MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
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MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
Hello All,
I wish to share my excitement about my recently acquired double rifle.
While I was searching high and low for a 577 BPE to add to my collection, I ran across a "story" from early 2001 about a rifle that had all the things that everyone wants in a fine double rifle. I call them the "Lucky Seven".
First, a very fine World renown Maker.
Second, a document from the World renown Maker that substantiates the original specifications.
Third, a Famous Owner.
Forth, a document from the World renown Maker that it was shipped directly to the Famous Owner.
Fifth, a documented history of use by the Famous Owner.
Sixth, a book written by the Famous Owner giving an account of the rifle's use.
Seventh, a picture in the book showing the Famous Owner holding the Double rifle.
The rifle I found is a John Dickson double rifle in 577 caliber.
Per the original John Dickson ledger, it was originally built in 1868 with the following specifications:
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What wonderful information!
But, it is no longer a 12-bore, it is now a .577 caliber. This is unusual. However, the Barrels are marked "577EX" and "AH7186".
As I have learned, "AH" with a number, typically references Alex Henry, and the rifling in the barrels of this rifle, is Alex Henry type. A call to Dickson and McNaughton in Scotland with a request to search the Alex Henry ledger indicated that Ledger serial numbers stopped well before the AH7186 number. But, the Ledger also contained some unregistered numbers for after-market work. And there, the number 7186 was listed. It read:
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This 577 double rifle is in the "rare" caliber 20-.577. This was a proprietary cartridge designed by the well known Scottish firm of Alex Henry. It is a 2 3/4" 20-gauge brass shotgun cartridge that is necked down to accept a .577 bullet.
Although I was originally looking for a .577 BPE, (black powder express) this rifle is actually a true "Nitro Express" being proved for 70 grains of "rifleite" which is an early form of cordite. This is the same powder charge as the standard .577 NE. These barrels were never intended for black powder.
And the henry Ledger documents that this rifle was shipped to Captain M. McNeill.
Malcolm McNeill was born on January 30, 1866, the son of Lt-Col A.C. McNeill. In 1885, when he was only 19, he went into the British army. He served in several African campaigns and also in World War One. McNeill won several medals and awards during his Military Service.
Unfortunately, Capt. McNeill died in France on June 3, 1917 during WWI. He is buried in Mont Huon Military Cemetery, Le Treport, France.
During his Military career, McNeill was also a big game hunter. Many of his hunting trophies are displayed in a museum in his home town of Oban, Scotland.
In addition, he also authored a book about his Military life and his hunting trips in Somaliland. The book is entitled, "In Pursuit of the Mad Mullah--Service and Sport in the Somali Protectorate." (printed 1902). In the book Captain McNeill tells of being sent to Africa's Somaliland. Before going to Africa in November of 1900, he purchased the Dickson / Henry so he would have an adequate big game hunting rifle.
The front plate in the book has a photograph of the McNeill sitting with this 20-.577 cradled in his arms.
In the book we have Capt. Malcolm McNeill himself, talking directly to us, telling of his using this rifle during his adventures with it in Africa. He tells how he killed 3 man-eating Lions, 2 with this exact rifle.
When you read, his writing is just like he was talking to you and telling you his story. You can almost hear him speaking to you "out loud" in your mind.
What an adventure it must have been in 1901. State-of-the-art hunting on the backs of Camels.
In the book, McNeill tells of hearing about 4 lions that were attacking a nearby village, and his taking a few days off his Military service to pursue them. It happens that McNeill's 20-.577 was packed away on camels some hours distant, so he set-out with his 12-bore paradox double. With it he shot the first lion. It measured 8' 4" long from nose to tip of tail.
Some time later, his camels arrived bringing him the 20-.577 Dickson/Henry. With it, he went after the other 3 lions. Quoting from page 53;
"... I also had my .577 by now, and felt quite prepared to meet anything that might turn up. ..."
McNeill continued to pursue the other 3 lions and soon came upon the second. Quoting from page 57 and 58;
"... the lion was about 130 yards distant. ..." "... I immediately knelt down and fired with my .577, taking him just in front of the shoulder. On receiving the shot he pulled up at once, nearly falling as he did so, and the left barrel knocked him clean over. He managed to crawl under a small tree about 2 or 3 yards off and to get his head round facing me. I put in another shot for safety's sake when I got to about 80 yards from him, but he did not really require it--either of the first two would have killed him. This lion was the biggest of the three I got that day, 8 feet, 10 1 /2 inches as he lay--a big, powerfully made beast, but with no mane. ..."
