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Post by aadhaulya » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:15 am

ganeshn wrote:TCing and Engine tuning.
Ganeshn,

I can share the details of Turbocharging and Tuning. Both are very interesting subjects but I will have to start a different thread for that, as I can't hijack this thread.
I will try to create a writeup on these topics that may easily be understood by non automobile related persons also.

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Post by GNV » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:53 am

Big Daddy wrote: GNV,
what is the weight of the piston?

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300 gms

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Big Daddy wrote: GNV,
what is the weight of the piston?

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The transfer port is straight and not angled. In PH also it is straight. But long long ago I read that angled transfer ports are more efficient. But tampering with transfer ports is a delicate process and one needs to know very well what he is doing and how to do it, I think. If one makes a mistake it would be irreversible I think. But transfer port modifications is an important one to fine tune an air rifle.But I would not tamper with them unless I am willing to junk the gun if I fail.

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Post by jatindra Singh Deo » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:01 am

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Post by ganeshn » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:07 pm

aadhaulya wrote:
ganeshn wrote:TCing and Engine tuning.
Ganeshn,

I can share the details of Turbocharging and Tuning. Both are very interesting subjects but I will have to start a different thread for that, as I can't hijack this thread.
I will try to create a writeup on these topics that may easily be understood by non automobile related persons also.

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Sounds great, Happy Diwali to You all the IFG'ns :D

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Post by main13 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:12 pm

(Belated) HAPPY DIWALI gentlemen! Hope you'll had an explosive & fun filled diwali! :)
Pardon my late wishes, too much of family time makes Warrior a dull man! :mrgreen:
Big Daddy wrote:One of the most common mistakes, if not the most common mistake made is the assumption that a larger spring produces more power. It's a very delicate balance between various moving parts of the gun, their dimensions and weight. A lighter spring that is better balanced WILL produce more power than a big bully spring.
The first step to making a gun better is to look in to reducing friction between moving parts. Transfer port length, Transfer port diameter, piston weight...etc play a major role.
These guys have done what can be reasonably expected of an Indian AR manufacturer to reduce friction. They've added a rear seal to the piston to reduce friction instead of nylon bearings which they said they couldn't do in production.
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Can the seniors pls elaborate on the various factors that come into play in fine tuning a gun?
How does the transfer port length-dia ratio affect the gun efficiency?
Piston weight is 300g & stroke 84mm as reported by GNV Garu.

Is there an airgun tuning thread somewhere in this forum? Something that deals with every little aspect of gun design?

Also, now the tech guy says he's had his Eureka moment & has isolated the problem.. But calls it a 'trade secret' & says will update in production run models only... :shock:
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Post by jatindra Singh Deo » Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:10 pm

main13 there area lot of threads I have seen over a period of last 3-4 years that I have seen which discuss the variables of Spring gun tuning ,including the points you have mentioned ,in the Airgun and gunsmithing sections respectively by Brihaji ,PKJeetesh and lot of other members .There is no consolidated thread for the same .May be if I recall and find will share .

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Post by GNV » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:06 pm

main13 wrote:
These guys have done what can be reasonably expected of an Indian AR manufacturer to reduce friction. They've added a rear seal to the piston to reduce friction instead of nylon bearings which they said they couldn't do in production.
IMG-20151104-WA0002.jpg
Also, now the tech guy says he's had his Eureka moment & has isolated the problem..But calls it a 'trade secret' & says will update in production run models only... :shock:



So we are the Guinea Pigs to try their prototypes on :lol:

There would be no secrets once the new gun is opened. Or are they welding the end cap to the receiver tube and want us to inject hydraulic fluid through the cocking slot to lubricate the gun :twisted:

It is not a seal. Just a rear bearing.

Are they willing to sell the updated parts to the early Guinea Pigs?

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Post by main13 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:19 pm

GNV wrote:So we are the Guinea Pigs to try their prototypes on :lol:

There would be no secrets once the new gun is opened. Or are they welding the end cap to the receiver tube and want us to inject hydraulic fluid through the cocking slot to lubricate the gun :twisted:

It is not a seal. Just a rear bearing.

