.32 ACP Pistols

[Gurpreet_Singh]

What is the market price of Webley Fox & Werywin Victor pistols, and which one is more recommended ?

[dev]

I was quoted 2.5 lacs for the Victor but I don't know about the Webley. The JD Taurus is more reasonably priced.

[Vineet]

Go for Taurus

[gb123]

Is it true that the taurus has a "bullet drop" issue. I saw on this indian guntuber video that the taurus has a lot of bullet drop beyond 15 mtrs or so?

[EkManushya]

Is it true that the taurus has a "bullet drop" issue. I saw on this indian guntuber video that the taurus has a lot of bullet drop beyond 15 mtrs or so?

link please

[winnie_the_pooh]

Is it true that the taurus has a "bullet drop" issue. I saw on this indian guntuber video that the taurus has a lot of bullet drop beyond 15 mtrs or so?

If the bullet does this out of a Taurus pistol it will do the same out of any other pistol as well.

[eljefe]

Is it true that the taurus has a "bullet drop" issue. I saw on this indian guntuber video that the taurus has a lot of bullet drop beyond 15 mtrs or so?

For normal world civilian use, ammunition is designed around
1. Powder
2.bullet weight
3.Some benchmark barrel length

Ideally
Powder should burn as close to 100% For THAT caliber
Gas released by this powder burn should be at safe maximum for that action.
The amount of gas caused by the powder burn should suffice to propel the bullet out against the resistance offered by the rifling in the barrel, to the requisite distance. AND in case of the pistol, also be sufficient to work the action.

Lets say, for the .32 ACP, the maximum effective distance is considered as 25m with a 4” barrel.

Gravity is KING when it comes to ballistics. It pulls the bullet down to earth,this drop is measure able/predictable for all calibers , thanks to extensive research by the manufacturers.

Now if you used the SAME Brand X ammunition in 4 different brands of pistols,all with same barrel length, the ‘drop’ ofthe projectile at 10-20-30 m for example, should be about the same.
If there are gross variations, then its better to eliminate as many of variables. E.g using a Ransom rest in which the pistol is held,only aiming and trigger operation is done by the shooter.


In your quoted video, does the person testing check the sights of the individual pistol under test? Use a Ransom rest? Use same brand of ammo?

So, ask the youtube tester if he can eliminate variables amd confirmation biases

[gb123]

Here is a link to the video. I don't exactly know how to post a better link so sorry in advance :



Relevant discussion starts at around 3.45 min mark.

[gb123]

Is it true that the taurus has a "bullet drop" issue. I saw on this indian guntuber video that the taurus has a lot of bullet drop beyond 15 mtrs or so?

If the bullet does this out of a Taurus pistol it will do the same out of any other pistol as well.

Might be true that there might be issue with the bullets, and I must add that I am not a marksman by any stretch of imagination. However i feel I place bullets on a much tighter group with my friends star long barrel pistol than my rfi mark I. So engineering behind the gun will make a lot of difference in my humble opinion. Say that the bore has a very small imperfect fit with the bullet, there must be a issue with the drop, velocity, etc right?



Further, the guy in the video doesn't seem to be cut of of the same cloth as our indian guntubers who primarily unbox guns and drone about features being careful of not antagonising any manufacturer.

[winnie_the_pooh]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7aQWOI3g60

There is clearly a defect in the pistol being used. From 5 minutes on you can see cases that have bulged on firing. Must be a head space issue.

[eljefe]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7aQWOI3g60

There is clearly a defect in the pistol being used. From 5 minutes on you can see cases that have bulged on firing. Must be a head space issue.

Ooh. The infamous Glock case bulge
Now in a Taurus.
Unsupported case during theaction cycling- barrel tilt/chamber cam unlocking phase.
Manufacturer will have to have the chamber cam
Angles recut. Sloppy QC.

Human factor- he has a solid enough grip and is not limp wristing.

Ammo- could be loaded to higher pressures, or powder is temperature sensitive , pressures spiked on a hot day?

So many variables…

[winnie_the_pooh]

Isn't the PT57 just a simple blowback operated pistol?

[eljefe]

Just found this

[eljefe]

Isn't the PT57 just a simple blowback operated pistol?

More variables. I did not know it was blow back

[eljefe]

Isn't the PT57 just a simple blowback operated pistol?

More variables. I did not know it was blow back

Winnie,I read an old warning from a powder manufacturer,accuratepowder.com,
And the original ‘ unsupported case head ‘seems to be a more realistic reason in this blowback action.
Done to ensure reliable feed


SPECIAL WARNING CONCERNING CHAMBER DIMENSIONS OF SEMI AUTO HANDGUNS THAT DO NOT FULLY SUPPORT THE CASE.

A potentially dangerous condition can occur with certain aftermarket modifications, and also certain factory-produced semi auto pistols that have chamber configurations that do not fully support the chambered cartridge case. This modification is incorporated or done to aid in the reliable feeding of the round from the magazine. Although it might be acceptable for newly manufactured ammunition, or new unused cases, a potentially hazardous condition can be created when cases are reloaded a second time or more.

After firing a round in one of these handguns, a deformed case can result. We recommend inspecting each case for a bulged or “pregnant” shape from the base of the main body towards one third to half of the case body, which is a sure sign that the case is not fully supported. Although this bulged part is reformed during resizing, the case strength could be weakened. The problem occurs when this part of the weakened case again lines up with the modified part of the chamber. This may cause the case to fail, which allows the gases to be ejected into the internal cavity of the weapon.

If you own a firearm in which the chamber does not fully support the chambered round and is producing the above mentioned symptoms, Western Powders, Inc. recommends that you either contact the firearm manufacturer to determine if the case is fully supported, or have a competent gunsmith examine the firearm and determine the amount of support provided to the case.

If your firearm does not provide complete support for the case, please take extreme care and refrain from reloading cases.