic in manimajra was your mechanic then I can share a load of horror stories about your hybrids. BTW did staying in the USA make you gay too? I suggest you watch your mouth **** EDITED cuz I can give as good as I get and its best to keep the discussion civil.

[Django]

I have the original 16" rims as well which I use for offroading, nothing wrong with them, the alloys are for on road only with H/T tires. Try going in mud with wide tires and you will see how quickly you sink. Guess you have never done so. The Endeavour comes with 15" tires last time I checked and that too ZVTS which are actually tires made for autos plying on street, kinda tells its true nature.

Btw, I am aware of that person in Manimajra and I guess envy has no cure. Only a few have worked on my vehicles and the man you mention never got close to either of them. The Jonga is not disposal, its original one with HINO engine released in limited numbers to civilians by MOD. Get your facts from the right source. The Jonga had tranny troubles which were fixed by VFJ and yes, since it has a bigger than stock engine, it needs special care. However, the Gurkha has been bullet proof since day one. The Jonga has Gypsy seats installed from factory. I had seat covers done at Manimajra for my Gurkha after 9 years which is normal. No seats were ever replaced and for FYI, you moron, there is no a/c in the Gurkha so your source is as tainted as ever. The Gurkha was for export to Germany in 99 and never had the provision or engine compartment space for putting an a/c. Maybe its another ********** Edited -Eljefe -that spread the rumors and typical of people with low intelligence, you spread gossip like a pussy that you are.


Now what do you say about Arka's post, maybe he is lying as well being the mod of JEEP Thrills. You are ludicrous in every sense.

EDITED, user banned. Eljefe

[Django]

The German Mag called the Gurkha Haarter IM BUSCHTAXI, roughly translated it means Iron horse off road vehicle. It was not an antique event, the test was done in 87 and it was among the most extensive ever. They gave the Gurkha thumbs up over the Land Cruiser and Land Rover. One of the reasons the Gurkha's demand in Germany.

Stop spreading unsubstantiated rumors you boor, envy has taken away your sense of reasoning and logic.

[Django]

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I would like to drive a vehicle which attracts the bimbos.
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Excellent.............. Sums it all up......... culdn't have put it better myself

[Risala]

Django

I think you are way out of line and an apology would be in order.

Perhaps Jeepthrills might permit such lang to be used on their forum,that is definitely not the case on IFG.

IF you blokes want to abuse one another go off line,out here conduct your selves per the forum rules else get the hell out of this place.