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Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:26 pm

Unlike my previous three forays in the month of November, this was to be a two day affair in the company of two families. Unfortunately, one family could not make it, so it was just my friends Prathap, his wife, Latha and me.

Left home at 5 a.m., met up with P & L in front of the University gates and we were at the cottage by 7:20 a.m..

Got the stove going for some tea, had a ham sandwich or two and then trooped of to the lake.

Within minutes Prathap spots a small murrel swiming close to the bank wall and gets him.

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Next up are a couple of small tilapias that we retain for lunch.

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We were primarily ledgering for rohu but would spin for a few minutes to break the monotony and during one such break, Prathap lands a korva.

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After lunch we paddle across the canal and climb upto the road running parallel with the cottage lake to observe some grass carps we had seen from the cottage. We spot six of them and three seperate shoals of big tilapia.

I would estimate the smallest of the grass carps at atleast 20lbs.. We tried floating bread and grass but were not successful.

We head back to the cottage at 3:45 p.m., have our tea and then proceed to Forbes Sagar. The plan was to spin for murrel until sunset and then ledger for mahseer until 8 p.m..

Now this is where the pace really quickens. In the one and a half hours of spinning for murrel, Prathap catches nine murrel. His wife bags her first murrel as well. This one made it to the dinner able. She went on to bag another.

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Since, as per the new rules, only three people, including the ghillie, are now allowed in the coracle, I take Latha's place and manage to get one before the end of the session, whilst Prathap manages to catch a few more.

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In total we caught twelve murrel during this session.

As the sun sets and the moon begins to rise, we paddle to the other end of the lake to ledger for mahseer.

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I get the first one, then Prathap gets one. I get another and Prathap follows suits. He also catches himself an eel. For some reason I forget to take a pic of the eel. It was a smallish fellow. The mahseer pics will have to be excused as it is almost impossible to frame them in the viewfinder or LCD screen in the dark and I am always in a hurry to get them back in the water as soon as possible.

Within half an hour of the sun setting the temperature dropped dramatically and the mist that rose from the lake's surface gave the place a very horror film like setting.

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We wrapped up the mahseer session at 8 p.m. and headed back to the cottage where we saw this little fellow.

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Soon after dinner, we saw a vehicle approaching the opposite bank of the cottage lake. Turned out to be a group of poachers night shining for deer and pig but they high tailed it out of there when we shown the light on them. These guys are getting pretty brazen considering that the cottage lights were on and even had the audacity to turn their spot light on us or perhaps they were just plain stupid. Apparently, they live in that area and have some political clout (C.K. Jaffer Sharieff, allegedly).

We hit the sack by 11 p.m. and were up by 6:15 and it was wonderful to see the heavy fog covering the lake but it dissipated within thirty minutes or so of the sun rising. See the full moon just above the trees.

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Prathap and I hit the cottage lake by 7 a.m. and got quite a few bites. However, these were usually from smaller fish. Here's a small Carnatic Carp that Prathap caught.

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Later in the session, Pathap hooked into a rohu and had a jolly good fight. He might be small but he was full of spirit and that was also the case with the two subsequent rohus that I caught later on. I was unable to get a pic as the rohu slipped off into the water whilst Prathap was unhooking it. It weighed in at 4 kgs.

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There's a small marshy area just behind where we were fishing. Prathap heard some movement and went to have a look thinking it could be wild boar and that's exactly what it was. Five of them infact.

Latha fixed us a good breakfast that we had at the bankside itself. I then moved a short distance away as more than two lines from that particular part of the bank can get to be a bit much.

I laid the rod on the rod rest and kept an eye on the line. Fifteen minutes or so later, there was a violent jerk and I picked up the rod and struck. The way it had struck, I first thought it was a mahseer but it turned out to be a rohu. After playing him for a bit I gave the rod to Latha so that she could experience what a rohu fights like.