Are they willing to sell the updated parts to the early Guinea Pigs?
GNV
Yes sir! They will sell you the updated components. If they don't Warrior Buddha loves "chewing off brains"... :twisted: ROTFL

Pls wait for their production models in a month so you can buy the refined stuff.. Or would commercially available Diana 48 tune kits would do?!

Somehow I doubt he has 'isolated' it.. Pours hydraulic oil into compression chamber & claims to 'isolate' the problem.. Yet not once said he, fixed the misaligned guide, he has... ;)

Technically speaking, dieseling can be introduced be lubing the pellets.. Or a drop into the skirt... Would that still affect the gun's powerplant? Somehow I don't quite like the idea of dieseling, don't know why...

He also said that the transfer port is 20mm long (step type). Said he wanted to reduce it to 10mm & use the extra for the stroke.. I suggested he use it to 'cone inwards' to avoid piston banging with light pellets...

What would be the advaadvantage of step type vs venturi type?

What spring would you suggest to replace its stock spring with.. Diana 48, .128"?!
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Post by Maheshzarkar » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:41 pm

Hi all

I am a naive..as compared to all you gun enthusiasts. But I liked Hurricane Mod 15. ..and it would be my first AR. Should I go ahead and buy it...as I have also read some reviews about new licence laws which will take AR also into its ambit....In such a case I need to buy in a hurry...seniors..Please advise. ..

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Post by main13 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:56 am

Maheshzarkar wrote:Hi all

I am a naive..as compared to all you gun enthusiasts. But I liked Hurricane Mod 15. ..and it would be my first AR. Should I go ahead and buy it...as I have also read some reviews about new licence laws which will take AR also into its ambit....In such a case I need to buy in a hurry...seniors..Please advise. ..
May I ask what is the 'hurry' about? ;)

If you wish you can go ahead & read up this thread, contains far more than required info for anyone to decide.
I happen to be in touch with its manufacturer. In my opinion you can wait a week or two before their production model comes out. I will be buying then only along with few others. You can join in. Or you can go ahead & buy it as is, it is by far the most powerful Indian manufactured AR as of now. Very accurate & quite sturdy as well. Good value for money overall.
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Post by GNV » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:10 pm

Wanted to do post lubrication accuracy and chronograph tests today. But the sky is heavily clouded and light is so low that chrony is not registering the shots. Hurricane in Bay of Bengal prevented testing the Hurricane :lol:

So since the stock of the Hurricane AR is already ugly and nothing I do would make it look any worse, I decided to see if I could make it more convenient for me to use utilizing my limited wood working skills. Have a few pieces of teak wood. So using a saw, Dremel Moto Tool, an Xacto Craft Knife set and Sanding Bars managed to make a Spacer to increase center pull length, Cheek Piece and a Pistol Grip attachment as shown in the photos. Filled the hollow butt with wood blocks so that cheek piece fitting screws will have solid anchor places and fitted the Spacer and cheek Piece in place. The pistol grip piece needs more shaping and sanding.
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When I removed the action from the stock I found that a protrusion on the cocking lever is cutting a deep groove in the receiver tube as shown.
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Filed the protrusion flat which also removed the ceramic coating in that area.
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Post by main13 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:39 pm

GNV wrote:Wanted to do post lubrication accuracy and chronograph tests today. But the sky is heavily clouded and light is so low that chrony is not registering the shots. Hurricane in Bay of Bengal prevented testing the Hurricane :lol:
Yup! About time too sir... ;)
So since the stock of the Hurricane AR is already ugly and nothing I do would make it look any worse, I decided to see if I could make it more convenient for me to use utilizing my limited wood working skills. Have a few pieces of teak wood. So using a saw, Dremel Moto Tool, an Xacto Craft Knife set and Sanding Bars managed to make a Spacer to increase center pull length, Cheek Piece and a Pistol Grip attachment as shown in the photos. Filled the hollow butt with wood blocks so that cheek piece fitting screws will have solid anchor places and fitted the Spacer and cheek Piece in place. The pistol grip piece needs more shaping and sanding.
Have you considered taking out the action & fitting it into a new stock?! If cocking effort is not a problem then a bigger .142" spring & custom guides could be added as well.

