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Post by dev » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:33 pm

sat";p="3215 wrote:
i'd say it was a great way to discover the hunting sport...the smell of those sellier belloit cartridges and the mountain air in your face.
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The smell of those S&B cartridges, the open fields, the fresh air, 'what memories'. We would at times open a airtight container with a few 'fired 12ga shells' to sniff at the empty cartridges... best fragrance in the world... :D

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If there was a heaven on earth that was it my friend! But on second thoughts the Karni Singh range is not a bad substitute with clay pigeons and the same cordite smell.

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Post by dev » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:40 pm

Maynor type is my fantasy of being like those english laatsahibs, with their holiday home that has a small castle type of setting complete with places for hunting. I love your idea and it would be worth paying for even to stroll around with a shotgun broken on the shoulder. But like all fun things it seems to be illegal.

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dev";p="3191 wrote:You horrible bater eating person you...why can't it be wild boars :lol:
Because they are wild :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
dev";p="3191 wrote: I too thought about what you wrote about, but don't have a clue about this. It would be nice to have a maynor type of set up with a game keeper and all and a spot of wing shooting on a winter day.
What is maynor type of set up? :?

I can always go and Hunt in my private property but what I wanted to know is can i do it legally. I am not thinking of harming any wild population. I will just raise quails at my farm and release them for hunting later.

And if there is nothing illegal in this then who knows on a later stage I may start my own hunting preserve where you guys can come and have some fun (Off course after paying me :mrgreen:)

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Post by kanwar76 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:27 pm

Yah Quail and Partridge population is on decline in our area too (Yamuna Nagar, Haryana). Thanks to pesticides and encroachments on public land (Shamlat) :evil: :evil: . You will be very lucky if you see any in fields now days but they can be still found in very good numbers in grass jungle on Yamuna Bank.

Last time when I was there I saw a huge explosion in dove population. Don?t know why :?

I wonder what Amrinder saab doing with 2000 pheasants a year sending them back to Europe or having fun with them here :wink: :wink:

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Post by kanwar76 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:31 pm

mehulkamdar";p="3250 wrote: because the birds have almost been wiped out in that country.
You will really doubt that if you see pics of their Game bags :roll:.

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Post by kanwar76 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:32 pm

dev";p="3263 wrote:Maynor type is my fantasy of being like those english laatsahibs, with their holiday home that has a small castle type of setting complete with places for hunting.
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Post by Sakobav » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:10 pm

mehulkamdar";p="3250 wrote:Navdeep,

Several Indian pheasant breeds are available in the US - Chukar, Monal, Coucal etc. The sad thing is that these birds are not bred in India and Indian farmers breed Japanese Quail instead.
Is it FOreign better than desi / native mentality thing or some other reason. Good question for Agriculture Univ guys.

Regarding Pakistan, no doubt they seem to have a better record of maintaining wild life etc. But there may be a social reason for that, hunting as a sport normally is pursued by well to do . Pakistan society is still very feudal and also army rule, so they control habitat aspects of retaining tracts or hunting preserves and poachers also stay away due to dire ramifications.

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Post by Sakobav » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:38 pm

Forget exotic birds like quail etc..This time in Chandigarh I hardly saw or heard chirping/cackle of common house sparrow..chiddhi!

LONG BEFORE "Pie In The Sky'' became a hit song in the early part of this Century, people only knew about the four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie! The nursery rhyme goes on to say that when the pie was opened the birds began to sing, much to the amusement of the royal diner. This is not just a mere tale but something that was a part of entertainment in feudal society in the West and the East too. When the first Nawab of Tonk gave a wedding party, his guests among whom were many rajas, nawab and high officials, both Indian and British, were pleasantly surprised to find live birds flying out as soon as the dishes were opened. The credit for this, of course, went to the royal cooks and also to those who had caught and trained the birds.

Bahelias or bird-catchers have all but vanished from Delhi, though not from Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Bihar, Bengal and Assam despite wildlife preservation laws and a big decline in the number of birds.

Trapping of birds was an ancient art that was handed down from father to son. Bahelias were active not only in the jungles, but also in the hills, marshes and riverbeds. Birds were caught both in the day and night. Skill, patience and knowledge of bird life were a hereditary trait of the bahelias.

The bird bazaar that flourished on the steps of the Jama Masjid in Delhi provided a variety of birds, both for the pot and for those who were interested in acquiring pets. Lovebirds, the weaverbird and baya, bulbuls, piddis, lals, parrots, mynas, pigeons, partridge and quail were among the many varieties on sale. Pigeons, parrots and partridge are still easily available.

Munna Mian of Jaipur was an expert bird catcher who had netted birds for over 60 years. He used to supply them not only to rich families of Tonk and Jaipur but also to the Jama Masjid market in Delhi. The man would oblige those seeking a demonstration from him in the Ghat Gate bazar itself. Sitting on the roadside and inching his way up, he caught a sparrow so skilfully that one could not but applaud.

