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Post by kshitij » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:44 pm

Chairgun is really helpful while shooting 50yards and beyond. For smaller ranges upto 30yards, you can follow a rule of thumb once you have your baseline set. Factors like wind and incline etc hardly come into play at these distances.
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Post by main13 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:13 pm

kshitij wrote:Chairgun is really helpful while shooting 50yards and beyond. For smaller ranges upto 30yards, you can follow a rule of thumb once you have your baseline set. Factors like wind and incline etc hardly come into play at these distances.
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Is there a software that can provide me rangefinding data via my cellphone camera or other still picture with appropriate height-of-object-at-distance input similar to PSO-style rangefinders built into the scope?!
Theoretically it is very much possible & in fact quite easy to accomplish with a little code...

There are four variables that are important in our calculations.

The size of the object (Y1)
The distance of the object from the lens (X1)
The size of the image on the sensor or the film (Y2)
The distance between the sensor and the lens (X2)

And there is an equation for our variables as: X1/Y1 = X2/Y2
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Post by Big Daddy » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:02 pm

The easy solution is to buy a laser meter. Got one from Bosh last or year before that. Some were between 2 to 3 grand. Don't exactly remember. Accurate and easy to use.

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Post by s_sharma » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:59 pm

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s_sharma wrote:Hi.
Today visited the shop and saw different models of hurricane. One with dovetail has 2 colors on cylinder: silver and dark gunmetal(black). Another model is with dovetail with and without flash suppressor.The one with flash suppressor can fire corks with explosives also. I have purchased black with dovetail just now. It is heavy but stout gun and will try my hands on it tomorrow. While carrying and handling it gives more a feeling of SLR than assault. The name of shop is Jaswant Singh & Co and the owner is Col. A. S. Puri 9356156466, a thorough gentleman. You can talk to him about delivery in UP but I think you have to send some declaration that this item is for personal use and not for sale in some form no.39.
Ahem! Different models.. with/without dovetail/suppressor.. Cork-with-explosive firing ability..??! :shock: Pardon my ignorance but I didn't know we were buying incendiary weapon..! Pity they didn't provide a UBGL..! :lol: Please enlighten me about it some more? :shock: :shock: :shock:

I have seen the black, without dovetail version myself. Don't know its ceramic coated or not! & FLASH SUPPRESSOR??! I guess you meant muzzle-weight..?! Flash suppressors are for firearms; muzzle weights balance muzzle climb due to recoil, increasing accuracy..

I would also like to hear more about the model without muzzle weight.. Does it have the usual front sights or different one? What about its accuracy & recoil vis a vis the model with weight?

They have tried to marry a PSG-style butt with an assault rifle lower-receiver grip but perhaps forgot to factor in the absence of a magazine, hence the forward-weight imbalance... My two cents! :)

As far as the delivery is concerned, Form 39 is NOT required, nor any such BS declaration! Its a drama perpetrated by their pet FedEx courier fellow taking too much airs.. :lol:
I've sorted this matter out for them brilliantly naive Punjabis after surviving a lot of 'Sarkari Atyachar'... :| You can now call the AARMR babe-with-awesome-voice & she will happily send you the gun with no nonsense, via DTDC... :wink:

I had told the AARMR babe who picks up the phone to talk to DTDC, First Flight & other couriers about it.. but she didn't & claimed they were all asking for it! :| So I had to run from pillar to post in the Sales Tax office, chasing babus & pestering 'Bade Sahibs'! What I finally found was that as far as sales tax/commercial tax walas are concerned, they won't bother you for anything up to 50-60 thousand, AS LONG AS IT IS ACCOMPANIED BY INVOICE COPY... Their law (at least in UP) seems to state that no such forms is required for personal-use products worth upto 20,000. As you might well be aware of, the invoice value for this gun is around Rs 8000/-, so no need for such troublesome nuisance!

Right from the word go, they will do a gazillion dramas to even hand you the form, then ask you to prove that you're not going to use to kill their sorry ar*e or rob a bank... They will also ask you submit an affidavit to that effect, then ask you to prove you have not lied therein..! (pardon my French, I've had to tolerate this nonsense over the last few days while restraining myself from killing several dozen Tax-walas with my bare hands... :evil: :roll: :lol: )
What is even worse, Form 39 has a counterfoil which goes to the income tax deptt, besides (ideally) provision for a CTO (Central Tax Officer) to personally go & verify your address, ID, PAN Card, Bank Account Details & any other documents that the issuing officer (usually Asst. Tax Commissioner) might ask for to satisfy his distorted bureaucratic fantasies... So apart from your usual stuff you will have a BANDOOK-purchase showing up on your ITR... If it isn't a sarkari/police-wala nightmare in India..... ROTFL
GNV wrote:Senior and experienced shooters please advise me at what range shall I zero my scope for the pellet to cross the sight line first time.( for a 0.22" pellet travelling at 600 fps.).
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It is dark gun metal color cylinder, dark green barrel,and black stock and body.Power is excellent, aim without tuning is good even with ordinary pellets. Regarding its butts etc one gets accustomed after sometime. Yes it is heavy but one feel easy if he has handled heavy weapons previously.While handling one gets feel of SLR. Recoil is less, trigger light,easy to cock dovetail present and almost accurate to a novice.I think it is good indian product for hobby shooting.
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Post by main13 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:35 pm

