Russian made AR-15 Kurbatov arms

[russianshooter]

In Russia make AR-15 too
I think today have 5 manufacturer in Russia who make 100% build Russian AR-15
some parts (stocks grip) may be import (CAA FAB other)
New manufacturer Kurbatov Arms looks like foto cost 2000 USD

[Vikram]

Very interesting. Have you tried them? Can civilians own them in Russia? The price does not look bad.

[russianshooter]

Civilian own them. yes I tried 3 russian AR 15 quality good

[xl_target]

The price is crazy.
Basic AR-15's are going for about $500 USD right now.
For example, you can buy a Ruger AR556 for about $459 right now.
The last AR-15 I built cost me $299 less the lower receiver.
Sure there are high end AR-15's that cost a lot more but any AR-15 made to milspec tolerances is a decent AR.

examples:
16" mid length kit (less lower receiver)
midlength lightweight kit (less lower receiver)

[russianshooter]

Sir in US original russian AK (Not chinese romanian serbian and other junk) cost 1000-2000 USD, Vepr 1500-3000 USD, Original full-auto AK 15000-25000 USD
In Russia original AK cost 180-250 USD (New!)
Understand me?

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This Russian AR-15 rifle I think making 100-200 in month
If make 10000-30000 in month i think price of this AR-15 rifle 500-600 USD

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and "examples" old price 800 USD barrel no chrome
In Russia all of cartridge steel and corrosive resources of this barrel this cartridges 1500-2000 shots (Barnaul, Tula, Amur, LVE)
I think "examples" peace of junk

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Custom civil russian made AR-15 (GM-15) (SKAT company) are made only under the order (wait 4-5 mouth)

[xl_target]

I'll probably never own an AK47 or an AK74. I just have no desire to own one.
I'll probably never own a full auto rifle. It is fun to shoot them occasionally but if I owned one, I couldn't afford to feed it.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your Russian AR's.
I'm just saying that with the volume of guns sold in the USA and the current mass production techniques, the price of an AR-15 has dropped significantly.

As far as the examples that I provided being junk, my requirement for a firearm is that it go bang every time I pull the trigger and that it hit what I'm aiming at. If an inexpensive firearm can do that, why would I spend three times the cost of that firearm to get the same level of performance. Today's mass produced AR-15's are reliable and their accuracy easily exceeds that of most of the shooters wielding them.
Granted, specialized rifles exist that require a large investment but for the average shooter, there is nothing wrong with the vast majority of $500 AR-15's on the market today.


Chrome lining in commercial AR-15 is gradually becoming a thing of the past.
Everyone is going to Nitrided barrels now.
It provides corrosion and erosion protection of the bore that equals or exceeds Chrome lining without the disadvantages.
It is a metal treatment rather than a surface application and some sources say that it exceeds the durability of Chrome by a significant margin.


You're correct, we don't shoot corrosive ammo here but quite a few people shoot steel cased/steel cored Russian ammo as it is the cheapest ammo out there. It is also non-corrosive. I can't say anything about the other brands you mentioned but the Tula ammo we buy here is non-corrosive. If they still sold corrosive ammo here, no one would buy it.

In the US, competitive shooters shoot thousands of rounds a year and nitriding barrels has become quite popular.
Also keep in mind that with the large amounts of ammo shot by competitive shooters, barrels have become consumables.
The cost of a new barrel is a pittance compared to the cost of the ammunition shot through it. The cost of the ammunition shot through my personal AR-15's easily exceeds that initial cost of the rifles themselves. By the time my barrels are shot out, I will have fired ammunition through them that cost orders of magnitude more than the cost of the initial rifle. A $3000 rifle won't give me that much more barrel life to be worth the initial investment.

[russianshooter]

Sir in Russia I shoot from AK-74 (saiga or other) 15000-25000 round per year
1 round = 5-7 cents and I dont care corrosive this or not
My AK rifle cost maximum 400 usd if this rifle breaks down i dont repair this,I buy new and shoot again
"carbonitrium barrel technology" its good for brass ammo not steel ammo.Steel ammo resources of this barrel maximum 3500 shoot
Many people in Russia who buy and import AR rifle change import barrel to russian made AR-15 barrel (service cost change 500-900 usd)

In Russia AR-15 using for sport basically, IDPA and other

Then if your need "low price" AR-15 in Russia your may buy Chinese made Norinco CQB price 1200-1400 USD (Not "kit" all AR-15 rifle (chromium plate barrel) + 3 magazine 30 round - including this price)
In Russia slang - "chinarka" - "china - AR - ka"

[xl_target]

"Chinarka"! I like that.
We can't buy Chinese arms here.
Bill Clinton banned them when he was President.

