target rifle vs sniper rifle

[shooter]

a good novel about snipers is point of impact by stephen hunter. though fictional, it gives a lot of insight into the world of sniping. incidently the movie 'the sniper' starring mark walberg is based on this boook.
hunter has also written other novels about sniping and shooting but the point of impact is the best and makes intresting reading for anyone intrested in rifles, sniping etc.

[Vikram]

Grumpster wrote "Vikram, I have this novel vision of you sitting in a back room in Coventry knocking off bootleg spiper videos...........................!
"

You are psychic, sir! How did you know that I have been "knocking off" bootleg cds?







Been waiting for the rain to stop and my net connection to straighten up.

Guys, the German sniper video is in the form of a CD.If someone PMs me, I can guide you to the source where you can get it.Free of cost of course.

Best-
Vikram

[Grumpy]

I don`t want to cast aspersions as to your shooting ability Vickers old fruit but I can`t help noticing that all the shoots in the first photograph are 3-4 inches ( or more ! ) below the CD and spread about 6 inches across........... I have to assume therefore that the shot that broke the CD was a lucky one...........or you hit it with a hammer !

[Vikram]

Good observation Grumpster!Your logic is impeccable.But, that was just one CD.I have been knocking off CDs.One at a time.


Best-
Vikram

[Grumpy]

Er........`Knocking off` in the context that I used it means to illegally duplicate. In the terms more common usage it means to steal - you can see how it morphed to the alternative meaning.
According to you, you`re illegally duplicating CDs `one at a time`..............I guess you`ll progress to large scale output when you`ve made enough money to buy the equipment ?!
Now here`s a thought Vikram: Why don`t you use a `X` of sellotape to affix the CDs - the tape will hold them together so that you can shoot at the bits.
I know blank CDs are cheap.......but cheaper than targets ? Why don`t you scan a pair of CDs on a sheet of A4 and then print off as many as you like. ( I`d suggest drawing targets but having seen your earlier efforts...............! - Haven`t you heard of a pair of compasses ? )

[guncrazy]

The best ans of this question can be a visual that is from the program " FUTURE WEAPONS" on discovery channel, 'AS-50' a sniper Rifle being manufactured by Accuracy Internationals, shoots accurately a target of fig-11 at 1800 mts. the program is aired every monday 0930 pm

[snIPer]

Sniper Training video can be dowloaded here - http://www.archive.org/details/Ultimate__Sniper

[eternalme]

I feel it was a term coined due to the effect a shooter has on the psyche of his targets, consider watching someone drop in front of you and with a hole in the head.

The expression would be 'snipped' from root word snip, and the cause of such an even would be called sniper.

[TwoRivers]

Sujay: Hitting a flying bird with a shotgun is indeed easier than with a .22 RF. But also a lot safer for people somewhere in the bullet's path. And shooting sitting birds, or birds on the water, is frowned upon in most places, if not illegal. I remember reading about a fellow who thought he had been stung in the back of the head by a hornet. When the lump persisted for a week he went to the doctor, and they took out a .22 RF bullet. In the US rifles are illegal for all waterfowl, though they were used before the laws were passed in the 1930s. Birdshot has a range of about 300 yards, and even at half that distance will hit you like a heavy rain or light hail; a .22 Rf would be another story. Shooting birds on the water with a rifle adds the danger of richochets. Large birds, such at the black cock, or capercailcie, are shot with rifles in the Scandinavions countries, and some of our states allow rifles for turkeys, though the trend has been towards specialized shotguns, concentrating on headshots at fairly close range. Wearing camouflage and calling the bird in. I don't think one shot in 10,000 could hit a flying bird consistently with a rifle, though most of us have probably tried it in our foolhardy youth. While Annie Oakley could probably do it, she used shot for her glass-ball breaking performances. First time I ever tried it, I got a rock pigeon in level passing flight with a .22, I won't tell you many times I shot holes in the air after that before I decided it was a total waste of ammo. Here we do shoot spruce and ruffed grouse out of trees with .22 RF, going for the head, as they won't fly in areas where they are not accustomed to people and are not hunted. Collecting something for the pot while hunting big game in remote areas. Cheers.

[nagarifle]

i don know what the fuss is all about. i am strong believer of long range sniping. 1k is not what am talking about. 15k is more like. now that is sniping. not in .50cal but in 105, know what i mean harry.

[Grumpy]

Hitting a man - or vehicle - directly at 15k with a 105mm would be `sniping`..........otherwise it`s just chucking a shell in the right direction.

[nagarifle]

i don't know grampy, never fired one. but been on the receiveng end, while training. just sounds fun to fire big guns,

as baldrik would say to capt blackadder, i send them far away where they lend is not my problem.

still it gives a new mening in long range sniping.

[TwoRivers]

Some more bits on this general topic. "A Rifleman Goes To War" by McBride is about WWI. Flobert catridges had no powder, only a good amount of priming compounds, what's now known as a CB Cap. As to the origin of the word "sniper", definitely nothing to do with the tasy little bird. There are really two distinct sniping roles, depending on doctrine and service branch. Sniping with heavy rifles with telescopes, employed from a hide at long distance emerged during the American Civil War. Directed at high value targets. That's the role the Marine Corps sees in the sniper. The other role is the battlefield sniper/dedicated marksman whose job it is to knock off squad leaders and up, take out machine gunners, etc., in a fluid situation. He is normally equipped with a standard service rifle with relatively low power telescope. Varmint hunter vs. deer hunter. The first hunts from concealment and carefully prepared position , waiting for his prey. The second hunts targets of opportunity on the move. The first snipers of this kind were probably the Jaeger troops of the German states, equipped with rifles instead of the smooth bore muskets common at the time. Cheers.

[TwoRivers]

In US usage, a 'bull" barrel is a heavy cylindrical barrel without taper. Cheers

[nagarifle]

the role of the sniper is most unfamiler one to the civi people of this world. the task of the sniper is not only taking a shot at long range while cam ed up as dog trud.

more importantly the role is of of intel gathering one on the battlefield by which the battle plans can be made.

in the USA, the marines, they have the term sniper/scout. i believe the implication is a duel one of sniping and scouting for info.

this is different role to the local combat unit marksman/sniper.