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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by herb » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:06 pm

An interesting read on an old Husky in a time when anything less than a stainless .300 mag won't kill a deer...

http://hodgemansoutdoors.blogspot.ca/20 ... stery.html
Occasionally one stumbles across a memory that is simply too good not to share. These memories tend to lodge themselves in the rear crevasses of the mind and wait there for a good opportunity to present themselves. As I sat here this evening struggling with writer's block and a trying to think of a topic to explore, the memory burst forth from the dim and dusty recess of Hodgeman's mind and voila'! Problem solved.

Way back in the days when I was a "cheechako" in Alaska, one of the first friends I made was a fellow by the name of Tom. Tom had been in Alaska for a number of years and had homesteaded a property some miles in the Bush and eventually feeling the desire to leave hard work coupled with abject poverty he moved into the city to get a job. Tom and I became fast friends and he taught me a lot of things about life in Alaska during our time in Anchorage. During a dinner gathering one evening with our families the (inevitable around me) topic of hunting and guns came up.
Feeling the urge to show off his prized smokepole he went to a back room and brought back one of the most ill kept weapons I've ever seen. Not exactly what I expected a seasoned veteran of the Bush to be toting- a Husqvarna 640 in .270 Winchester. He was quite proud of the rifle despite it showing lots of age and "character marks" on the worn bluing and stock. "This here rifle I bought in '85 in Fairbanks...I took this, 4 boxes of ammo, an axe, a wall tent, and a kitten and got dropped off in Skwentna to start my homestead...", he replied. I sat there examining the rifle and wondered somewhat foolishly if he had eaten the kitten when the first winter hit somewhat mystified why he'd take such a thing as a kitten for serious homesteading.
After I examined the rifle a little more closely the kitten made more sense than that particular rifle did.

The rifle had started life in the era of post WWII at Fabrique Nationale in Belgium in the late 40s as a commercial Mauser 98 action and then sent to the enterprising Swedes at Husqvarna to turn into a whole rifle. Those were the days when the wheels of America's economic engine were chugging robustly and war savaged Europe was still reeling from collapse as Hitler's armies vanished and left smoke in their wake. That much European handwork is largely unaffordable today but in those destitute times these were destined to be "budget" rifles- a lower priced competitor to the big name American manufacturers. That was also before the Swedes determined that relying on one of your bigger competitors for something so basic as an action was bad for business if that business is making rifles.
This particular rifle, however, was destined to be sent to the American market and chambered in .270 Winchester, a cartridge at the very apex of its popularity in the early 50s. The "Husky" somehow wandered into Fairbanks, Alaska in the 70s oil boom and was sold in the 80s oil bust by a pipeline worker looking for a plane ticket home. It was bought by a very inexperienced drifter named Tom, who had a homestead claim in Skwentna that the ink was as wet on as he was behind the ears.

Fifteen years later he talked to me about hunting with the rifle, feeding his family and using the rifle for protection on the trail. I checked the action (smooth as glass, meticulous Swedes and Bavarians), admired the hand knurling on the sight plane of the receiver rings (reduces glare) and hoisted the old cannon and looked through the rear sight and noticed a major problem.

"Hey Tom," I asked, "Did you know you're missing your front site?"

"My what?", he replied quizzically.

"Your front sight blade. See this groove...you're supposed to have a sight blade with a bead sitting in there. You place the bead in the rear sight's notch for windage and elevation control. Surely the rifle had one." I pontificated. I had lots of experience shooting with open sights and felt very proud of my knowledge about such items.

"Nope, never recall having one of those," he replied earnestly as if all rifles had optional front sight blades.

At this point I felt like perhaps my leg was being significantly pulled by my new friend and he was showing off some pawn shop pickup prank to his cheechako friend while his "real" gun, perhaps a Model 70 Winchester or Remington 700 in a real "Alaska Cartridge" like a .338 Win Mag resided back in the closet somewhere. Feeling a little smug I replied a little sarcastically,"But did you ever kill anything with it?"

"Oh not much," came his response in total honesty," Just a moose or two every year (that's about 25 total in 15 years), a few caribou, a dozen black bears and one really pissed off grizzly."

