Tempo Gurkha 4x4

Django · Post by **Django** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:55 pm

You can't ford with petrol motors and for true off roading, the torque suffers greatly. Raid De Himalaya is not as open as you think, in that case, don't you think a Land Cruiser would have taken at least few of the titles, no other vehicles apart from odd Mahindra have truly participated in Raid De Himalayas.

A properly tuned MM550 is far more competent off road than a Gypsy. As for the Raid, its a rally done on flat terrain, not a true off road in any sense, in that case, any well tuned petrol engine would do great.

biking3819 · Post by **biking3819** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:16 pm

Django";p="30019 wrote: As for the Raid, its a rally done on flat terrain, not a true off road in any sense, in that case, any well tuned petrol engine would do great.

if one knows the tricks and skills of offroading a petrol motor can ford,i mean whats so difficult to save ur ignition and to have a fording plug in your differentials.,its definitelythe design of the vehicle which wud matter more,but yes torque wud be an advantage in similar sizes of petrol and diesel motors in a diesel motor,ya a gypsy wont ford much but a 'petrol motor cant ford',please enlighten , didnt know that please explain why,i guess u can be one of the 4*4 gurus out here.

r u really aware of the flat terrain in the himalayan raid

,and the speed and time u wud need to maintain in a rally stretch full of sharp bends ,worlds highest passes,stretches full of shrp pebbles and still doing 120,i insist again that its a different segment,agility plays a vital role for any vehicle participating in a rally like the raid,the gypsy scores 'cuz of that and its wt., and not the crawling mode involved in offroading

again,if you may let us know the unladen wt of the gurkha. thanx
sanjiv

Django · Post by **Django** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:03 pm

I live in Himachal Pradesh and have driven through the Raid De Himalaya track many a times. Again at the cost of being redundant, Gypsy wins the so called rally only because they are the majority sole participating brand, no other reason.

Weight of Trax Gurkha is 1786Kg.

Every genuine off road vehicles in ply across the globe are diesel with petrol being a remote close second, reason being diesels better reliability and longevity and the fact that it can be virtually driven submerged as long as you have the snorkel breathing in the air. Few if any gasser, even with proper insulation will survive long term submersion in liquid. Suggest you take a look at the G Wagen as well as FJ videos in youtube, you will invariably see most are diesels. Also diesels have tractability, can be lugged for hours without serious overheating, lugged gassers would overheat far earlier than diesels. Also diesels can take severe abuse and load due to the inherent design of their engine. This is not to say a nice TLC with a Lexus V8 is a poor off roader, however if given the choice, I would take the 4.5L HINO diesel alternative over the higher bhp gasser, off road, climbing dunes and rocks, a diesel rules supreme, specially at crawl speed where its far easier to modulate a diesel engine.

Lastly I have no desire to be a 4x4 guru of any sorts, my purpose is to enjoy my vehicle, thats all.

Recently my friend who is a photographer took a brand new but broken in Gypsy King BS-III to Leh for his assignment, it performed quite poorly overheating frequently. Coming back to the plains the symptoms of overheating disappeared and Maruti dealer was unable to find anything wrong. Next trip he took his Innova which even though being hampered by its 2WD, performed without any hitches and quite admirably in comparison to his Gypsy. Also while off roading in Gurgaon and Manesar, the Gypsys failed miserably in sand bed when compared with the Gurkha and MM550, not one place did I have to engage the diff locks and I now have H/T tires instead of all out AT or ATX. Again I will repeat, Gypsy is an excellent all roun vehicle and does its job with a aplomb and beyond its call of intended duty but its not a hardcore off roader, never was, never shall be and that by no means is an insult, I was the first on block to buy the Gypsy in 1985 and have lots of respect for this vehicle.

Post by **Mack The Knife** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:32 pm

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Django";p="30019 wrote:i guess u can be one of the 4*4 gurus out here.

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He is and you would do well to listen to what he has to say.

Hi Django! Some of the Gypsy woes still continue. Will get in touch with you this weekend.

Mack The Knife

Risala · Post by **Risala** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:37 pm

Django,

What's your take on the Pajero,a buddy who just joined your off roaders group recently,picked up one.

Do you come down for the Gurgaon/Manesar meets,drop a pm,may be we can catch up.

Cheers

Sanjay

YouTube · Post by **mundaire** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:18 am

Django is on the dot as to the superiority of diesel motors (vis-a-vis petrol ones) for fording streams etc. A regular petrol engined vehicle with 12v based electrics will have it's electrics shorted out when submerged in almost no time! There is a work around of changing the electrics to 24v, but this is not as simple as it sounds AND even then submerging the vehicle for any sort of extended period would fry the electrics...

The reason for this is simple, the petrol motor depends on the electrical system to provide ignition, while the diesel motor being a compression ignition system does not.

