On IOF and handguns again

[mehulkamdar]

Asif,

If it were possible to manufacture guns in India, I have the contacts to bring technology and investment into the country from Italy. Since it is not possible, I have been trying to moot the idea of manufacturing air rifles but haven't found any interested party so far.

Sad state of affairs, yes, it certainly is!

[Olly]

Thanks guys !! Guess I have my hands full on this one... have no choice but to go for it.... Something new for the same price of the ol' .32..... also heard they've improved the grips... Well, will get the gun in mid-Jan... and know first hand about all intricacies of it...hope it is worth the 62K i've shelled out....
Wonder whether to buy short or long cartridges ??? HELP >>>!! KF, as you all say, is best for the IOF stuff....

[penpusher]

Anupam,

The IOF .32 revolver is chambered for the .32 S&W Long and so can also fire the .32 short cartridge.Though,why you would want to do that, escapes me

hope it is worth the 62K i've shelled out

It's not even worth 1/3 rd of that price. Rs 10,000/- max. including taxes

The only way a laser sighted IOF revolver can be accurate is if it fires laser guided bullets Perhaps our friendly neighbourhood dictator Gen. Mush can help on this.If I recall,he has a "laser guided pistol"

penpusher

[TC]

Gentlemen there was a consignment of 200 odd .22 bore IOF revolvers that they had difficulty selling (may be because of the reputation it had earned) about two years ago. So they purchased laser pointers and fitted them under the barrels and marketed the product as "special editions" called "Ashani".....
I think some are still available now.

I have seen and fired the new .32 IOF revolver several times. The black plastic grip has finger grooves in front and flatter in profile. But besides that the rest is all same. Though they are all worthless by world standards, I would still say the revolver is better than the nickel plated pistol...

I even heard that they had plans to manufacture a all steel four inch version of the .22 revolver. But the fairy tale never came true..
Then heard of a plan to copy the Llama mini max .32 pistol... again a blank there

The bolt action 30.06 ? IOF guys here had been telling its due anytime and prototypes are ready. A copy of the Brno big bore rifles...But I am still waiting like all of you.

My advantage over you is whenever there is a launch at Ishapore or Kossipore factories I will the first to know and get invited. Dont worry I am waiting.

So long

TC

[penpusher]

TC,

The MOD Annual Report 2004-2005 mentions that a 30-06 rifle has been developed and submitted to the MHA for approval.

penpusher

[TC]

penpusher, I heard this is 2002-2003. You quoted a report of 2004-2005. And we are in the threshold of 2006-2007.

Lage Raho

TC

[antismuggler]

Hi buddies,

Its been quite some time since I made a post. Apologies. I applied to SAF, Kanpur and not FGF. Sent a DD for the total sum of Rs.64,000/- plus. I got an intimation that I had to come in August, they had given three days. The letter contained certain requirements, that the licence is valid, that I should have a no objection certificate from Bangalore police commissioner for transporting it, that I should reach Kanpur one day in advance to get the Transport licence from DM. Kanpur. Accordingly I made my travel arrangements from Blore. On reaching Kanpur, I went to the DMs office and when I told the guy at the enquiry counter that I had come for a transport licence, he called me in, offered a chair, got someone to bring a paper in which he wrote out an application on my behalf, got the same guy to get the required non judicial stamp or whatever and the long and short of it is that he merely asked me to go and sign in a register at the end of it and I had a TL in my hand. EDITED For someone who has come from south, if asked to go to some counter to purchase the application form, to yet another counter to procure the stamp, fill in go to some other place to remit the money and then go elsewhere to stand in queue to get the TL, it would have been a time consuming and ardous task. When viewed in that light, to get the TL in under one hour was just sweet service to my mind. EDITED The next day, he got a friend of his to bring a taxi to the Hotel where I was staying. Incidentally I stayed at Meera Inn opposite RBI, which is quite a decent joint. We went to SAF and he waited outside. No mobile phone is allowed inside. Since I knew about it EDITED, I had left mine at the Hotel. Anyway all that we have to carry is our valid licence, the no objection certificate from our local police commissioner, the TL and the letter from SAF. They make us wait in a hall, and get us to fill in certain forms/registers essentially once again giving our licence details, noc details etc. By 11 am you are out with your revolver. They also put on a CD showing the parts of the revolver and how to clean it etc. I picked up some ammo also from kanpur and then made my return journey. Now I am trying to find a way to get some shooting practice. That is when I came to know that KSRA requires me to get a police verification done once again. Sigh!! .