I am afraid I dropped the fish whilst lifting him up for the camera and I wasn't happy about that. However, the alacrity with which he made off was reassuring.

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After another hour, Prathap and I moved to the far bank and saw a lot of rohu activity. A couple of them were feeding within just a few feet from us.

I managed to get another rohu and this one fancied himself to be a marlin because he jumped clean out of the water and was a lovely copper colour. After the jumping around he came in pretty tamely but when he saw the coracle he just zipped off and really made the reel sing. This happened three times in total and it's a sound I don't think I'll ever tire off.

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Soon after this we paddled back to the cottage, had our lunch and were on our way back home.

Types and number of fish caught:
Murrel: 15
Korva: 1
Mahseer: 4
Tilapia: 3
Carnatic Carp: 1
Eeel: 1
Rohu: 3
Catfish: 1

Tackle used:
Rod: Temple Fork Outfitter 6', 2-piece.
Reel: Daiwa Exceler 4000.
Line: 20 lb. Power Pro for everything barring the mahseer. For the latter, I switched to 20 lb Berkley Trilene Big Game mono.
Bait: Ragi.
Spinner: Mepps Agila No.4

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Pran » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:55 pm

Thanks for the write up, Mack The Knife.

I noticed Prathap's put his thumb in the fish's mouth.Why's it done?

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Post by Mack The Knife » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:08 pm

Good question. Will ask him.

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by HSharief » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:38 am

Pran";p="31937 wrote:I noticed Prathap's put his thumb in the fish's mouth.Why's it done?
I've seen the real professional anglers on TV hold a fish like that to unhook the bait, I think it encourages the fish to open the mouth and relax. I've done it too and feel that it is true that the fish open wider and are more relaxed and not splashing around.

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Post by Vikram » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:30 am

Great pics and nice way to spend a weekend.Keep it on Rusty.

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Post by Sakobav » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:55 am

Nice Mack The Knife best

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Post by eljefe » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:14 am

Hi Mack The Knife, great show , Temple forks and Braid doing their bit? how was braid for marral from teh coracle? snag wise?
I'm loaded with20 braid/25mono on the baitrunner and 14/18 mono on the other reel.2 rods-the ugly stik for coracling and Rowen for everything else.OK?
Pran-Sharif is right, you may hold a carp or a mahseer with a thumb in the mouth.Easy handling, safe and less stressfull for the fish.Dont try it with Mullee, though :evil:
Prathap and Latha-Great start people, keep on doing it :)
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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Risala » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:15 am

Some catch Rusty :D looks like the water levels are considerably lower than from the time we were there.

Doc is goin to a have a lot on his hands this time around.

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Post by dev » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:31 am

Hey Rustman,

Man you are looking fighting fit. But when you have such a great experience you don't need to work at the writing.
;-) Your conservation efforts are really paying off.

Double back flipping salaaam to you.

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:04 pm

Asif, this was the second time I used braid. The first experience can be read here... http://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopic ... c&&start=0

Unless the situation calls for mono, I would never go back to it. The only problem I have with braid is the cost but I suppose I will just have to grin (or more likely cringe) and bear it. The other thing that can be a problem with braid is that it does not refract light and can easily be seen by the fish. What I did was attach 24 inches of 20 lb mono via a swivel for ledgering. The spiral lead weight was placed behind the swivel but not crimped down on the line. This permitted the lead to move along the line and give less resistance when the fish first takes the bait tentatively.

My experience with braid and snags has been very good so far. Because braid has no stretch, it pulls the spinner out of the weeds. It may also be able to saw itself out of the weeds but I am yet to confirm this.

When spinning for murrel or mahseer, I use a 40 lb leader, so that acts as a shock leader and so far I haven't caught anything that would really test the rod.

For those who are new to the sport and wish to try braid, make sure that your rod's ring guides are capable of handling braid or else they will get cut by braid.