I sat there dumbfounded now that I realized Tom was entirely serious. I had thought while I planned my Alaska move (fueled by everything I could read on the subject in the sporting press in those early Internet days) that all real Alaska rifles had to have a .338 bore or bigger or it would bounce off a bear and a .300 Win Mag was "OK" for ladies and coyotes as long as they were backed up by a real man toting a real man's gun. A real Alaska woman shot a .338 like a man though- on account of local ammo supplies consisting of nothing but .338 shells. Having to have your hubby or boyfriend import your weakling rifle ammo was supposedly considered "high maintenance". Now I was confronted by a man who'd raised a family on meat provided by what amounted to a surplus Mauser in a pipsqueak cartridge missing half of its sighting equipment...apparently a man who never knew better to boot. "How the heck did you ever hit anything with this thing?" I asked in total shock.

His reply was as deadpan as the rest of his conversation..." Well, moose are pretty big if you can get pretty close...."
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Author's note- the rifle depicted in the photograph is not the rifle spoken of in the article. Picture the rifle in the photo after being drug behind a log truck for several miles... you get the point. The photo is one I retrieved from Google- Husky 640s being so common around the house and all... I give photo credit to whoever took it but it wasn't me.

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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by marksman » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Well, I do have an F.N Belgique rifle in 30-06 built somewhere around sixties which is almost identical except the rear sight. Mine has one fixed and two leafs calibrated for 200 and 300 yds. Each on either side of the fixed 100 yd leaf. It was bought in 1977 and has been with me since. I believe a lot of 25 rifles in 270win, :30-06 and 375 H&H magnum we then imported in India. I swapped my .315 IOF and put Rs. 850/ more to buy this one. Those were the days. The bluing has dulled a bit over the years and now a Leupold scope adorns it sitting on a Redfield jr mounts and rings.It had no factory tapped holes for the scope but fortunately for me the ace smith Redkar (Mumbai)had the scope jig those days and made a perfect job. It has everything I wanted then......folding leaf rear sight, barrel mounted front swivels, straight grained walnut and a shiny as new rifling. What else one could ask for and of course it belonged to a Parsee gentleman.

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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by brihacharan » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:02 am

Congratulations herb - you have a beauty there :D
Amazingly well maintained even after 60 years - Wow!!!
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by ckkalyan » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:25 am

Brilliant article - thank you for sharing herb! :D
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Post by BowMan » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:05 pm

Lovely...

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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by Vikram » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Nice little read,Herb. Thanks for posting.


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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by prashantsingh » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:17 pm

Love your rifle collection Herb.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by Grumpy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:28 am

Husqvarna actually sold the 1900 tooling to Carl Gustaf in 1970 who continued to build the rifles at their FFV division. They couldn`t make a profit from producing the 1900 rifle ( or with the Sauer 80 based Carl Gustaf 3000 with which they replaced it ) and ceased production in 1977. The tooling was sold sometime after that date. I don`t remember hearing that the tooling went to Greece but it certainly turned-up in Italy during the 1980s. There were reckoned to be poorly made Italian built 1900s produced but these might actually be the Greek built rifles....or both. Antonio Zoli then acquired the tooling c.1989 and proceeded to build good quality rifles designated `AZ1900` and they continue to do so.
Matters get a little complicated because at some stage ( late 1980s/early 1990s ? ) Italian made 1900s started appearing in Sweden under the Husqvarna label ............... There are some peculiar stories associated with these particular rifles that I won`t repeat but I have a suspicion that they`re untrue but based on the poor quality 1900s.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by herb » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:06 am

Thanks for the info Grumpy. Talking of 1900 actions, the Swedish firm VO Vapen which makes some of the most exclusive and expensive rifles in the world use the 1900 actions. I am sure (could be wrong) it must be a modified Husky 1900 in some way but I assume the basics remain the same.

http://www.vovapen.com/Our-Rifles
The rifles are founded on the well-tested, reliable, durable and beautiful 1900 mechanism. This mechanism is developed and produced under the guidance of Mr Master Gunsmith Viggo Olsson.

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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by Grumpy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:39 am

Herb, the V O Vapen rifles certainly utilise the Husqvarna 1900 action but I have no idea from where they source it. Might be old Husqvarna actions .... might be Zoli actions .... or they might be produced brand new by the Olssons.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by timmy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:45 am

Great story, Herb! Necessity is often the mother of invention, as they say.

I will say that, looking a the story on the original site, the photograph there doesn't depict a Model 640 -- they pinned the wrong picture to the text!