Some tips are that:
I heard FGK has a smaller waiting period only three weeks. At SAF it is two and a half months. Again near Kalyan also there is some Ordinance Factory where they issue 0.32 revolver, but the waiting period is again three months. Anyway I didnt know about this kalyan place. Else I would have opted for it. Kanpur as a city, sorry folks, is a mighty poor place to stay or sight see. Of course, I made a trip to Lucknow which was worthwhile.
So thats it folks.

Cheers
Antismuggler

[Pran]

>got the same guy to get the required non judicial stamp or whatever and the long and short of it is that he merely asked me to go and sign in a register at the end of it and I had a TL in my hand. Oh ! I forgot to say, he offered me a cup of tea too. All for *******, talk about service !!! I didnt even ask what the official charges where and I dont care.

Corruption is rampant in most Govt offices. It's bad to talk about bribing officials/using touts to get your work done on a forum that advocates RKBA.

Pran

[Sakobav]

AntiSmuggler

Take note of what Pran posted. Your actions are contrary to what this board stands for.

NG

[saahil]

hi all
im really sorry to interfare but i think that we should be a bit practical.he was from south and he paid 500/. in my case i purchased my gun from a gun dealer in delhi there i saw him paying the same amount for my TL. it is something we cant change in our country, now its a life style.cant help it.take care

[Pran]

a gun dealer in delhi there i saw him paying the same amount for my TL. it is something we cant change in our country, now

Saahil, there's no point in fighting for our right to keep arms if people are happier getting them by greasing palms.

>its a life style.

It isn't. You're only finding excuses for your inconsiderate behaviour.

>cant help it.

Yes you can. Don't bribe officials just to make things a little easier for yourself.

Pran

[Olly]

a gun dealer in delhi there i saw him paying the same amount for my TL. it is something we cant change in our country, now

Saahil, there's no point in fighting for our right to keep arms if people are happier getting them by greasing palms.
>its a life style.
It isn't. You're only finding excuses for your inconsiderate behaviour.
>cant help it.
Yes you can. Don't bribe officials just to make things a little easier for yourself.
Pran

IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE... try it once to get a better opinion...

[Pran]

>IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE... try it once to get a better opinion..

Okay guys, I give up. Please start a section in the forum(call it 'Greasing palms') where you can discuss how much to bribe for an arms license and how much to renew it and so on.

Pran

[dev]

>IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE... try it once to get a better opinion..

Okay guys, I give up. Please start a section in the forum(call it 'Greasing palms') where you can discuss how much to bribe for an arms license and how much to renew it and so on.

Pran

Don't give up. Its more fun to watch little greasy palms dry up and then begin to sweat under a firm resolve and a steely gaze

Dev

"Sometimes Phantom leaves the jungle to stalk corrupt officials like an ordinary man, wearing his underwear over his pants."
Old Jungle saying.

[Olly]

Who has the time Dev ? U are a single man in unknown territory where every dick around knows what u've come for...
The process is cumbersome... one place to get the DD for the DM's office, one place else to deposit it... one place else to obtain the papers...
The babu's both at the bank and the DM's office work at snail's pace to ensure that u get pissed. Their tea goes on several times a day (mind u, the day ends at about 12 for u to reach the SAF for the afternoon session)... If they've stalled u enough to make you stay for even one day longer, whose loss is it ? Ofcourse, if money and time and botheration are not an issue, anybody going to get the Rev can consider himself on holiday and enjoy the slow and shoddy work culture... AND what they ask for is really not very much, just about 150 bucks or so... rest of the money is actually deposited in the govt. account....
Let me tell you another thing... when u come out of the SAF / FGK, every bloke knows that u are carrying a brand new revolver WITHOUT ammo, which means it's useless defense and u are shit scared, all alone, susceptible to getting mugged and losing the gun... It is the 150 buck guy who is atleast known to you thru the shops at the DM's office who arranges for the transport and they wait for you to take u to the station or hotel. It is little assurance, but really adequate in that situation..... Ofcourse this is purely my view...