s_sharma wrote: It is dark gun metal color cylinder, dark green barrel,and black stock and body.Power is excellent, aim without tuning is good even with ordinary pellets. Regarding its butts etc one gets accustomed after sometime. Yes it is heavy but one feel easy if he has handled heavy weapons previously.While handling one gets feel of SLR. Recoil is less, trigger light,easy to cock dovetail present and almost accurate to a novice.I think it is good indian product for hobby shooting.
You spoke about another silver coloured model without the muzzle weight & cork/explosive-shooting type..
What was that like?
Were the sights integral or detachable?
What 'explosives'/cork that could be fired; how did you load it into the barrel without damaging the barrel?
Hopefully it was of the same price?
Big Daddy wrote:The easy solution is to buy a laser meter. Got one from Bosh last or year before that. Some were between 2 to 3 grand. Don't exactly remember. Accurate and easy to use.
Well I'm a man of generally frugal habits! Don't find it a great idea to buy something that will give the range up to 30-50m only.. My desi rangefinding eye does a very good job of distance assessment upto 200-300m! :)

What I want is something that can give me distances & angles up to 1000m & beyond with just pictures off my phone camera with 10X zoom.. Or maybe perhaps a DSLR picture.. Or just the phone cam rigged with my scope! :)
The rangefinder in the PSO scope does an excellent job out to several hundred metres but gets less accurate at longer distances where the bullet speed is least & deflection-forces more pronounced.. A software can do the same precise calculations in no time...
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Post by s_sharma » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:07 pm

Sights are fixed.All models have almost same shape except one model with muzzle weight which is like flash suppressor having ventilation. This weight or flash hider is wide from front end where one can fix cork having explosive material. when one fire .22 pellet it strikes cork which in turn get blasted and move forward and smoke get exhausted from flash rider ventilation. I have not fired cork but .22 shot was excellent. I think these corks are available as diwali patakas as I think I have seen them somewhere recently. I had used them with my cork pistols when I was young. Price is almost same for all models. You can contact Col A S Puri 09356156466.

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Post by GNV » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:22 am

main13 wrote:
Well I'm a man of generally frugal habits! Don't find it a great idea to buy something that will give the range up to 30-50m only.. My desi rangefinding eye does a very good job of distance assessment upto 200-300m! :)

What I want is something that can give me distances & angles up to 1000m & beyond with just pictures off my phone camera with 10X zoom.. Or maybe perhaps a DSLR picture.. Or just the phone cam rigged with my scope! :)
The rangefinder in the PSO scope does an excellent job out to several hundred metres but gets less accurate at longer distances where the bullet speed is least & deflection-forces more pronounced.. A software can do the same precise calculations in no time...
That is great that you have a very good built in rangefinder in your eyes. You should forget about air guns and concentrate on big bore fire arm target shooting. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think this thread discusses the HURRICANE air rifle and not a sniper fire arm to shoot targets at 1km and beyond.

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Thanks for the information.Downloaded Strelok and trying to understand it.

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@ Moulindu,
Thank you for information about CHAIRGUN. Since I have a shooting Chrony and a digital weighing scale to measure the weight of a pellet, I find this software very useful to have a rough idea about the trajectory of a pellet.

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Post by moulindu » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:25 pm

main13 wrote:There are four variables that are important in our calculations.

The size of the object (Y1)
The distance of the object from the lens (X1)
The size of the image on the sensor or the film (Y2)
The distance between the sensor and the lens (X2)

And there is an equation for our variables as: X1/Y1 = X2/Y2
The formula seems interesting but how to determine
1) the distance between the sensor and the lens (X2) &
2) the ratio of image size compared to the zooming effect
Better cheap & effective idea will be to use this formula used all over the world for range finding
Distance(yds)= (Height of target (yds)/No. of mils covered)X(scope mag/10) X1000
Distance(mts)=( Height of target (mm)/No. of mils covered) X (scope mag/10)
The best idea will be to get a range finder, my range finder give me 5 to 400 & both in mts & yds :D
Still you want to get details of range finding & mildot to moa relation
https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... oi#p230401
In airgun shooting scope of error is minimal so rangefinding, wind estimation & shooting angle consideration is most crucial, even an error 1 yd at 60 yds can result in devastating drop from your poa. At times i take 1.5 mildot windage for wind at 50 yds for 5mph wind, that too if the wind doesnot change its course or dies inbetween.
GNV wrote:Thank you for information about CHAIRGUN. Since I have a shooting Chrony and a digital weighing scale to measure the weight of a pellet, I find this software very useful to have a rough idea about the trajectory of a pellet.
Chairgun is good for basic/reference shooting data, but i would suggest you to get hold of strelok+ app, as it can give you all the possible parameters that can spoil your shot & once you understand those parameters it will make you feel like superman. But first get savvy with strelok as strelok+ is a paid app.
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Post by main13 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:57 pm