Here is a picture that compares earlier Husqvarna models to a 640:

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]Model 46, 146 and 640. Besides the UN modified postwar mechanism the 640 also a new piston. Maybe something better ergonomically, but also thick and a bit bulky compared to its sleek predecessor. Unfortunately, the piston too often, as in the picture, made ​​in beech instead of walnut.
This is from a Swedish article that loses some, but not too much in the google translation from here:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... WxIFEHNcpw

and the original:

http://www.jaktojagare.se/lange-leve-de ... iskastaren

The idea here is to note that the rifle in the original article's picture is based on the Model 96 Swedish Mauser, which you see also on the left side of the picture I've linked here. Roughly speaking, you can see two major differences between the Swedish M96 and the German/FN M98: The Swedish receiver ring is smaller than the M98 receiver ring on the right and in the middle. This may not be a definitive mark, however, because some M98s, the small ring action, had the same diameter receiver ring as the Swedish actions did.

But, note how the Swedish action is shorter than the two M98 based actions. They are all lined up evenly at the receiver ring, but the receiver is shorter on the left hand Swedish action. These rifles have a shorter bolt travel and a shorter magazine opening, as well. The M98 is a bit longer in all of these dimensions, and is appropriate for the 270 and other 30-06 length cartridges. The Swedish M96 action is the same length as the earlier M95, M94, M93, and M92 actions and is appropriate for cartridges like 6.5x55 and 7x57. The M98 was made for the 8x57 cartridge and is a bit larger. Of course, you cannot see this so well in the original article's picture, because there's nothing to compare it to.

The M98 also has a safety lug, which the earlier actions don't have, but this can't be seen in the picture.

The give away in the original picture is the bolt sleeve, at the rear of the bolt where the safety is located. Note how the bolt sleeve on the rifle in the original picture is slender and long, like the rifle on the left. That is because the M96 had a striker travel of 1 inch, where the M98 striker travel is only 1/2". This different bolt sleeve is what gives the rifle in the original picture away as one based on the M96 Swedish action, and not an M98 German/FN based action.

Contrary to the author's statement:
That was also before the Swedes determined that relying on one of your bigger competitors for something so basic as an action was bad for business if that business is making rifles.
The Swedes did not have the tooling in their factories to build an M98 action, an action that would handle the cartridges demanded by the buyers of their rifles after WW2, like the 30-06 and 270. It was not a matter of turning to the outside and outsourcing from FN as a matter of finances. Rather, this was a technical decision based on the fact that they didn't have the tooling to make an M98 based action in the first place.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by Grumpy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:26 am

Husqvarna built rifles on small ring M96 actions in 30-06 and 8x57 ............ and .308 Win if it comes to that. Pretty sure I`ve seen .270 Wins as well. Why they used large ring FN actions I have no idea and why they then built their own action I don`t know but I suspect that wanting to keep everything `in-house` and quite possibly governmental pressure to keep the balance of payments as low as possible are relevant ..... and quite possibly the desire to export to the USA comes into the equation as well.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by timmy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:00 am

Grumpy, I can see the HVA/1600 small ring action from the early 50s being chambered in 270 and 30-06, but it is longer than the M96/Model 46 made before WW2. I'm simply not seeing an M96 being long enough for a 30-06 length cartridge.
Husqvarna also made commercial m/1894 and m/1896 versions available as sporting rifles called Model 46 and its variants (Models 46A, 46AN and 46B) in 6.5×55mm, 9.3×57mm and 9.3×62mm. After World War II they used m/96 and m/38 actions without thumb notch to create the Model 640 series (646 in 6.5×55mm, 648 in 8×57mm, 649 in 9.3×62mm). These are not to be confused with the late-production Model 640 using FN Herstal M98 actions.
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by Grumpy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:27 am

I`m just the messenger so don`t shoot me. lol. I don`t know the ins and outs of the matter Timmy but there are plenty of M96s in 30-06 around. Husqvarna even built some for Montgomery Ward in the early `50s apparently. There`s only 1.4mm difference in OAL between the 9.3x62 and the 30-06 so perhaps it just required some judicious filing ?
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Re: A very underrated rifle (Pic's)

Post by timmy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:48 am

Yes, the 9.3x62 is about 0.060" shorter than the 30-06, and the magazine opening of the M96 is about 0.060 shorter than the 9.3x62, so that would require about 1/8" to be removed from the front of the mag and the back of the feed ramp, all in an action without a safety lug on the bolt. I was under the impression the had moved from the M96-based action to the HVA/1600 action by the 50s, and I've shot M98 based rifles from that time.
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