Anyone interested in buying a TFO rod can do so from www.burfish.com I ordered mine from them and received it in a weeks time. Details of my rod can be seen here - http://www.burfish.com/catalog/tfs-602h.html
I'm loaded with20 braid/25mono on the baitrunner and 14/18 mono on the other reel.2 rods-the ugly stik for coracling and Rowen for everything else.OK?
The baitrunner and Rowen rod will do for mahseer unless you are truly fortunate enough to get stuck into a big one, in which case you will probably loose your line first. The Ugly Stik and 14 lb mono will do for murrel, infact, considering the size of the mahseer we are currently catching, it is more than sufficient for that role as well and you would have an excellent fight on your hands. 100 yards of 14 lb mono should be sufficient in the present circumstances. The only problem that the Ugly Stik will face is pulling a big or medium sized murrel out of the weeds.

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by kanwar76 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:32 pm

Hi Rusty,

Some questions for you.. :D

*What are the advantages of Braid over mono?
*What do you think a 4000 size symetre will balance best on 6" rod or 7" rod?
*TFO's 6" and 7" are both rated for 25LBS mono so can they handle a fish around 25LBS? (sorry kinda stupid question it is :oops: )

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:40 pm

Some catch Rusty :D looks like the water levels are considerably lower than from the time we were there.
Hi Sanjay, the water level has dropped but not by much. What is more important is that it isn't as muddy as it was during your visit.
Doc is goin to a have a lot on his hands this time around.
I wouldn't bet on that as the fish population has fallen and it isn't as easy as it looks.

It takes an angler of Prathap's calibre to get the numbers up. To put things in perspective, of the 29 fish caught, Latha caught 2, I got 6, whilst Prathap caught the remaining 21. Had we done the post lunch session at the cottage lake and then moved on to Forbes for the evening session for murrel and mahseer, the numbers would have crossed the 40 fish mark but the ratio of fish caught would still have been more or less the same.

The difference between someone like Prathap and Asif or me is years of experience. The fishing tackle he uses is probably no better than average but what he lacks in equipment he makes up for in watercraft and skill. Unlike the vast majority of anglers, he is constantly looking for signs and just keeps plugging away. There is no luck involved. Anupam, take note. ;)

To watch him spin for murrel is to watch a very experienced hunter stalk his prey. It really is shikar in the true sense of the word and as for his casting, it's pure poetry in motion.
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Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:18 pm

Man you are looking fighting fit.
Yeah and you are blind as a bat. :mrgreen:
Your conservation efforts are really paying off.
It could have been better. Much better, infact. There are a few issues that need to be resolved and fast.

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by kanwar76 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:26 pm

Mack The Knife Bana";p="31985 wrote: To watch him spin for murrel is to watch a very experienced hunter stalk his prey. It really is shikar in the true sense of the word and as for his casting, it's pure poetry in motion.
As Asif says. "Even if pratap uses his Nada and put a hook on it.. he will catch fish" :lol: :lol:

Man of many talents he is....

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Re: Fishing the WASI stretch - 24th & 25th November.

Post by Mack The Knife » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:48 pm

*What are the advantages of Braid over mono?
Braid casts further. It also has a smaller diameter compared to a mono of equal breaking strength. This permits you to either add more line to your existing reel or switching to a smaller and lighter reel.

For example, the 20lb Power Pro braid I am using has the diameter of a 6 lb. monofilament line.
*What do you think a 4000 size symetre will balance best on 6" rod or 7" rod?
It would probably balance a bit better on the 7' rod. However, unless you physically try it, you will not know. I used a 4000 size Daiwa on the 6' TFO and did not find it to be unbalanced.
*TFO's 6" and 7" are both rated for 25LBS mono so can they handle a fish around 25LBS? (sorry kinda stupid question it is :oops: )
The 25 lbs is the line rating. It has nothing to do with the weight of the fish being targeted. I see no reason why a 25lb line cannot reel in a 50lb fish or even heavier for that matter. It all depends on the presence or absence of structure in the water and the anglers skill.

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