McNeill then started after the last two lions. They were discovered in heavy cover. Since earlier one of natives had been bitten while pursuing the second lion, McNeill opted to start a grass fire to drive them out of the cover, rather than going in after them. Quoting from page 58 and 59;
"... After some difficulty we got it fairly alight, and after it was about two-thirds burnt, out he came. He stood at the edge of the fire about 80 yards from me, broadside on, and I at once gave him the .577 in the left shoulder. On receiving the shot he turned round and charged straight back through the fire (which was about 18 or 20 yards off), burning his whiskers and singeing himself generally, but not very badly. On getting through the flames he stood on his hind legs, pawing the air, and then fell over on his side--dead. ..."
The forth lion was a female, and McNeill's hunting ethics, dictated him not to pursue her.
So, 3 out of 4 lions in an afternoon's vacation from Duty, 2 shot with my 20-.577 Dickson/Henry. One shot at 130 yards, and the other at 80 yards.
Here is a reference to Capt. Malcolm McNeill Military Service from the London Gazette. This is a very interesting bio indeed.
Testifying to his Military Battles is this very interesting reference to Capt. Malcolm McNeill. This was a sketch that was published on October 12, 1901, in a Newspaper called the GRAPHIC. (page 485)
It shows Captain McNeill directing his forces in a Battle (detailed in his book) Note the several Martini rifles in addition to the Maxim Machine Gun. McNeill had 2 maxims under his command, a 303, and a 450 cal.
Although Capt. McNeill is shown holding a Martini rifle, I'm sure his 20-.577 was not far away.
The caption reads; "The Expedition Against The Mad Mullah: The Attack On Captain McNeill's Zariba"
I'll continue to research this rifle and p Perhaps someday I'll find some interesting information about James Robertson, the first owner who ordered it from Dickson in 1868 as a 12 bore double rifle.
And, I intend to shoot it ... a lot.
P.S.
And if all this History wasn't enough, here's another treat. This Holland & Holland Royal Grade Double Grade was presented to President Teddy Roosevelt. It is on display in the Frazier Museum in Louisville, KY.
Look who's on the list of donors. He's the 12th one down. None-other than our "Captain M. McNeill." The text is from page 28 of Teddy Roosevelt's book; "African Game Trails."
How cool is that?
Hello All,
I wish to share my excitement about my recently acquired double rifle.
While I was searching high and low for a 577 BPE to add to my collection, I ran across a "story" from early 2001 about a rifle that had all the things that everyone wants in a fine double rifle. I call them the "Lucky Seven".
First, a very fine World renown Maker.
Second, a document from the World renown Maker that substantiates the original specifications.
Third, a Famous Owner.
Forth, a document from the World renown Maker that it was shipped directly to the Famous Owner.
Fifth, a documented history of use by the Famous Owner.
Sixth, a book written by the Famous Owner giving an account of the rifle's use.
Seventh, a picture in the book showing the Famous Owner holding the Double rifle.
The rifle I found is a John Dickson double rifle in 577 caliber.
Per the original John Dickson ledger, it was originally built in 1868 with the following specifications:
translated
What wonderful information!
But, it is no longer a 12-bore, it is now a .577 caliber. This is unusual. However, the Barrels are marked "577EX" and "AH7186".
As I have learned, "AH" with a number, typically references Alex Henry, and the rifling in the barrels of this rifle, is Alex Henry type. A call to Dickson and McNaughton in Scotland with a request to search the Alex Henry ledger indicated that Ledger serial numbers stopped well before the AH7186 number. But, the Ledger also contained some unregistered numbers for after-market work. And there, the number 7186 was listed. It read:
translated
This 577 double rifle is in the "rare" caliber 20-.577. This was a proprietary cartridge designed by the well known Scottish firm of Alex Henry. It is a 2 3/4" 20-gauge brass shotgun cartridge that is necked down to accept a .577 bullet.
Although I was originally looking for a .577 BPE, (black powder express) this rifle is actually a true "Nitro Express" being proved for 70 grains of "rifleite" which is an early form of cordite. This is the same powder charge as the standard .577 NE. These barrels were never intended for black powder.
And the henry Ledger documents that this rifle was shipped to Captain M. McNeill.
Malcolm McNeill was born on January 30, 1866, the son of Lt-Col A.C. McNeill. In 1885, when he was only 19, he went into the British army. He served in several African campaigns and also in World War One. McNeill won several medals and awards during his Military Service.
Unfortunately, Capt. McNeill died in France on June 3, 1917 during WWI. He is buried in Mont Huon Military Cemetery, Le Treport, France.