Of course both the diesel and petrol motors would require snorkels for air-intake and exhaust for any kind of fording...

Post by **Sakobav** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:49 am

Django

Thanks for all the great posts above.
Subsequently I did read on a discussion board about Gurkhas orders and wait time. The delivery dates are dependent on any over seas orders. Some of the members wrote to owner to expedite the order.

What is the approx cost of Gurkha?

Best

Django · Post by **Django** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:15 am

Mack The Knife,

Please contact me and we will see what can be done about your vehicle.

Sanjay,

The older Pajero with chassis is an excellent vehicle, just needs Yokohama Geolandar and 16" rims which were original to this vehicle. 15" wheels were given in India because at the time of the launch of the Pajero, 16" wheels were sparse and had to be imported just like in the case of my Gurkha. My brother and Arkaprava Datta was at the first OTR at Manesar, both drove the Gurkha extensively and you can read Arka's report.

Mundaire,

Absolutely correct about 24V transfer but even then the vulnerability of electrics remain when exposed to moisture, I have talked to tour operators in middle east, Africa as well as Australia, they all invariably pick diesel vehicles for long haul preferring it to gas.

ngrewal,

Glad you enjoyed the posts, the DI model available currently go for Rs.6.5L, a bit more for hardtop. For the upcoming OM611 Gurkha, the price is expected to go up significantly due to the German engine and tranny.

biking3819 · Post by **biking3819** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:33 am

thanx django,
i have a clear idea now ,infact very clear to go in for the gurkha,
had been to the car india office and picked up the issue when they had done the road test for it,and everyone loved it and had no intention to return it back to the company.

Mack The Knife,i am listening to django very well and following his postings too carefully,since i wud be spending that much hard earned money to buy the vehicle,whatever last reservations i had on the vehicle compared to the gypsy i had put it infront of him and got my questions finely answered.,i was very carefull this time since its not more than a year i had picked up a brand new gypsy and had a lot of reservations later.

Django if my postings had in any way caused you too feel bad,it was really not intended rather i wanted to get answers than just someone else saying that this vehicle was just awesome or good.,and it was very nice of you to help me get to the point of respect and capabilities for this offroader besides serious consideration to save money to get one for myself.
thanx again and i do have a lot of respect for the knowledge and information you shared here.
warm regards
sanjiv

Django · Post by **Django** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:07 am

Sanjiv,

No offences taken, I am a skeptic myself and admire another one. I wish you could read the German 4x4 Magazine review where it was pitted against G Wagen, TLC and Land Rover and it got their best 4x4 of the year title. They declared it Harter Im Buschtaxi, the hardest off roader ever. As an Indian, that was a great moment which I am sure you would understand. Even though its based on German tech, its made here in India. With old 91bhp engine, it went up against 170bhp six cylinder vehicles, but thanks to its suspension, chassis and gearing, it didn't disappoint anywhere. If you need any further info on Gurkha, don't hesitate to PM me. Also as I mentioned, the Gypsy has lots of potential, couple of ARB locker in front and rear, a suspension lift and you have a very good off roader as well. Also consider the Pajero if your budget suits you, very reliable and competent off road package.

biking3819 · Post by **biking3819** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:12 am

Django,
where can i locate Arka's report.

cheers sanjiv

Django · Post by **Django** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:24 am

biking3819";p="30070 wrote: Django,
where can i locate Arka's report.

cheers sanjiv

Sanjiv,

Here you go http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/jee ... ssage/6952

OverUnderPump · Post by **OverUnderPump** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:51 pm

Where can I look to buy a new Tempo Gurkha in Delhi ?
And what should I be looking at in terms of a price tag and mileage?
Driving habits would be mostly in-city(80-100 kms daily)and outings reserved to the once in a month off-road getaways.

biking3819 · Post by **biking3819** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:36 pm

hi,
u have to book one with any force motor dealership...
remaining info -
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=2018

cheers...and hey a great vehicle it is!
cheers sanjiv

paddy · Post by **paddy** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:06 pm

Hi Friends,

I went to buy the Gurkha at Jhandewalan dealership last week and here is the story:

1. No vehicle available for test drive.
2. Not even catalogues
3. It can not be registered in Delhi due to Diesal Vehicle Registeration ban by our sweet CM Sheila ji.
4. The receptionsit called their Gurgoan office and they said it can be registered in Haryana or U.P. but not in Noida or Greater Noida - NCR
5. No vehicle in Gurgoan Either
6. It takes 3 months to get a 4wd after receipt of full payment in advance
7. The Ggn salesman promised to call as soon as the vehicle arrives
8. End of the Gurkha story

If you get lucky please do pass on the information.

Cheers!

Paddy

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