BTW the AARMR guy says his new synthetic guide fits properly & the alignment issue has been resolved, making it smoother.
When I removed the action from the stock I found that a protrusion on the cocking lever is cutting a deep groove in the receiver tube as shown.

Filed the protrusion flat which also removed the ceramic coating in that area.
These guys told me they've added nylon inserts to prevent the scratching. Any idea why they couldn't simply file off the extra metal?!
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Post by ganeshn » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:10 am

main13 wrote:
GNV wrote:So we are the Guinea Pigs to try their prototypes on :lol:

There would be no secrets once the new gun is opened. Or are they welding the end cap to the receiver tube and want us to inject hydraulic fluid through the cocking slot to lubricate the gun :twisted:

It is not a seal. Just a rear bearing.

Are they willing to sell the updated parts to the early Guinea Pigs?
GNV
Yes sir! They will sell you the updated components. If they don't Warrior Buddha loves"chewing off brains"1... :twisted: ROTFL

Pls wait for their production models in a month so you can buy the refined stuff.. Or would commercially available Diana 48 tune kits would do?!

Somehow I doubt he has 'isolated' it.. Pours hydraulic oil into compression chamber & claims to 'isolate' the problem.. Yet not once said he, fixed the misaligned guide, he has... ;)

Technically speaking, dieseling can be introduced be lubing the pellets.. Or a drop into the skirt... Would that still affect the gun's powerplant? Somehow I don't quite like the idea of dieseling, don't know why...2
He also said that the transfer port is 20mm long (step type). Said he wanted to reduce it to 10mm & use the extra for the stroke..I suggested he use it to 'cone inwards' to avoid piston banging with light pellets...

What would be the advaadvantage of step type vs venturi type?
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What spring would you suggest to replace its stock spring with.. Diana 48, .128"?!

1 - not sure whose brains you are chewing.
2 - then why bother about Dieseling, unless you want to constantly enlighten Aarmar techie.
2,3 - stop playing the guru and a shishya in the same line.

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Post by main13 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:35 am

ganeshn wrote: 1 - not sure whose brains you are chewing.
2 - then why bother about Dieseling, unless you want to constantly enlighten Aarmar techie.
2,3 - stop playing the guru and a shishya in the same line.
Upset you seem with me! Chew your brain I wouldn't, a vegetarian I am! ROTFL

Jokes apart, I report stuff as is, with minimal 'interpretation' on my part. The objective is to keep the interested people updated. I don't see why that should offend anybody. I'm here to learn & simultaneously do what I can to help others. If anybody has a problem with others, they can ping people directly.. Bad idea to create an unwarranted mess in the wrong place IMHO.
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Post by kshitij » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:54 am

GNV wrote: So since the stock of the Hurricane AR is already ugly and nothing I do would make it look any worse, I decided to see if I could make it more convenient for me to use utilizing my limited wood working skills. Have a few pieces of teak wood. So using a saw, Dremel Moto Tool, an Xacto Craft Knife set and Sanding Bars managed to make a Spacer to increase center pull length, Cheek Piece and a Pistol Grip attachment as shown in the photos. Filled the hollow butt with wood blocks so that cheek piece fitting screws will have solid anchor places and fitted the Spacer and cheek Piece in place. The pistol grip piece needs more shaping and sanding.
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GNV,
the stock looks much better now as compared to the original.
Look forward to the chrony results and it would be great if you could post some pictures of the groupings at whatever distances possible for you.

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IFG is an open forum, free for anyone to post anything as long as it is in line with the forum rules. Now, posting only legitimate facts and making only meaningful claims is not a forum rule, so I guess there isnt much you can do about it. Ignore as best possible :P
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