IOF .32 Pistol or Revolver - which is more reliable?

[timmy]

The issue is not just with the spring on the magazine. You would experience frequent jams due to the faulty design of the mags feed end, it does not come high enough to feed the ammo into the barrel. This need to be modified by a proper gun smith. So much for IOF products....

Farook, you asked why the weapons jammed in the videos you linked, and now you propose solutions to the problem…

What was the point of your question?

[farook]

The issue is not just with the spring on the magazine. You would experience frequent jams due to the faulty design of the mags feed end, it does not come high enough to feed the ammo into the barrel. This need to be modified by a proper gun smith. So much for IOF products....

Farook, you asked why the weapons jammed in the videos you linked, and now you propose solutions to the problem…

What was the point of your question?

The Agra jeweler had I believe an import pistol. Not sure which one it was. Anyone with first hand confirmed info on this please elaborate. Ashani is a decent pistol but with some flaws and drawbacks in the design factor. The mechanical modification include firstly the magazine, secondly the European bottom magazine release replaced with a push button above the trigger, proper sights set at 25 meters and may or man not want to unlock the barrel lock so as to make the pistol completely dismantle-able . The cosmetic changes would include better wooden grips, bluing and single or double colors tone....

[timmy]

Farook, I'm sure that's a fine answer to some question, but not to the one I was asking…

Whatever

[Peacefulguns]

Just possibly a real life incident which happened just a few days ago favours the revolver.

A rich businessman's son had an automatic pistol with him. When some blokes tried to kidnap him, he released the magazine in the confusion when he tried to fire. Result was he got lifted and his dad had to pay a handsome amount to get him back.

Plus one for the revolver?

[karmveer]

Peacefulguns

[timmy]

Just possibly a real life incident which happened just a few days ago favours the revolver.

A rich businessman's son had an automatic pistol with him. When some blokes tried to kidnap him, he released the magazine in the confusion when he tried to fire. Result was he got lifted and his dad had to pay a handsome amount to get him back.

Plus one for the revolver?

I would not use the example of a doofus as a data point for anything but a study of ineptitude. This son did not know how to operate the weapon properly under stress, something that is only achieved by practice, rather than sticking the thing in his pocket and thinking he has the world by the tail. So many -- too many -- people see a gun as some sort of magic talisman or good luck charm, and think that, just by waving it around, all of the goblins, trolls, and demons will scatter. A gun is, in fact, a tool, and like any tool, one has to know how to use it.

This bungler could just as easily have had a revolver and tripped the latch, allowing it to open. One thing I have seen in life, and that is, when you turn these types loose with something, the only thing you can have the slightest confidence about is that, perhaps, they can operate a small pebble correctly -- nothing else.

[Grumpy]

Ha ..... you don`t know just how much grief a small pebble can cause .......

[dsingh]

Every weapon has its own limitations pistol has more rounds but if u goes by stastics with 3 incidents one is assassination of Phoolan devi her bodyguard was a trained commando having 9mm pistol but assiliants with .32 bore webly revolver killed her despite return of fire by her bodyguard who fired 10 rounds pistol .Rounds of 9 mm jumped upwards due to high speed after 8 to 12 meters.2 Second incident is of USA where a killer armed with six shot revolver of .357 calire shot dead 3 policemen armed with pistols as bullets stuck in their pistols but 4th policeman used his personal revolver to kill the attacker .3 During naxal attack in one of police camp in orrisa severel police men were killed as it was agin the pistols which has problems but one policeman who survived has revolver and who used it and killed 3 of attackers.An U.S.A former commando expert Gurshant Singh gave useful tips on selfdefense on facebook he says he keeps .38 bore revolver despite ha has 9 mm ,45 calibre Pistols for selfdefense he gives reason an attacker will easily dismantle the megazine of Pistol in close fighting but with revolver there is no such problem,further he says for selfdense it is revolver which is better than autopistols pistols r offensive weapons even best of pistols gives problems like bullet stuck and jamming .Further many pistol owner while sharing their views have same experience.So revolvers r better in case of self defense .But every one has their own choice

