i would like to make an introduction

john.s · Post by **john.s** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:19 am

shooter";p="35527 wrote:hi john. welcome to the club. what do u shoot?
i live in london. and am a novice shooter looking o meet shooters in he uk. would like to hear more from u. keep posting cheers!

i mainly shoot waterfowl ,ie ducks ,...

shooter · Post by **shooter** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:50 am

john i would like to know more about waterfowling.
i am very intresting in shooting geese, mallards, pintails, pochards etc.
i have a shotgun certificate, a browning sporter and try to practice on clays.

Post by **Grumpy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:00 am

Hi John.
Welcome to IFG.
It`s good to have a UK wildfowler as a member - the only Duck shooting I do is when an occasional pair of Mallards rise from a rhine while I`m out rough shooting.

john.s · Post by **john.s** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:35 am

Grumpy";p="35533 wrote:Hi John.
Welcome to IFG.
It`s good to have a UK wildfowler as a member - the only Duck shooting I do is when an occasional pair of Mallards rise from a rhine while I`m out rough shooting.

thanks grumpy , i have always wonderd what the british raj did in india , in the way of wildfowling , lots of british big bore guns found their way to india ,but the shooting situations could not have been the same as they was in england ,also how many of those old fowling guns still survive in india , it would be nice to see those that still exist and know a little of their history

Post by **Grumpy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:06 am

Mack The Knife can probably give you some information on wildfowling in the past - the subject has come up......along with some fabulous photographs. My memory is shot but isn`t Sat the guy to speak on that matter Dodger ?

john.s · Post by **john.s** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:16 am

Grumpy";p="35541 wrote:Mack The Knife can probably give you some information on wildfowling in the past - the subject has come up......along with some fabulous photographs. My memory is shot but isn`t Sat the guy to speak on that matter Dodger ?

you have lost me now ,..........heads gone blank

Post by **Sakobav** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:22 am

john

Grumpy is just pointing out that in addition to Mack The Knife another member "sat" might provide some more information on your query.

Welcome aboard and do post often

Best

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:55 am

Grumpy, will drop 'old wobbly knees' a line.

Welcome aboard, John.

Post by **Vikram** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:51 am

john.s";p="35526 wrote: hi vikram, i see you live in the UK , basc are having a big show this year and i sujest you come along , there will be lots of "old time guns" and punts for you to see , if you would like my telephone number we could arrange something ,............

Hi John,

I live in Coventry. That will be great to see the show.Please do let me know the date and venue.Shall try to make it.Will PM my phone number. Thanks.

Best-
Vikram

badshah0522 · Post by **badshah0522** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:44 am

Wellcome Sir John

john.s · Post by **john.s** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:37 pm

badshah0522";p="35566 wrote:Wellcome Sir John

thanks for the welcome but , i am not a knight , so please ,........john eh !

diskaon · Post by **diskaon** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:32 pm

Sir John was the name of a bollywood villaian in the movie Ram Lakhan... may be badshah is refering to that sir john...

john.s · Post by **john.s** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:35 pm

diskaon";p="35618 wrote:Sir John was the name of a bollywood villaian in the movie Ram Lakhan... may be badshah is refering to that sir john...

i doubt any one would want me in any films , and i dont think i would want to be in any , so , lets stick with
john

penpusher · Post by **penpusher** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:22 pm

john.s";p="35540 wrote: i have always wonderd what the british raj did in india , in the way of wildfowling , lots of british big bore guns found their way to india ,but the shooting situations could not have been the same as they was in england ,also how many of those old fowling guns still survive in india , it would be nice to see those that still exist and know a little of their history

Welcome to IFG John.Lord Linlithgow, the then Viceroy and Governor-General of India, shot 4273 ducks in 1938 at Bharatpur.Other place's renowned for big bags were Bikaner and Kashmir.

shooter · Post by **shooter** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:59 pm

bharatpur and kashmir for waterfowling bikaner more famous for imperial sandgrouse. if one goes to gajner lake near bikaner, one can still see the old shooting butts and if u know an old shikari, he will be happy to show how a shooting butt was used, where the shooters and loaders used to stand and where the cartridges were kept and the direction of the grouse and u can see the animated body language and the twinkle in the eye of the old man which temporarily seem to take away the toll the years have taken on him.

It would intrest the members to know that prior to these big shoots hundreds of men would be placed on all the adjacent/nearby water bodies preventing the ducks/geese from landing for hours/ days. so they had had no choice but to converge on the water bodies where the shooters were waiting. despite the gunfire.
It was like a 'haaka' (beat) for ducks.
i am not impressed by these methods but i suppose that was a different era.

secondly, on that day ( as well as on all big shoots) the actual number of guns was much more just as it is on driven shoots today but in the times of british raj, the whole bag was attributed to the vip (the viceroy etc.).
If one goes to bharatpur, one can see the marble plaque where the shooting records are engraved along with the person who bagged them and the number of guns. if im not mistaken on that particular day there were 10 or 12 guns.

This post doesnt undermine the availability of game or lord linlithgows shooting prowess but just lettin u know how the shooting in india was in the raj.

the record of lord walsingham shooting 1006 grouse in one day in uk is still impressive.
so are the other british records held by lord de gray, lord walsingham, lord huntington and raja duleep singh etc etc.

what is more intresting is that while in uk most driven shooting was reared birds, in india it was actual wild game. ( except for a few instances like the famous teetar (partridge) shoot in bihar.)

I would also like to mention here that i have read reports/ articles by british armymen saying that few maharajas like maharaja ganga singh ji of bikaner were such good shots that they used to shoot geese using rifles in moonlight.
that is good shooting.

I have also met old 'shikaris' who were professional trappers who had orders to deliver geese for some festivals etc. or maybe it was for driven shooting, who knows. the 'shikari' said he didnt care what the 'party' needed upto 10000 live geese for.

They used to catch geese/ducks with nets and used to trap thousands in a day!!
talk of stock depletion.
I have also seen pics (and so has mundaire) of dholpur royal family's special custom made boat for waterfowling.

in the records from the house of mewar, it is mentioned that during these big shoots, so many shots were fired that even these seasoned shots would literally have bruised blue shoulders and their skin would be tattooed black from the gunpowder.

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