Hammer Guns

[kanwar76]

Hi CC,

Nice gun... good to know that INDIA still have some of its treasures still in country..

Hey any idea how this gun is entered on the man's license?

-Inder

[cottage cheese]

Hi kanwar,

The licensing aspect awoke our curiosity- he didn't bring it with him - I'll check with him.

He probably should be issued two licenses for the gun!!

[shahid]

Patience Guru Grumpy, patience. What did I tell you, first the brochure has to be found. Then photographed in Daylight, flash shots spoil pics, then posted. That is 3 processes, got to find time for this. Its Ramadan you see, short working days and more sleep time.

At least the process has got started yes 2 Hammers and a safety catch this pic I got from the web.

SO it is done eh ?

Now I'll shoot and post a pic of this triple barrel drilling that had a safety for 2 main barrels and a hammer for the 3rd barrel which is a 22 LR or 22 Hornet.

[Vikram]

A drilling is a triple barrel as its name suggests."Dri" means three in German.A four barreled gun is known as a vierling.

Just a suggestion.Wouldn't it be convenient to keep the sources at hand before we suggest anything out of the ordinary?

Best-
Vikram

[Grumpy]

So what is done ?

If this is going to turn into another of your BS debates Shahid you might as well know that having resigned as a moderator I no longer feel constrained in how I respond to such drivel and will happily tell you what to do. (Whoa Grumps )
As far as patience is concerned: When it comes to you I have none.

[Grumpy]

The mode of operation is quite conventional for a hammer drilling CC - one hammer or the other serves jointly to fire a shotgun barrel and - via a switched transfer - the rifle barrel.
The calibre of the rifle barrel WILL be marked on the gun - probably on the bottom of the barrel back towards the breech. I have a similar gun here - a German Guild gun and former museum piece - that has had a very hard life since being brought as unofficial `reparation` to the UK just after WWII. Unfortunately small boys were allowed to play `cowboys and Indians` with it..................!
It`s off to California shortly as a resoration project. A ( formerly ) beautiful gun with relief engraving of game scenes. That, by the way, has the rifle barrel chambered for one of the peculiar `short` 8mm calibres....... 8x51 possibly.....or 8x47........ something like that.

[Grumpy]

VIKRAM, on the subject of fine hammer guns don`t you have some photographs of a pair of rather special hammer guns to show the members here ? ( The `long and the short of it` )
- I should start a new topic with them.

[shahid]

Modern vierlings come with full safety catches, double sets if action is made that way, and firing order interchangable switches ( also much like safety ).

Fine gunsmiths from Austria, Germany, France, Spain and Italy and even Belgium have produced some excellent drillings and combinations over the years.

FOr the action and firing mechanism a combination of hammerless and hammer options were used according to the individual, remember these are hand crafted not mass produced weapons like a Remington 700 or similar.

Now this drilling I have mentioned was there on exhibition in one of the FErlauch stalls. Daniella's company Farouz had a stall and so did a few others from the FErlach school. One of them had it and it was even there in one of the catalouges they left behind with me.

Very nice blokes. I had taken them all out for a Desert Safari and a Barbecue dinner after the hunting exhibition, but this was in 2000, quite a few years ago.

THis drilling was a rifle / shotgun combo. Two triggers ( regular like a shotgun ) with hammerless firing maechanism fired the 9.3 x 73 or 76 or whatever RIfle, the front trigger fired the 20 Bore shotgun barrel, and there was this hammer built on top with another trigger guard behing the main trigger guard which fired this 22 LR/ Hornet barrel whatever it was.

THe craftsmanship was brilliant, engraveing of high quality, but I am never a fan of drillings and have no use for them. But it was a creation of good art and excellent gunsmithing, thus I remembered. It was only sharing of knowledge that I mentioned this, that a combination of hammer and hammerless mechanishms is used in drillings.

Instead of a drilling my usual solution is that during a forest beat, I have a lookout sitting behind me with our backs to each other and he carries a shotgun / 22 or RIfle for me and I simply take what I want from him. He also keeps a lookout for Leopards or other things creeping up from behind.

I have seen it. But if such ideas do not gel by Guru Grumpy's school of thought simply because he did not view this in person, and calls my claims BS and posted a few things that have perhaps been censored, that's fine by me. His believing or not believing is not going to stir a single hair on the back of my palm. Do I care much about him or what he says about me ? Not at all.

[shooter]

do you have leopards in dubai?

[shahid]

Yes we do have, the Arabian Leopard, rare now but it lives in the Hajjar mountains around here. Its reach extends 2500 km from here to Yemen. Please do not pursue this Leopard subject further on IFG for obvious reasons

[Mack The Knife]

Shahid,

IFG isn't against hunting where it is legal to do so.

Mack The Knife

[Hamdhingra]

Hi,
These external hammered guns are a sin. Give them to a novice who can not control adrenalin and its Ok. But with people who live by outdoors and in the bush its pure sin. let me narrate my experiences with a Hollis Special.
First standing on a ledge and the butt rested on my foot-lighting a cigerette-viewing area below and two dogs playing one another hit against me. gun slips down-external hammers hit the edge and both barrels go off.Fortunately -No damage anywhere.
Second: Jump across a fence -was wearing an army long coat - bulky stuff- and the gun fired. no injuries to anyone but realised that this was going to happen if you were to hunt with this gun.gave it up eventually.
Are they still in vogue -i have not seen any
WW...hamdhingra

[Grumpy]

I have any number of hammer guns about the house - at least a dozen - and NOT ONE will discharge if dropped with the hammers cocked. The only way that the hammers will fall is if the triggers are pulled.
So you jump a ditch carrying a cocked and loaded gun ? Obviously you have a suicide wish.
I suggest that you read some manuals on handling and gun safety because one of the first things that you need to learn is that when traversing ANY obstacle you break the barrels. Similarly you never lean a loaded gun against a wall, fence, whatever - you always break the barrels.
There`s nothing wrong with hammer guns - British hammer guns anyway. Poor maintenance and poor safety practice is not the fault of the gun but the fault of the user.

[Hamdhingra]

Hi,
You have missed out on safety - The guns were not cocked.Cocked they do not fire off. The cocking heads of hammers break but they will not move forward.Now try your guns without cocking and see how far forward the hammer moves to fire off. and it does fire off. Now suppose this fact is wrong then remember this is my experience with a Hollis Special Burmingham , England. You can try it yourself. Maybe it was a bit worn out -I was 19 then - Maybe there are better and safer guns with you but my exprience is only limited to the gun I state.Pl tell me if the mechnism is the same or different in the many hammered guns that you own. Atleast I will not fear hammered guns anymore .When My Dad sold this gun -I had no objection !
WW...Hamdhingra

[Hamdhingra]

Grumpy,
this gun was allotted to us from Punjab armoury - as also I know that to inspect the firing pin one has to press the trig and push the FP forward.
But this is now - to this day never thought that it could have been a manipulated defect -but it appears the gun was mighty done up.It never misfired or showed any sign of being done up.However Pl do check on your hammered guns and speak - my guns Model was 1918.
Cheers WW...hamdhingra