GNV wrote: That is great that you have a very good built in rangefinder in your eyes. You should forget about air guns and concentrate on big bore fire arm target shooting. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sir sadly our guns laws are too bureaucratic & insecure to allow that... The army doesn't have a proper man-portable AMR & it badly needs one.. Yet our netas & babus are too scared of losing their usual cut on foreign deals & too afraid of the Fouj growing too powerful & kicking their corrupt butts..!
Being a farmer yourself, you must be having that rangefinding eye yourself too.. Don't you guess a plot size or tree height from half a km??! :D
moulindu wrote: The formula seems interesting but how to determine
1) the distance between the sensor and the lens (X2) &
2) the ratio of image size compared to the zooming effect
Its the basic lens formula upon which any other similar formula will be based. If you look carefully, mil ranging formula is an adaptation of this one to account for mils & zoom.
X2 is fixed for any lens.
Zoom can be either queried by the software or input by user..
The best idea will be to get a range finder, my range finder give me 5 to 400 & both in mts & yds :D
Still you want to get details of range finding & mildot to moa relation
https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... oi#p230401
Tell me your rangefinder costs five times as much as your rifle... :lol:
I want a general thing to extract useful information from even routine pictures I lay my hands on.. Can be very useful for me sometimes...
In airgun shooting scope of error is minimal so rangefinding, wind estimation & shooting angle consideration is most crucial, even an error 1 yd at 60 yds can result in devastating drop from your poa. At times i take 1.5 mildot windage for wind at 50 yds for 5mph wind, that too if the wind doesnot change its course or dies inbetween.
Yes windage is the hand of the devil in a shooter's world..! For distance shooting bullet ballistics, shot angle, spin, coriolis force, humidity, temperature, pressure, altitude, even the heartbeat comes into play.. Rifles are like girlfriends, using them well is about balancing the qualities of the head & the heart..! :lol:
Chairgun is good for basic/reference shooting data, but i would suggest you to get hold of strelok+ app, as it can give you all the possible parameters that can spoil your shot & once you understand those parameters it will make you feel like superman. But first get savvy with strelok as strelok+ is a paid app.
Regards Moulindu
Pls don't exorcise me for this but there are ways to get around that 'paid' problem.. Install aptoide from google play & use it to download full versions of whatever android software you want.. Its the piratebay of apps! :D :twisted:
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Post by ganeshn » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:29 pm

main13 wrote:
GNV wrote: That is great that you have a very good built in rangefinder in your eyes. You should forget about air guns and concentrate on big bore fire arm target shooting. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sir sadly our guns laws are too bureaucratic & insecure to allow that... The army doesn't have a proper man-portable AMR & it badly needs one.. Yet our netas & babus are too scared of losing their usual cut on foreign deals & too afraid of the Fouj growing too powerful & kicking their corrupt butts..!
Being a farmer yourself, you must be having that rangefinding eye yourself too.. Don't you guess a plot size or tree height from half a km??! :D
moulindu wrote: The formula seems interesting but how to determine
1) the distance between the sensor and the lens (X2) &
2) the ratio of image size compared to the zooming effect
Its the basic lens formula upon which any other similar formula will be based. If you look carefully, mil ranging formula is an adaptation of this one to account for mils & zoom.
X2 is fixed for any lens.
Zoom can be either queried by the software or input by user..
The best idea will be to get a range finder, my range finder give me 5 to 400 & both in mts & yds :D
Still you want to get details of range finding & mildot to moa relation
https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... oi#p230401
Tell me your rangefinder costs five times as much as your rifle... :lol:
I want a general thing to extract useful information from even routine pictures I lay my hands on.. Can be very useful for me sometimes...
In airgun shooting scope of error is minimal so rangefinding, wind estimation & shooting angle consideration is most crucial, even an error 1 yd at 60 yds can result in devastating drop from your poa. At times i take 1.5 mildot windage for wind at 50 yds for 5mph wind, that too if the wind doesnot change its course or dies inbetween.
Yes windage is the hand of the devil in a shooter's world..! For distance shooting bullet ballistics, shot angle, spin, coriolis force, humidity, temperature, pressure, altitude, even the heartbeat comes into play.. Rifles are like girlfriends, using them well is about balancing the qualities of the head & the heart..! :lol:
Chairgun is good for basic/reference shooting data, but i would suggest you to get hold of strelok+ app, as it can give you all the possible parameters that can spoil your shot & once you understand those parameters it will make you feel like superman. But first get savvy with strelok as strelok+ is a paid app.
Regards Moulindu
Pls don't exorcise me for this but there are ways to get around that 'paid' problem.. Install aptoide from google play & use it to download full versions of whatever android software you want.. Its the piratebay of apps! :D :twisted:
x2 can never be fixed else your own x1/x2 = y1/y2 will go for a toss.which is already in a precarious condition as the simplistic formula bodes well for single thin lenses and pin holes not for corrected multi element groups.