[farook]

Another opinion in favor of revolvers



and something from the discussion board of our state rifle association


1> Loading is a heck of a problem in Revolvers, considering the spare rounds to be inserted on an open barrel after ejecting empty shells, vis-a-vis Pistols can be quickly loaded with pre-loaded magazines.
2> After every shot, the balance of a cylinder changes, effectively changing the balance of the revolver, because of empty shells on the right, thus affecting overall holding balance and changing recoil. In a pistol, as cartridges are fired, the emptying of the magazine is in a vertical direction, not impacting the left-right balance of the handgun.
3> Bigger the caliber, bulgier the barrel, making Revolvers a hopeless case to conceal although a compromise on barrel length may help, but to a very small extent. Pistol - may just grow a wee bit fat and have a magazine with fewer rounds...
4> The barrels of revolvers, especially of the bigger caliber ones, are known to develop a play. How it effects the loading, precision, leakage is all based on the user's stars. No such problem in Pistols.
5> Bigger caliber in revolvers warrant a bigger cylinder, and precision warrants a longer barrel, both making the majority of weight shift away from the user and his grip. In a pistol, the weight within the grip is pretty much it, resulting in a good hold. Try holding a hammer from either ends to understand the above.
6> With a simpler 'L' frame, the pistol can be remarkably more sturdy, both in terms of construct and balance. In a revolver, the construct requires a pretty odd frame with a square hold to holster the cylinder, with most revolvers having a separate barrel fixed to this frame on only one end. In simple engineering terms, the vibrations are carried more towards the muzzle end, while the breach area is held to the frame.
7> The grips on a Pistol can be changed to a large extent, given its basic design, thus making the hold and aim so much better. A revolver has limited changes in its grip design, making a proper grip a challenge.
8> Modern pistols have several advantages in terms of adding accessories, hugely owing to its construct, which is very difficult to do for revolvers.
9> Most pistols can be firmly held with two hands, with several having provisions for the non-firing hand to grip around the firing hand and the trigger guard. No such bountiful experience on a revolver.
10> The best advantage of a pistol is that the bullets are loaded into the barrel, which allows for much better accuracy and loss of power. In a revolver, the bullets stay out of the barrel, and only the projectile enters the barrel after the cartridge has exploded. In any scenario, the recoil has started the moment the cartridge explodes, and there is added shake to mar accuracy of a revolver, even before the projectile has started on its path!

[timmy]

1> Loading is a heck of a problem in Revolvers, considering the spare rounds to be inserted on an open barrel after ejecting empty shells, vis-a-vis Pistols can be quickly loaded with pre-loaded magazines.

Speed loaders are available for most revolvers and are quick and effective -- about on the par with changing magazines

2> After every shot, the balance of a cylinder changes, effectively changing the balance of the revolver, because of empty shells on the right, thus affecting overall holding balance and changing recoil. In a pistol, as cartridges are fired, the emptying of the magazine is in a vertical direction, not impacting the left-right balance of the handgun.

This sounds like a princess and the pea complaint -- one made by someone who is big on theory and short on experience.

3> Bigger the caliber, bulgier the barrel, making Revolvers a hopeless case to conceal although a compromise on barrel length may help, but to a very small extent. Pistol - may just grow a wee bit fat and have a magazine with fewer rounds…

Revolvers are more difficult to conceal, all things being equal, but "a hopeless case"? This is obviously quite untrue. Either that or, when I carried my Detective Special, I unknowingly entered a school for the blind. Again, someone speaking with great theories and no experience, I think.

4> The barrels of revolvers, especially of the bigger caliber ones, are known to develop a play. How it effects the loading, precision, leakage is all based on the user's stars. No such problem in Pistols.

This is unsupported. Yes, revolvers do wear. So do pistols.That is known, too. Each of them have wear points. I have two Colt revolvers; one is 93 years old and the other is 97 years old. They both work perfectly.

