Kf 30-06 new ammo launch

[bhuvneshver1234]

Kf 30-06 new ammo launch by afk on March end.see post on twitter by afk on March 30.can anyone of group member experience the performance of new ammo? Please share it

[yes.sir98]

Kf 30-06 new ammo launch by afk on March end.see post on twitter by afk on March 30.can anyone of group member experience the performance of new ammo? Please share it

Could you please give us the link for the Twitter post you are mentioning?

[bhuvneshver1234]

[bhuvneshver1234]

[casual shooter]

I hope they also start manufacturing .45, 380, 357 in india, if not Govt at least private players....32 is a vintage ammo, i would also like .40..
Dreams dreams dreams gentlemen ...

[Biren]

Nice..30.06 ammo will be manufactured in India. What is going to be price?

[hornet22]

Nice..30.06 ammo will be manufactured in India. What is going to be price?

And quality?

[mundaire]

Hope everyone realises... that once this hits the market, they'll ban imports of .30-06 ammo? Just a logical conclusion based on how (in the past, continuing to date) they banned import of all other calibre ammo made by IOF.

Plan and prepare accordingly.

[timmy]

Perhaps it is time to fill one's quota with ammunition of choice, while it is still available?

[hornet22]

If imports are banned then people will be forced to buy IOF ammo at higher prices, the only way out would be if private manufacturers would be given licence to manufacture various types of cartridges like soft point or round nose bullets with different weights of 30 06 ammo.

[mundaire]

If imports are banned then people will be forced to buy IOF ammo at higher prices, the only way out would be if private manufacturers would be given licence to manufacture various types of cartridges like soft point or round nose bullets with different weights of 30 06 ammo.

Manufacturing of modern ammunition, relies on economies of scale to a huge extent.

In India, considering the relatively few arms license holders, compounded by the fact that licence holders are restricted heavily both in terms of ammunition quota as well as next to zero opportunities to shoot their firearms (read as easy access to shooting ranges) - means that any prospective ammunition manufacturer in India, would have to heavily rely on exports to ensure production runs are economically viable.

Just a couple of illustrative examples:

1. Both 9x19 mm and .45 ACP are popular calibres overseas and thus produced in large quantities. The .32 ACP is much smaller (read much less raw material cost), but sells for a much higher price than either of the earlier mentioned 2 cartridges! Why? Because demand is much lower, so both production and inventory carrying cost is much higher for the .32 cartridge.

2. Amongst shotgun cartridges, the 12 bore/ gauge is by far the most popular amongst all. Once again, you'll see that much smaller (but less popular) 16/ 20/ 28 etc. Bore/ gauge cartridges sell for a lot more money (once again- read much less material cost) than their bigger 12 bore/ gauge cousin! Why? Same reason as above.

Even if one were to import/ buy from others the individual components to manufacture ammo, low demand means that your plant, machines & labour (fixed cost) would be idle for much of time, which would mean much higher end total cost per cartridge...

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[timmy]

1. Both 9x19 mm and .45 ACP are popular calibres overseas and thus produced in large quantities. The .32 ACP is much smaller (read much less raw material cost), but sells for a much higher price than either of the earlier mentioned 2 cartridges! Why? Because demand is much lower, so both production and inventory carrying cost is much higher for the .32 cartridge.

This is for sure the truth! 9 mm far outstrips any other handgun ammunition found on the shelves. Before COVID and the Ukraine War, 9 mm was continuously diving toward 22 LR prices! Personally, I began to think it might even supplant 22 LR for many purposes, both handgun and rifle!

2. Amongst shotgun cartridges, the 12 bore/ gauge is by far the most popular amongst all. Once again, you'll see that much smaller (but less popular) 16/ 20/ 28 etc. Bore/ gauge cartridges sell for a lot more money (once again- read much less material cost) than their bigger 12 bore/ gauge cousin! Why? Same reason as above.

Again, so true! about all the shotgun ammunition on shelves is 12 gauge. There is some 20 gauge available, but it is only a small fraction of what one can buy in 12 gauge. 410 bore has made a little comeback, due I suppose to these "Judge" revolvers in 410 that have become a bit of a fad. 16 gauge is very rarely available, even less so than 28 gauge.

It is odd that many of the older cartridges, like 35 Remington or 300 Savage aren't being offered, many of these new "Creedmore" or "PRC" rounds are being offered. Manufacturers say that they want to concentrate on the most used ammunition, but they have dropped a lot of the older cartridges in favor of very expensive new ones.

For someone shooting one of these older cartridges, imported sources like Prvi Partizan might offer what one wants, perhaps. Finding 7.5 x 55 Swiss is like this, but finding 8 mm Lebel is even worse. It will soon get to the point where anyone shooting older cartridges will need to form their own brass, and maybe even cast their own bullets for these chamberings, too.

One can hardly find any 32 Auto ammunition, and it has been a few years since I've seen any 32 S&W on the shelves. There is some 30 Super Carry though. But, pretty much below 9 mm, 380 Auto is about all that's available. Most of anything else is a "roll your own" proposition, Where one must painstakingly find components. Brass can sometimes be found from specialty makers, like Starline, or bought as used "range brass." I felt fortunate to grab 500 rounds of 32 Auto cases a few months back. It can be found, but it's not all that common. The leaders in used brass are 9 mm, 45 Auto, and 10 mm.

Even if one were to import/ buy from others the individual components to manufacture ammo, low demand means that your plant, machines & labour (fixed cost) would be idle for much of time, which would mean much higher end total cost per cartridge...

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Yes, yes, and yes! Ammunition makers have been coalescing into just a few large companies. Import bans, such as the ban on cheap Russian ammunition, has put a huge dent in supply. I would suppose that, in any case, Russian ammunition would be in short supply even if import bans weren't in place. Many other govenments have been claiming production from manufacturers to build out their own national stocks or to meet political commitments internationally.

India is a huge potential market, but the likelihood of that potential being realized is the big question. Low levels of gun ownership, low quotas on ammunition, and bans on chamberings that are most popular elsewhere doesn't seem like a good investment, considering the tooling needed and distribution issues that would have to be worked out.

It is easy enough to ask, "Who will meet my need for such-and-such ammunition?" but really, who is listening and who cares?

(edited to add: Of course, we gun lovers here at IFG DO care! My question only highlights the point that few others do.)

[ASIF007]

I spoke to an employee of Ichapur Rifle factory last month and he said that the quality of the new IOF catridge is good. He said its fairly accurate upto 300-400 metres. In Kolkata the price per round currently is Rs. 250-275. However when I spoke to a dealer he said the feedback from users is not good many rounds have misfired and could be dangerous . He said it took years for IOF .22 to reach its present day quality today and IOF 30-06 will take some time to improve the quality.

Price of Sellier & Bellot per round in Kolkata is Rs. 400-450 minimum which was Rs. 150 just before Covid. Dealers are sayin the Russian Ukraine war has distorted prices and the Government import quota is becoming tighter.

I have a feeling imported 30 06 Cartidge will end up going the 12 bore ammo way.

[hornet22]

The quality of kf ammo has gone down, the old IOF .22 and 12 bore cartridges would fire after years of storage and some of the new kf 12 bore and 22 ammo just out from the factory are misfiring

[Vineet]

The quality of kf ammo has gone down, the old IOF .22 and 12 bore cartridges would fire after years of storage and some of the new kf 12 bore and 22 ammo just out from the factory are misfiring

12 bore cartridges quality has gone down but .22 is good. Check your .22 firearm. Is the firing pin hitting properly ?