AARMR Hurricane Model 15. First Impressions. Picture Heavy

[Maheshzarkar]

Seek advise here. Would Percihole NX 100 Scorpius .22 would be the second best thing here....

Hi Main

I am a novice...and may not be able to tweak ARS. What an opinion whether I opt for Hurricane or the percihol NX 100 Scorpius .22.

My first AR may be my last. So need advise to buy best one at cheapest cost.

[GNV]

The present trigger is no good. Wait for the 2 stage trigger to appear and then some more time for the bugs that would be found in the 2 stage trigger to be sorted out and then buy the AR if you want. The present trigger acts more or less like a heavy single stage direct engaging sear trigger. And also very inconsistent.

GNV

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@ Maheshzarkar,

In real life CHEAP & BEST is never possible. If this purchase is going to be the only AR you would buy, then go for the PH NX-100 and you would not be disappointed. or go for PH SX-100 if you like a traditional springer instead of Nitro Piston. Both are the BEST presently in Indian ARs though not cheap.

GNV

[main13]

Seek advise here. Would Percihole NX 100 Scorpius .22 would be the second best thing here....

Hi Main

I am a novice...and may not be able to tweak ARS. What an opinion whether I opt for Hurricane or the percihol NX 100 Scorpius .22.

My first AR may be my last. So need advise to buy best one at cheapest cost.

Scorpius is a good weapon, but more expensive. I have also heard of some issues with its nitro gas ram leaking oil & losing power & stuff like that. Its factory tuned so little scope for further enhancement of performance. Its still a good gun but needs more care & investment.

Hurricane is very cheap at half the price of PH, excellent machining, very sturdy also (I said elsewhere, you can use it as a golf club/battering ram too! ). Power is slightly more than PH. Accuracy roughly the same. Lot of scope for future modifications. Will last a very long time with minimum hassle for sure.
Personally I prefer spring airguns for shooting than nitro ones.

Downside of Hurricane is that its still in the process of development. So future models will feature more addons. Those will be 'add ons' than 'integral' so you can get them later, take your gun to any civilian gun store & their bandook mistri would do it for you for a minimal price.
Or as you learn to shoot & read more about weapons, that confidence builds & improvising a homebuilt spring compressor with a car jack & getting some moly paste should be very easy after a few days' shooting!

[kshitij]

The present trigger is no good. Wait for the 2 stage trigger to appear and then some more time for the bugs that would be found in the 2 stage trigger to be sorted out and then buy the AR if you want. The present trigger acts more or less like a heavy single stage direct engaging sear trigger. And also very inconsistent.

GNV

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@ Maheshzarkar,

In real life CHEAP & BEST is never possible. If this purchase is going to be the only AR you would buy, then go for the PH NX-100 and you would not be disappointed. or go for PH SX-100 if you like a traditional springer instead of Nitro Piston. Both are the BEST presently in Indian ARs though not cheap.

GNV

Also, it is always better to follow the advice of actual users to get an accurate feed back on any product.

Cheers.

[main13]

@MaheshZarkar, Others: If you're newbie & never shot a gun before, I would recommend buying a cheap gun & learning HOW TO SHOOT first! Its like a car - no point in buying a limousine when all you need is a set of wheels! IMHO you can buy either Hurricane or SDB Apache, learn how to shoot, THEN decide whether you want to buy a Precihole or Feinwerkbau. If I were you, I would first buy the Hurricane then a Feinwerkbau or Weihraukh - love them German guns, now that John Whiscombe has stopped his work!

As far as I'm concerned, I've been in touch with its manufacturer since before this thread came to happen & been helping them with its design all along. Personally I'm more of a big bore shooter. The love for airguns started only recently when some older acquaintance decided to gift me his Diana (the gun, not the girl sadly..) as a return-courtesy for some favour! Therefore I've never been in a hurry to buy it even though I discuss its minutest details with its manufacturer practically everyday. I will buy the gun only when it reaches the 'plateau' of its development, & that may take some time!

I was holding others back from buying the gun earlier since its powerplant was still undergoing constant modifications. Now that the powerplant has stabilized, you can go ahead & purchase the gun, just negotiate with them that you want the 2-stage trigger later on. That would be better instead of waiting for months for a trigger. A lot of firearms in the Indian market are single stage, most of guns in the army employ single stage triggers. So until you reach that stage where you graduate to a 'marksman' from being an average joe shooter, a 2-stage or even a match trigger & competition-quality ammo don't make no difference if you don't know how to hold the gun properly or how to breathe when aiming...!

[kshitij]

Hmm... for all the guys that are extremely keen on saving the few thousand by not buying the Precihole, there is some good news.
Precihole is soon coming out with economy models of their existing products which should match the price yet offer better quality than the what the competition has on offer.

[pratik_mahale]

The present trigger is no good. Wait for the 2 stage trigger to appear and then some more time for the bugs that would be found in the 2 stage trigger to be sorted out and then buy the AR if you want. The present trigger acts more or less like a heavy single stage direct engaging sear trigger. And also very inconsistent.

GNV

Added in 5 minutes 49 seconds:
@ Maheshzarkar,

In real life CHEAP & BEST is never possible. If this purchase is going to be the only AR you would buy, then go for the PH NX-100 and you would not be disappointed. or go for PH SX-100 if you like a traditional springer instead of Nitro Piston. Both are the BEST presently in Indian ARs though not cheap.

GNV

Also, it is always better to follow the advice of actual users to get an accurate feed back on any product.

Cheers.

Main13
You still not even shot a single pellet from this gun so on what basis you are suggesting this gun to other members.