6> With a simpler 'L' frame, the pistol can be remarkably more sturdy, both in terms of construct and balance. In a revolver, the construct requires a pretty odd frame with a square hold to holster the cylinder, with most revolvers having a separate barrel fixed to this frame on only one end. In simple engineering terms, the vibrations are carried more towards the muzzle end, while the breach area is held to the frame.

Both of these arguments are ridiculous. First of all, a .44 Magnum revolver is bulkier and balances differently than a pistol. How many pistols shoot a cartridge as powerful as a .44 magnum, and if pistols are so much stronger, why is this so?

Secondly, the idea that a revolver is inferior because the barrel hangs on one end only is absurd. Just about every accurate bolt action now hangs a free floating barrel on the end of the receiver, a barrel that is much longer and heavier than any revolver.

Again, someone big on their own theories, but very little gun knowledge is making these kinds of observations.

7> The grips on a Pistol can be changed to a large extent, given its basic design, thus making the hold and aim so much better. A revolver has limited changes in its grip design, making a proper grip a challenge.

Clearly, this is rubbish! There are many revolver stocks available on the market, and the revolver is by no means at a disadvantage in this regard. Another totally unfounded statement.

9> Most pistols can be firmly held with two hands, with several having provisions for the non-firing hand to grip around the firing hand and the trigger guard. No such bountiful experience on a revolver.

Again, someone is talking through their hat, and has no experience in shooting a revolver. This statement is simply false.

10> The best advantage of a pistol is that the bullets are loaded into the barrel, which allows for much better accuracy and loss of power. In a revolver, the bullets stay out of the barrel, and only the projectile enters the barrel after the cartridge has exploded. In any scenario, the recoil has started the moment the cartridge explodes, and there is added shake to mar accuracy of a revolver, even before the projectile has started on its path!

Fine, and in most pistols, the barrel is held loosely in bushings or in the metal of the frame. You can even shake a lot of them and hear the barrel and slide rattle around.

The fact is, neither the pistol or the revolver is at a disadvantage if it is properly made and maintained in these cases. Both designs can be much more accurate than most shooters can take advantage of. Someone here, again, is blathering about their own private theories, which have little to no foundation in the real world.

[micky]

I have been firing various 9 mm Browning pistols and also beretta for last 18 years. I'll prefer a revolver for self defense. Pistol jams, for any reason whatsoever, u r gone. Enemy will not give you time to set it right.

Misfire in revolver, u just pull trigger again.

Remember, for armed forces, pistol is generally a side arm for officers. They seldom depend on it.

[HKASHYAP]

Dear Supershaji.....
I appreciate your analysis, which has been made by giving all concern points a careful thought.....
But I am still in doubt that we carry hand gun with us for the purpose of our personal safety during the time of unavoidable danger...and may God spare, if such situation arise and on that particulat time if our friend (GUN) fails to fire what is the benifit of safety/conceall carry/power/fps etc.. even though the gun we carry is not to kill any one but for our protection it needs to fire atleast for creating a deterrent situation for personal safety.. if not what is the benifit of carrying the gun with us..Kindly explain...

[timmy]

... it needs to fire atleast for creating a deterrent situation for personal safety.. if not what is the benifit of carrying the gun with us..Kindly explain...

If you feel that the purpose of carrying a firearm for personal protection is to brandish it as a threat and/or discharge it promiscuously in some direction for effect, my own opinion is that you shouldn't be carrying one.

A firearm carried for personal protection is a tool to be used in the extreme danger of bodily harm of yourself and/or loved ones, by disabling an attacker in the surest and most effective way possible.

Any other attitude or purpose puts the general public at risk, yourself at risk, and also risks putting a firearm into the hands of goons.

The deterrence concept is unsafe for the person carrying the weapon and to the public at large.

[koncealed-karrier]

Thanks a lot to all my friends for their valuable inputs.Best wishes - koncealed-karrier

[supershaji]

Thanks a lot to all my friends for their valuable inputs.Best wishes - koncealed-karrier

Well then, what's the verdict?

Which one have you decided to buy / booked?