Shot Placements - Hunting

snIPer · Post by **snIPer** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:53 pm

Shot Placements - Not meant for India

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:57 pm

Geese will fall better at 35 to 45 yards range only if shot with No. 3 if a 3 inch mag or if a 2 3/4 incj cartridge use british no 4.

BB do not give you that combination of strike energy, charge pattern or charge density to down a bird like Geese. It will only injure it.

If someone fires a 2 Bore or heavier then BB is OK. But for 12 bore, 10 Bore, 8 Bore, use No. 3 or 4 only.

In USA anything over 12 Bore is not allowed.

In UK some hunters do still use 10,8 and 4 Bore, but it takes a well built man to fire off anything above 10 Bore.

My own record with 28 bore is zero. I must have fired about 10 cartridges with it but could not break a single clay.

It needs adjustment and a different handle from one who is used to firing 12 or 20 bore.

28 is usually offered to ladies who accompany us to the shooting club.

Same theory would apply if I attempt to fire an 8 bore. It would require quite a few shots to get used to it. No need. I get the geese with 12 Bore and no. 3 in most countries.

snIPer · Post by **snIPer** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:03 pm

Is it right in saying that BB could be "BIG BIRD".
What do you reckon is the best number for Hares / Rabbits - what do you think of 6/8/ for it.

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:31 pm

No. 4, 5 or 6 usually. At closer ranges say 25 yards no. 7 1/2 too is good. An ounce load or 1 1/16 oz or 1 1/8 oz game load should do great.

In a situation where stocks of 4 and 6 need to be preserved for wing shooting, use No. 1 shot on this game, results are good.

BB - Big bird or whatever, it is quite useless as a shot size.

Post by **Vikram** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:49 pm

In US, 10bore/gauge is legal.

My friend who is 61, 5'6" and wiry,shoots an 8 bore SXS for geese. Form and technique are important and of course "fitness" is essential.

BTW, British and American shot sizes differ.

Best-
Vikram

Post by **Grumpy** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:29 am

"BB - Big bird or whatever, it is quite useless as a shot size."

It`s quite good for Turkeys........which are birds.

Yeah, 5s or 6s for bunnies. 6 to 8 for Pigeons - depending on conditions. Trap cartridges with UK 7 1/2 shot work very well - hardly surprising as Trap shooting ( clay shooting generally ) was developed from Live Pigeon shooting. 5-6s for Pheasants as well. Partridges are best served with 6 or 7 1/2 shot. Quail are best shot with 7 1/2 - 8 shot. 4-6s for Ducks - I take most of mine with 5s or 6s when I`m out on the levels after Rabbits. Geese ? Yeah, 3s-4s.
Patterns from 3 1/2" 12-bores are pretty crappy so a 10-bore is better although I`ve mostly used a 2 3/4" or 3" 12-Bore. I`ve never done much Goose shooting so don`t concern myself with the matter very much.
28-bores make lovely Quail/Dove ( not Wood Pigeon ) guns and the great majority are sold for this purpose. More and more shooters are taking 28-Bores with them to South America - mostly Argentina - for the big Dove shoots there where vast numbers are shot. Delightful to shoot........it`s a shame that Woodies are too big and there aren`t enough small Doves or Quail here to merit getting a 28-Bore......although I`ve been very tempted recently...................................

shahid · Post by **shahid** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:11 pm

I guess anything bigger than 12 Bore is not allowed in the USA. Check the DUncks Unlimited website, I recall reading it in a few other places as well. This is the reason 3 inch magnum cartridges with almost 2oz, ranging from 1 5/8 oz to 1 7/8 oz of shot were developed.

Shots too are tungsten matrix and bismuth with alloys, imprved from steel shot. Lead shot is illegal for Duck hunting in the states now.

All this info will be there on the web. Lets try to find out.

snIPer · Post by **snIPer** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:54 pm

what is better Lead Shot or Steel Shot.
Correct me if im wrong but only specially made guns can handle steel shot right?

Post by **Vikram** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:26 pm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?O ... 0&F=&CA=76

Check this link (gunsamerica) and see how many 10 bores are on sale.

Also, check Ducks Unlimited website for their duck guns reviews,you will find 10-gauge guns and ammo.

Best-
Vikram

YouTube · Post by **mundaire** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:18 pm

snIPer";p="28824 wrote: what is better Lead Shot or Steel Shot.
Correct me if im wrong but only specially made guns can handle steel shot right?

AFAIK lead shot patterns better... and you are right, not all guns are suitable for use with steel shot...