[GNV]

@ Maheshzarkar,

If you are a novice and want to learn shooting then DON''T buy Hurricane. With its awkward stock, poor balance and heavy trigger you would never learn proper shooting Techniques the correct way. It definitely is not for beginners. Also if you buy this gun in the current or soon to be released new form for 8000 INR you still have to pay for the supposedly 2 stage trigger in development and other parts they may offer later if they succeed in making them ( The AARMR Sports wants to make and think they can make but when it comes to actually making they take a loooong time with their sophisticated CNC machines etc. And between designing/copying a good 2 stage trigger and actually manufacturing it in production run there would be a lot of prototypes made with many changes to sort out the bugs in them). Ultimately you may end up paying a lot more than INR 8000/-.I am waiting patiently for this 2 stage trigger to be made and available for sale because without a good trigger there is no joy in shooting this gun.

I have not handled a SDB Apache or Sport but from the feedback in the forum from those who used them they seem to be decent guns in their price range. However it seems they do need cleaning and proper lubricating of the internals. You can do it yourself if you have a spring compressor. And you can make a spring compressor for about 300/- rupees using some wood and a C - clamp. It is a must have thing for any Spring Piston AR maintenance and would last a life time. Please don't try to use improvised compressors using car jacks. A slip could result in a nasty injury. If the Apache is fitted with a synthetic piston seal then all you probably need to do is cleaning the internals and properly lubricate them. If it was fitted with a leather seal then you may need to have an adapter made to fit a synthetic seal like PH seal and any lathe machinist could easily make one for you and it wouldn't cost much.

Apache SE costs about INR 7000/- Plus shipping on kovibazaar.com. If you spend another 1000/- for Spring Compressor, Moly Grease and Piston seal modification ( if necessary ) you would have a decent AR which you would love to shoot for a long time.

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Hmm... for all the guys that are extremely keen on saving the few thousand by not buying the Precihole, there is some good news.
Precihole is soon coming out with economy models of their existing products which should match the price yet offer better quality than the what the competition has on offer.

Dear Kshitij,

If they keep the same trigger design and piston in the economy range also I can't see how they can economize.

GNV

[kshitij]

Hi GNV,
There will definitely be changes to some parts to control costs, but I wouldn't want to discuss the specs since I am not the spokes person for Precihole. Only passing on info so thats guys on a budget can make a more informed choice if they are ready to wait.
I guess the product will speak for itself as and when it is launched

And yes, as you rightly mention, based on the user reviews of the SDBs on the forum that too seems to be a good alternative in the budget price range right now.

[GNV]

Kshitij,

I hope they would not go back to direct engaging trigger and a piston with rod to cut costs and keeping the rest same. That would be taking a backward step.

GNV

[kshitij]

Kshitij,

I hope they would not go back to direct engaging trigger and a piston with rod to cut costs and keeping the rest same. That would be taking a backward step.

GNV

GNV,
If you have used Preciholes current products and have interacted with the man behind the company you too will have a fair idea of what can be expected from them.
Like i said, let the product speak for itself

Cheers.

[main13]

GNV Sir: I really wish that some senior fauji would take you for a morning 6km run with an LMG plus 1000rd ammo, then make you practice some shooting with the X-95, then finally make you fire 20rds of Vidhwansak AMR in standing position... You're so going to love it!

From what I remember the old trigger was short but performed satisfactorily. The new prototype trigger which I bugged the AARMR to build only for you turned out to be okay in pull-length but a bit too narrow for comfort! They tell me they have overcome both issues since.. hopefully the newer version will be to your satisfaction!
The two-stage trigger will take time due to all the testing that needs being done. Even new seal that they sent to you was the second prototype, since then they have tested out some 15+ more prototypes until they finally arrived at the satisfactory design. When you do something for the very first time, it usually takes time, especially if you have high IFGian standards to live up to.
Regarding weight - did you try inserting some counter-weights into the butt cavity? With the retractable butt mods in the works, the weight should balance out further. If you're really keen on "tilting the balance towards yourself", may I suggest taking it to a lathe machinist, shortening its 19" barrel a little then recrowning it. That should probably make it how you like it!

As far as the price is concerned, Hurricane comes next only to the IHP. AARMR guys are selling it at 8000INR inclusive of postage. The combined cost of Apache would probably work out more than the Hurricane. Also, as far as you told me they had sent you the replacements for free, much like PH, so I don't see how the cost is likely to increase further, except for the routine moly etc. That's why I asked people to 'negotiate' with them to send them the replacement parts later. Why else do you think I added that?!

As far as PH is concerned, its a good gun. But as you yourself know that even the mighty PH has had some issues. Higher price is its downside. Further I don't see how they're going to reduce their costs further without seriously compromising quality. As it is, its a very light gun with a polymer stock, plastic sights & the like. But as Kshitij said, lets wait for the gun before we jump to conclusions!

[ganeshn]

The new prototype trigger which I bugged the AARMR to build only for you turned out to be okay in pull-length but a bit too narrow for comfort! They tell me they have overcome both issues since.. hopefully the newer version will be to your satisfaction!

would like to know the specific inputs by you on this, do you have any idea of how the trigger internals look like.

[mundaire]

@Mahesh, a few months back I bought Precihole NX for my son. IMHO it's a great airgun for the price charged... You could do a lot worse.

Power levels (as per chrono) were in the 10.5 ft lbs range.

HTH

Cheers!
Abhijeet

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[Big Daddy]

Further I don't see how they're going to reduce their costs further without seriously compromising quality. As it is, its a very light gun with a polymer stock, plastic sights & the like.

Main13
If AARMR is 8,000 all-inclusive including shipping, a two stage trigger (in progress) and of descent quality coating (the ceramic coating) why do you feel an established AR manufacturer like PH cannot chun out good AR's at that rate??

BD