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Post by GNV » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:55 pm

Plinked some 150 pellets and measured MV s of some 12 different pellets. At the end of the plinking session found the scope mount shifted back. Going to strip the gun tonight. This gun definitely needs some tuning. Going to drill a hole in the dovetail for scope arrestor pin.

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Post by main13 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:11 pm

ganeshn wrote: x2 can never be fixed else your own x1/x2 = y1/y2 will go for a toss.which is already in a precarious condition as the simplistic formula bodes well for single thin lenses and pin holes not for corrected multi element groups.
Now I'm not a PhD in Physics nor am I here to argue about software coding, yet I did my engg only some ten years back which leads me to believe that a compound-lens formula won't be very different from the one above. This is also supported by the fact that the mil ranging formula is a variation of this one only...

My point was to demonstrate that its not very difficult to put into code, yet such a functionality doesn't seem to exist despite its usefulness IMHO.
GNV wrote: Plinked some 150 pellets and measured MV s of some 12 different pellets. At the end of the plinking session found the scope mount shifted back. Going to strip the gun tonight. This gun definitely needs some tuning. Going to drill a hole in the dovetail for scope arrestor pin.
About time for another stellar post sir! :) (y)
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Post by ganeshn » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:22 am

main13 wrote: Now I'm not a PhD in Physics nor am I here to argue about software coding, yet I did my engg only some ten years back which leads me to believe that a compound-lens formula won't be very different from the one above. This is also supported by the fact that the mil ranging formula is a variation of this one only...

My point was to demonstrate that its not very difficult to put into code, yet such a functionality doesn't seem to exist despite its usefulness IMHO.
point taken, but its about letting the right facts through and less about some one being right or wrong per se.
yet mildot ranging/estimation is based off very simple and totally different principle it has nothing whatsoever in common with optics, compound lens or smart phones.

tried some plinking today off hand with old school opensights at about 40m was consistently hitting the targets which was too much fun, but don't have a scope to do a scientific groupings.
here are my observations after some field use, it sounds pretty quite and gives off different signature which is desirable, the earlier edition of precipells(13.4gr) and crossman premiers(14.3gr) sound like ringers in this gun, they fit in the breach like dream.i have run out of newer precipell(15gr) n gsmith round heads(16gr) after a runaway plinking before this gun showed up.
apart from the extreme pull back trigger( a fundamental flaw, need a trigger mod to fix it to some extent ) i find the gun has right recesses to get a good grip to carry in the field and for cocking. it seems light to me to carry all day long even the cocking is light its only the last 40% gets little bit harder, not that i would break a sweat doing it all day.in fact this gun may have minimal preload.the stock is tough as nails but lacks meat at the fore grip area where screws grab the receiver so one needs to give attention how much torque you are getting to bear upon it. if you expect a good cheek weld forget it.the paint is prone to scratching and the ceramic thing sounds more of a misnomer.the gun definitely looks and feels better in person and you cant argue on the price either.the trigger is good and breaks light, but the trigger adjustment (part# 57 of schema) with the allen wrench has to be done after cocking the gun and removing the stock( in that order) and watching the middle sear slide out(caution: it can go off without warning!) through the hole in the trigger block, each adjustment need the gun to be re-cocked.
the receiver tube specs are 27.96mm ID and 83.80mm stroke and the spring is wire-3.2mm, OD-21.3mm, #coils-37, that holds promise of good power when tuned.

The barrel is the highlight of this gun apart from the excellent rifling the rear sight is sturdy and has no creep and offcourse the front is machined out of same block as the barrel and its for life, unless you put your mind to it :wink:
but i could not find a proper barrel crowning as we expect for a decently accurate shooter.
barrel closing takes minimal effort and shuts softly and firmly, was a totally different feel.breaking the barrel open takes a firm tap.

made up my own peep hole out of a waste wooden block, it aids to focus clearly on the target and sights simultaneously.
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Post by jatindra Singh Deo » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:11 pm

83 mm stroke !!!! :shock: That's larger than Beeman R1 stroke ! http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/07/ ... -velocity/

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