20 joules the limit for air guns....??

[SMJ]

"Now what to do with the airguns I have? I am thinking of gifting them to people I don't like much, and then dialing 100."
nice one Esdee

Silly question but - are these just the proposed changes made to the Arms act and which will be required to be passed in parliament or will they definitely be effective November onwards??

[mundaire]

Silly question but - are these just the proposed changes made to the Arms act and which will be required to be passed in parliament or will they definitely be effective November onwards??

These are not changes to the Arms Act 1959. The Arms Act defines a firearm as:

Section 2 (1)
(e) “firearms” means arms of any description designed or adapted to discharge a projectile or projectiles of any kind by the action of any explosive or other forms of energy, and includes ---

i. artillery, hand-grenades, riot-pistols or weapons of any kind designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other such things,

ii. accessories for any such firearm designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by the firing thereof,

iii. parts of, and machinery for manufacturing, firearms, and

iv. carriages, platforms and appliances for mounting, transporting and serving artillery;

This means that all types of airguns are firearms as far as the Act is concerned. However, at the time of notifying the Arms Act (in 1962), airguns were exempted from all provisions of the Act, via a notification in the gazette.

The new (draft) Arms Rules 2015, will change the status of airguns which exceed 20 Joules of energy OR exceed .177 calibre and treat them like any other firearm.

They are also proposing licenses for replicas, blank guns and paintball markers. The first two will require amendments to the Act for them to fall within the definition of a firearm as they DO NOT launch any projectile.

The new Arms Rules will come in to force the day the government notifies them via the official gazette. Once notified they will be placed before the parliament for approval (a mere formality).

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[brihacharan]

Brihaji, to answer those questions honestly will guarantee a spell as a guest of the sarkaar! The fact that you ask them is in itself a violation of the Sedition Act.

Now the question to be asked is, can we somehow get the same VIP treatment as a certain elderly actor? After all, an IHP 0.22 isn't a Type 56 assault rifle!

Now what to do with the airguns I have? I am thinking of gifting them to people I don't like much, and then dialing 100.

Briha

[A-Crossbow]

Now what to do with the airguns I have? I am thinking of gifting them to people I don't like much, and then dialing 100.

[aadhaulya]

What guarantee is there that the results / findings by the "Qualified" forensic experts are true / correct?????
With what kind of pellets would the 'forensic' experts use to check the power / energy levels?
What standards would they use to periodically calibrate the chronograph?
What about the quality & veracity of the chronograph used for testing?
What about the competence of the tester?
How many shots would be fired to take an average to establish the power?
As you know an AR has multiple / variable performance quotient - each one behaves differently with the same or different pellets ...this is a proven fact even by world experts!!!!!!
This entire issue "Yucks"!!!!!
Briha

Brihaji, these results do not matter. If the report is in your favour you have nothing to worry about. If not then you are free to go to court with your technical explanations.

Atul

[goodboy_mentor]

The new Arms Rules will come in to force the day the government notifies them via the official gazette. Once notified they will be placed before the parliament for approval (a mere formality).

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Will the opposition parties not play their role to stop the Bill from being passed? If the the both houses of Parliament do not pass the Bill, then the Notification will lapse and become equal to any piece of trash.

Does NAGRI or those in or around Delhi have any strategy to meet and educate the M.P.s about this and urge them why not allow the Bill from being passed?

This does not mean that those living in various parts of India should not contact the M.P.s. Each one of us be prepared to meet our respective M.P.s. How about taking material from the following post https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 30#p230480 Or it should be simplified so that the matter is comprehensible to the M.P.s?

[mundaire]

a) It is not a Bill, it is a notification of Rules. The power to make rules is vested in the executive, as per various sections of the Act itself
b) While the Parliament has powers of oversight, to review any rules the executive makes and suggest changes - these are practically almost never exercised.

NAGRI is doing its work to the best of its ability, NAGRI's strategy is not available for public dissemination - for obvious reasons.

Contacting and sensitising MP's is of course going to help immensely, as they can voice their concerns to the government and usually these concerns are looked into with a lot more seriousness, as compared to any feedback sent in by the general public.

[SMJ]

Abhijeet, thank you so much for explaining it. Well, I suppose we can only keep our fingers crossed and hope the powers that be realize how ridiculous these proposed changes are...

[goodboy_mentor]

mundaire, the power to issue Notification and power to make or amend Arms Rules are two different things. I would like to draw attention to Section 44 of Arms Act 1959. It clearly lays down the due process about how the Rules(the administrative law for implementing Arms Act 1959) can be made or changed. In the Section 44(1) the Parliament has delegated to the executive, the power to notify Rules. Section44(2) clarifies about the subject matter of Rules for administering/ implementing the Arms Act 1959. Section 44(3) clarifies that the power to make Rules in Section 44(1) is subject to the approval by both Houses of Parliament. In other words, even if one house of Parliament does not approve the Rules, the Notification to make or amend the Rules does not acquire the "force of law".

These Rules fall under the realm of subordinate legislation. The following documents discuss in details, like what procedure is to be followed, how they are passed by Parliament etc. at http://www.mpa.nic.in/mpa/Manual/Manual ... ter-11.htm and http://164.100.47.134/intranet/pract&pr ... r-XXIV.pdf

In order to scrutinize and ensure whether powers to make rules, regulations, bye-laws, schemes or other statutory instruments conferred by the Constitution or delegated by Parliament have been properly exercised within such conferment or delegation, a Committee called the Committee on Subordinate Legislation has been constituted under Rules 204-206 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Rajya Sabha. Details can be found at http://rajyasabha.nic.in/rsnew/practice ... _legis.pdf

[aadhaulya]

Am I correct in assuming that all AR's in caliber .177 and all other calibers not exceeding 20 joules, are excluded as per this rule?? Therefor like any other fire arm AR's also of any caliber with a manufacturers certificate of confirmation of it being less than 20 joules can be sold across the counter??

Atul

[Rijo Joseph]

first question:-Yes you are correct aadhaulya,
Second Question:- I don't think manufacturers certificate will help as you are free to modify your self. if you ran into a problem with this, you or police will get this certified in a gov. owned or approved forensic laboratory. In Kerala we have only one in Trivandrum.