Sparrows were netted in large number for those fond of chidi pulao. Hundred of birds were needed for the dish that was supposed to be both a delicacy and an aphrodisiac. Early in the morning or late in the evening nets were thrown over trees where the birds came to roost, and the catch sometimes exceeded thousands.

When not using a net, the bahelia used other devices -- a heap of straw or a tree branch to approach the birds at close quarters. Traps were also used, and at night a light to blind the birds which sometimes involved the ringing of a bell to confuse them. The use of glue was also quite common. But more than anything else it was the skill of the bird catcher that helped him to succeed in his daily hunt.

Now few people know how chidi pulao used to taste and many have surely not seen a bahelia. Munna Mian is long dead and his sons no longer practice the family profession. Nobody produces singing birds on the table. And the only bird Delhiwallas eat with relish is the chicken. Titar and bater parties are a thing of the past. But many old timers miss the bahelia stalking the Yamuna bed at night or the wilderness in the day, catching a bird swiftly and putting it away in a bag slung on his shoulder or carried by an assistant. His performance was so deft that even those using an airgun marvelled at the man's hereditary art.

You may still meet a bahelia or two on the northern steps of the Jama Masjid. That's after the evening bazaar when the man may be sitting cup-in-hand gazing wistfully at the birds on dome, minaret, tree or in the dusky sky. But his hunting days are far behind him and the only birds he catches now are parrots and pigeons. But then parrots and pigeons don't sing at the dinner table, do they?

Though the bahelia may be on his way out, the pigeon fancier still flourishes. Matia Mahal, near Jama Masjid, is one of their main haunts. They are also found in Bara Hindu Rao, Daryaganj, Chawri Bazar and Chandni Chowk, besides other localities. Here pigeon-lofts vie with TV antennas on housetops and you can find the sky full of pigeons, morning and evening, wheeling to and fro in military precision. The whistling of their masters below and the whirling of red flags in many hands on the terrace guide them.

The sport gained great popularity in Moghul times and Emperor Akbar owned several thousand birds from Turkey, Afghanistan, Armenia and Iran. He called the sport Ishq-bazi or love-play, for pigeons are great lovers and mostly monogamous, like humans. Now flocks are not so big as feeding and housing them is a problem. But still there's no dearth of pigeon-fanciers who sometimes have contests with those from Agra, Bareilly, Moradabad, Rampur and Lucknow when most engaged in local competition among themselves.

The bahelia helps to supply pigeons to them but most birds are bred at home and are highly prized like the greybund, greybaz and lotan kabootars. Din Badshah used to be a legendary pigeon fancier but now he's no more.


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Post by kanwar76 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:05 pm

I even kept pigeons :oops: but never raced.

Thanks for nice article Navdeep.

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Post by penpusher » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:43 pm

I wonder where my message went :? .Was a longish one and now I don't have the energy or the patience to type it again :cry:

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Post by Sakobav » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:19 am

Mehul

You were correct about Pakistan

http://www.macp-pk.org/trophy_quota.htm
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Wish India had the same? Read the case studies

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Post by Mack The Knife » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:22 am

penpusher";p="3289 wrote:I wonder where my message went :? .Was a longish one and now I don't have the energy or the patience to type it again :cry:

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Post by mehulkamdar » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:29 am

Navdeep,

I might visit Pakistan next year though I am not sure about hunting there. My mother was born there and my maternal grandfather returned well after Partition. Through a leading PArsi journalist in that country, I have been trying to trace old friends of my maternal grandfather and their descendants and I hope to meet some of those who are still alive before they pass on. I am looking forward to the trip as it is going to be a most unusual one.

I do wish that the competitive Indian spirit would make India go in for conservation and controlled hunting if only to show the world that Indians can do a better job than Pakistanis. 8) :lol: Let's hope for the best!

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Post by kanwar76 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:06 pm

ngrewal";p="3278 wrote:Regarding Pakistan, no doubt they seem to have a better record of maintaining wild life etc. But there may be a social reason for that, hunting as a sport normally is pursued by well to do . Pakistan society is still very feudal and also army rule, so they control habitat aspects of retaining tracts or hunting preserves and poachers also stay away due to dire ramifications.

You are right Navdeep, I was talking to one of my friends who is based in Lahore last night and according to him public hunting lands are almost barren of any wild life because of netting of birds by locals for selling in hotels etc but there are some big landlords who manage their land well thus bags with big numbers.

I hope INDIA also learn something from our neighbors.. :(
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Post by Sakobav » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:29 pm

Mehul and Inder

Best of luck with the trip to Pakistan, do visit Lahore. Rhetoric aside, you will find people very hospitable and friendly.
I have not been to Pakistan but did get to visit their consulate here in NYC with my friend so technically I can claim a visit. Here is funny thing Indian and Pakistan consulates are literally back to back in NYC and maybe even share the backyard?

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Post by Sakobav » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:33 pm

penpusher";p="3289 wrote:I wonder where my message went :? .Was a longish one and now I don't have the energy or the patience to type it again :cry:

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Well try again penpusher maybe you sent it as PM instead..

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