Just for kicks here are a couple of videos on the "junk" Palmetto AR-15's


Here is a test on PSA's AK variant also for under $500


The point is that they just work.
AKOU is a well respected channel but there are many other channels that have done similar tests.

[russianshooter]

US made AK meltdown - "good quality" what


Russian made AK meltdown - its really good quality!


JUNKAR - meltdown Really junk!


And Ar-15 meltdown - not 500 usd AR! more good quality! but its - junk


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and humor Woodpeacker AR 22 lr

[Vikram]

Sir in Russia I shoot from AK-74 (saiga or other) 15000-25000 round per year
1 round = 5-7 cents and I dont care corrosive this or not

You are a lucky man. Here in Georgia, your neighbour, rifles cost NOT a lot more but the ammunition costs are prohibitive. At least to my tastes. Glad that you are able to enjoy your sport.

[russianshooter]

Sir in Russia I shoot from AK-74 (saiga or other) 15000-25000 round per year
1 round = 5-7 cents and I dont care corrosive this or not

You are a lucky man. Here in Georgia, your neighbour, rifles cost NOT a lot more but the ammunition costs are prohibitive. At least to my tastes. Glad that you are able to enjoy your sport.

Sir in Georgia good gun law I tnink small better then Russia

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Ammo yes more high price in Georgia

[Vikram]

Sir in Russia I shoot from AK-74 (saiga or other) 15000-25000 round per year
1 round = 5-7 cents and I dont care corrosive this or not

You are a lucky man. Here in Georgia, your neighbour, rifles cost NOT a lot more but the ammunition costs are prohibitive. At least to my tastes. Glad that you are able to enjoy your sport.

Sir in Georgia good gun law I tnink small better then Russia

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Ammo yes more high price in Georgia

Gun laws are fine but costs of shooting rifles and pistols is expensive. As a foreigner, I need a letter from my government to get a license.

[russianshooter]

Gun laws are fine but costs of shooting rifles and pistols is expensive. As a foreigner, I need a letter from my government to get a license.

Sir in Russia if your are no citizen = no weapon
Gun only! for Russian citizen
Foreigner not get a license!
For citizenship need russian language and 3 or 5 years leave in Russia
But if your russian citizenship for naturalisation in Moscow may give license no problem,some other territory shotgun - ok ,but if your go to police station and ask him i need 5 license to buy rifle (AK AR SVD and other "assault weapons") I think police officer dont give your no one (its discrimination I now but its be many region of Russia)
"traumatic pistol" license - Wasp Makarich other staff no problem
"Cold weapon" license - dagger dirk sword no problem need a "Hunting license" and buy how many your need
Weapon only special tools - dagger sword
Other knife may buy with no license and carry what your want
For Russian law Legal knife (not weapon)- butterfly knife with blade to 9 cm,automatic knife (swithblade) with blade to 9 cm and many many other

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If blade of knife (batterfly and swithblade) more 9 cm and your carry in pocket this knife its not big problem have administrative penalty to 30 usd for this and may go

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In India I think have discrimination to foreigner
If I go to India and I want to get citizenship think need 5-15 year and lot of money to this
Its more stronger then Austria Germany and Liechtenstein

[xl_target]

US made AK meltdown - "good quality" what


Russian made AK meltdown - its really good quality!


JUNKAR - meltdown Really junk!


And Ar-15 meltdown - not 500 usd AR! more good quality! but its - junk?


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and humor Woodpeacker AR 22 lr

The first video is of a WASR10 (imported by Century Arms). It is NOT made in the USA. It is made in Romania.

The second video. The barrel droops. "I cant kit the broadside of a barn from inside the barn but 'is good rifle' "

The third video : The aluminum gas tube pops, as designed, protecting the barrel and by extension, the shooter. Junk?

The thing is that these are not heavy machine guns. They are not even light machine guns.
Both the M-16 and the AK47 are assault rifles and are not designed for sustained full auto fire.
The laws of physics are a constant. Neither the Russians nor the Americans can circumvent them.
If you heat a light barrel to that extent, something is going to give.

There is a reason that most countries still run LMG's and heavy machine guns instead of using their Assault Rrifles in that role.
Even dedicated machine guns have to have their barrels changed out constantly with sustained MG fire.

[russianshooter]

Woodpeacker AR some cool) - for woodpeackers