'Wrong Gun Used to Kill Man-eater' - The New Indian Express

[pradeep2374]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 337857.ece

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[Hammerhead]

Canadian Rangers just updated their polar bear gun to 308.

Who says 308 does not have a killing power, Corbrt used .275 for all his life.

Huh ........ EXPERTS ???

[GNV]

When the man eater was eliminated is the gun used or how many shots were fired important?

[xl_target]

That is a perfect example of mismanagement by the forest department. It is also very difficult to locate the animal using a STF rifle since it does not have a telescope,” Khan added

Say What?
I wonder how many man eaters were killed by Corbett using a scope?

[GNV]

That is a perfect example of mismanagement by the forest department. It is also very difficult to locate the animal using a STF rifle since it does not have a telescope,” Khan added

Say What?
I wonder how many man eaters were killed by Corbett using a scope?

OR Kenneth Anderson

[essdee1972]

SOPs? They are the first to fly out of the window when SHTF!

[StampMaster]

Caliber of the gun is also important to follow hunting ethics. And the game is killed clean (in one shot, and does not take much time and pain for the animal to die).

For god sake, who is trained in all this aspects in India? Not even a handful people know this and with so much of restriction and bureaucracy around can we imagine the STF personnel who was asked to shoot the animal could go back to his reporting office and say "sir, I need ABC bore gun to kill the animal"?

[GNV]

When killing a man eating tiger hunting ethics don't count. All that matters is eliminating it not how many shots it took etc is plain crap. If someone does it with a ML gun or a handful of arrows that would be fine too. Here it is just killing an animal which is a proven threat to the people in that area. In Russia even the highly endangered Siberian tiger would be killed if it repeatedly enters human habitat and kill live stock. Only people living in the shadow of a man eating tiger would fully understand the terror it creates. I am a true conservationist in heart and practice but not foolish enough to say that man eating tigers should be tranquilized and kept in captivity. Once a man eater always a man eater. And human life is far more valuable than a tiger's life even if that tiger is the very last one in wild. Now a days killing a man eating tiger is a sad thing to do but it was and is always a thing that needs to be done.

[TwoRivers]

Caliber doesn't mean a bloody thing if the hit is not in the right place. Bullet placement is what counts, not bullet diameter. Bullet performance is second in importance; the rest matters little. A scope would most likely be a hindrance under the circumstance. Eliminating a dangerous animal is not a target shoot.

[to_saptarshi]

Caliber is not important but the placement of shot is what counts here. You can shot with a .400/450 Double Jeffery and it would do nothing if not placed correctly.

Cant agree more with TwoRivers

[marksman]

The caliber is not as important but the bullet design is.Sadly most attached to GOV'T. forces do not know the fact that the construction of bullet plays a vital role in bringing the culprit to book. Animals do not come under NATO PACT of bullet design. A properly placed soft nose can end the turmoil both for the hunter and the hunted much sooner. The ball ammo used by military, para military and forest dept. Is as per NATO Pact I.e. primarily to maim the opponant out of action and in turn give him a chance to survive. Well...the rules change when it comes to a marauding beast or a man eater.
Marksman

[PeterTheFish]

Looking at the pics, it's quite clear this was a proficiency issue, not a caliber one. A .308 is certainly capable of taking all but the largest of game humanely, in the hands of a competent shooter.

It was in the news last year here that a hiker killed a bear with a puny .380 and a well placed shot (or three).

[mundaire]

Mr. Khan is probably unhappy as he was not called in.

[tamancha]

Dear Sirs,
The topic wrong gun used to kill a man eater has the majority of replies that the heavy caliber is not important to kill a man is adequately true. If a shot is taken in the most subtle point to succumb a man eater with a low caliber rifle it works excellently . Actually the most fatal shots are always in the three areas that are respectively chest box, neck and head but the penetration should be accurate. I remember Jim Corbett’s ‘ The bachelor of Paulagarh’ the biggest tiger he shot in his life, he shot him from only the meager distance of two feet in his head but he survived for a long time because the killing injury did not occurred. Corbett investigated the areas of ambush and he found the skull pieces there but the tiger had taken a hide nearby for a long time. There is huge difference between stopping power and killing power of a rifle. Many prominent theories about killing power seem to equate one or more of the following with big game killing power:
• High velocity ("hydrostatic shock")
• Shock
• Bullet diameter
• Bullet weight
• Kinetic energy
• Momentum
• Relative Stopping Power, OGW, and killing power formulas
• Bullet terminal performance
• Bullet placement
• Other (dwell time and other arcane theories).
The relation of Stopping power in reality pertains with heavy caliber and it requires importantly when the hunter is on feet. As we see the shooters on the machan and they have enough scope to shoot with the gun on the most fatal organ but they failed to perform accordingly. Last month in Baharaich district of U.P a wild bear entered in a village and killed three people, finally the U.P STF killed the bear after firing 40 bullets. The bear was charging towards the gun men and they were firing bullets madly with their INSAS and self loading rifles, but rarely any bullets hit perfectly at any subtle point. So any good soft nosed caliber bullet which hits at an accurate soft point takes the animal in a final slumber.
Regards

[Hammerhead]

Dear Sirs,
The topic wrong gun used to kill a man eater has the majority of replies that the heavy caliber is not important to kill a man is adequately true. If a shot is taken in the most subtle point to succumb a man eater with a low caliber rifle it works excellently . Actually the most fatal shots are always in the three areas that are respectively chest box, neck and head but the penetration should be accurate. I remember Jim Corbett’s ‘ The bachelor of Paulagarh’ the biggest tiger he shot in his life, he shot him from only the meager distance of two feet in his head but he survived for a long time because the killing injury did not occurred. Corbett investigated the areas of ambush and he found the skull pieces there but the tiger had taken a hide nearby for a long time. There is huge difference between stopping power and killing power of a rifle. Many prominent theories about killing power seem to equate one or more of the following with big game killing power:
• High velocity ("hydrostatic shock")
• Shock
• Bullet diameter
• Bullet weight
• Kinetic energy
• Momentum
• Relative Stopping Power, OGW, and killing power formulas
• Bullet terminal performance
• Bullet placement
• Other (dwell time and other arcane theories).
The relation of Stopping power in reality pertains with heavy caliber and it requires importantly when the hunter is on feet. As we see the shooters on the machan and they have enough scope to shoot with the gun on the most fatal organ but they failed to perform accordingly. Last month in Baharaich district of U.P a wild bear entered in a village and killed three people, finally the U.P STF killed the bear after firing 40 bullets. The bear was charging towards the gun men and they were firing bullets madly with their INSAS and self loading rifles, but rarely any bullets hit perfectly at any subtle point. So any good soft nosed caliber bullet which hits at an accurate soft point takes the animal in a final slumber.
Regards

I'm reading the whole thing few times over but could not reach to the conclusion of the whole thread .

Jim shot that man eater in rush and he admitted his mistake all over his writing, that one thing.
But how you are correlating the whole story with this kill ?

Problem with people ( me too ) is relying on misinformation and reacting without knowing or trying to go to reality .

We hunt or teach other people, end of the day if you are not putting the shot where it's needed and taught to you
You will face the man eater in no time. We seen the Cecil story plaid right in front of our eyes. That dentist missed the first
Shot but here in this case, man eater is dead at the spot and out of action, so how is whole thing going on for that long ? Beyond me !!!