HSharief · Post by **HSharief** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:41 pm

snIPer";p="28824 wrote: what is better Lead Shot or Steel Shot.
Correct me if im wrong but only specially made guns can handle steel shot right?

For Waterfowl in the USA, only Steel is allowed. Lead is of course preferable as it patterns better and is easier on the gun. I hear these days steel shot or more appropriately, "non-toxic" shot which may not be "steel" are right up there with Lead for performance.

Post by **Grumpy** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:42 am

"For Waterfowl in the USA, only Steel is allowed."

WRONG !

Only `Non-Toxic` shot is allowed for use over American wtlands - that includes Steel, Bismuth, Tungsten Matrix ( Tungsten Polymer ) Tungsten `Hevishot`, Tungsten Alloy, etc. Lead shot is not allowed for shooting over wetlands at all.

`Steel` shot, which is actually powdered iron - no `steel` in it at all - is utter crap. So bad that I won`t even consider using it. The damn rubbish causes more injuries and lingering deaths to birds than can possibly be justified. Steel shot ought to be banned. Because it is considerably lighter in weight than lead shot its effective range is far less than lead shot ( or the other alternatives ) which means that much larger shot sizes have to be used which means that there is less shot in the pattern. I can`t express my contempt for steel shot adequately without resorting to the use of extremely bad language !
Its only saving grace is that it is cheap compared to the alternatives.

Guns need chrome bores or higher grade steel to shoot `steel` shot and have to be appropriately proved. The manufacturers of Tungsten Hevishot claim that it can be used without damage in non-steel proved guns however the evidence is that it causes physical scarring to the barrels. I first read of this online so checked it out myself and found that Scarring/scoring/scratching DOES result from its use in non-steel shot rated barrels. Tungsten Alloy shot also requires the use of steel shot proved barrels.
Most guns built in the last 15 years or so have barrels suitable for use with steel shot...........but not all so check thoroughly before even considering the use of steel/Hevishiot/Tungsten Alloy in your gun. If in any doubt whatsoever don`t enen consider their use - DO NOT use `steel`, Tungsten Alloy or Hevishot in barrels that are not steel shot proved as damage WILL result - there is also the risk of physical injury.
Bismuth and Tungsten Matrix shot can be used in any guns.
Bismuth and Tungsten Matrix shot perform almost as well as lead - just not quite as effective. Steel is far inferior to lead. Hevishot performs better than lead but can`t be used with tight ckokes as the patterns are ruined by clumping. About 1/2 choke - certainly no more - maximum is recommended but I`ve found that the clumping starts to appear over 3/8 choke. Hevishot does pattern tighter than lead for a given amount of choke however. The latest generation of Tungsten alloy - as used in Federals new cartridges for example - is superb. It`s rounder than Hevishot ( which is slightly tear-drop in shape ) and heavier. It can be used with slightly more choke than Hevishot.
Because Tungsten alloy and Tungsten Aloy shot is denser than lead a smaller shot size can be used - between one and two sizes smaller than lead for a similar effect.

All the alternative shot materials to lead ( apart from `steel` ) are frighteningly expensive........Several times the price of lead or steel cartridges.

10 bores ARE legal in the USA - the largest bore size allowed. In the UK we are `restricted` to 2" ( approximately 51mm ) bores...............!!!

HSharief · Post by **HSharief** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:15 am

Grumpy";p="28857 wrote: "For Waterfowl in the USA, only Steel is allowed."

WRONG !

Only `Non-Toxic` shot is allowed for use over American wtlands - ......

Steel, Non-Toxic, same difference. Not that I don't know the difference and I did write, "non-toxic" which may not be "steel", but you're just being yourself, Grumpy. With all due respect, Cut us lesser mortals some slack before you show off your vast knowledge and experience in not just guns but in the English language too. After all, guns is not our profession and English is not our first language.

Post by **Grumpy** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 am

Yeah, and I`m a pedantic git as well !

Sorry HSharief - I didn`t mean to cause offence ........ but I rip apart the lack of precise language of those whose sole language is English as well. Grumpy by name, grumpy by nature

What you don`t realise is that it`s a good thing that this forum doesn`t show all the edits I make trying to ensure that I do write reasonably accurately !
By the way - drop statements like `us lesser mortals`. I certainly don`t consider you to be any `less` than I. I just happen to know a bit more about this subject than you - I`m sure that there are plenty of things that you are a lot more knowledgable about than I.............Which doesn`t make me feel any `less` than you !

HSharief · Post by **HSharief** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:25 am

Grumpy";p="28863 wrote:What you don`t realise is that it`s a good thing that this forum doesn`t show all the edits I make trying to ensure that I do write reasonably accurately !

Yes it does, like this :
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