During his Military career, McNeill was also a big game hunter. Many of his hunting trophies are displayed in a museum in his home town of Oban, Scotland.
In addition, he also authored a book about his Military life and his hunting trips in Somaliland. The book is entitled, "In Pursuit of the Mad Mullah--Service and Sport in the Somali Protectorate." (printed 1902). In the book Captain McNeill tells of being sent to Africa's Somaliland. Before going to Africa in November of 1900, he purchased the Dickson / Henry so he would have an adequate big game hunting rifle.
The front plate in the book has a photograph of the McNeill sitting with this 20-.577 cradled in his arms.
In the book we have Capt. Malcolm McNeill himself, talking directly to us, telling of his using this rifle during his adventures with it in Africa. He tells how he killed 3 man-eating Lions, 2 with this exact rifle.
When you read, his writing is just like he was talking to you and telling you his story. You can almost hear him speaking to you "out loud" in your mind.
What an adventure it must have been in 1901. State-of-the-art hunting on the backs of Camels.
In the book, McNeill tells of hearing about 4 lions that were attacking a nearby village, and his taking a few days off his Military service to pursue them. It happens that McNeill's 20-.577 was packed away on camels some hours distant, so he set-out with his 12-bore paradox double. With it he shot the first lion. It measured 8' 4" long from nose to tip of tail.
Some time later, his camels arrived bringing him the 20-.577 Dickson/Henry. With it, he went after the other 3 lions. Quoting from page 53;
"... I also had my .577 by now, and felt quite prepared to meet anything that might turn up. ..."
McNeill continued to pursue the other 3 lions and soon came upon the second. Quoting from page 57 and 58;
"... the lion was about 130 yards distant. ..." "... I immediately knelt down and fired with my .577, taking him just in front of the shoulder. On receiving the shot he pulled up at once, nearly falling as he did so, and the left barrel knocked him clean over. He managed to crawl under a small tree about 2 or 3 yards off and to get his head round facing me. I put in another shot for safety's sake when I got to about 80 yards from him, but he did not really require it--either of the first two would have killed him. This lion was the biggest of the three I got that day, 8 feet, 10 1 /2 inches as he lay--a big, powerfully made beast, but with no mane. ..."
McNeill then started after the last two lions. They were discovered in heavy cover. Since earlier one of natives had been bitten while pursuing the second lion, McNeill opted to start a grass fire to drive them out of the cover, rather than going in after them. Quoting from page 58 and 59;
"... After some difficulty we got it fairly alight, and after it was about two-thirds burnt, out he came. He stood at the edge of the fire about 80 yards from me, broadside on, and I at once gave him the .577 in the left shoulder. On receiving the shot he turned round and charged straight back through the fire (which was about 18 or 20 yards off), burning his whiskers and singeing himself generally, but not very badly. On getting through the flames he stood on his hind legs, pawing the air, and then fell over on his side--dead. ..."
The forth lion was a female, and McNeill's hunting ethics, dictated him not to pursue her.
So, 3 out of 4 lions in an afternoon's vacation from Duty, 2 shot with my 20-.577 Dickson/Henry. One shot at 130 yards, and the other at 80 yards.
Here is a reference to Capt. Malcolm McNeill Military Service from the London Gazette. This is a very interesting bio indeed.
Testifying to his Military Battles is this very interesting reference to Capt. Malcolm McNeill. This was a sketch that was published on October 12, 1901, in a Newspaper called the GRAPHIC. (page 485)
It shows Captain McNeill directing his forces in a Battle (detailed in his book) Note the several Martini rifles in addition to the Maxim Machine Gun. McNeill had 2 maxims under his command, a 303, and a 450 cal.
Although Capt. McNeill is shown holding a Martini rifle, I'm sure his 20-.577 was not far away.
The caption reads; "The Expedition Against The Mad Mullah: The Attack On Captain McNeill's Zariba"
I'll continue to research this rifle and p Perhaps someday I'll find some interesting information about James Robertson, the first owner who ordered it from Dickson in 1868 as a 12 bore double rifle.
And, I intend to shoot it ... a lot.
P.S.
And if all this History wasn't enough, here's another treat. This Holland & Holland Royal Grade Double Grade was presented to President Teddy Roosevelt. It is on display in the Frazier Museum in Louisville, KY.
Look who's on the list of donors. He's the 12th one down. None-other than our "Captain M. McNeill." The text is from page 28 of Teddy Roosevelt's book; "African Game Trails."
How cool is that?
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What a beautiful piece, and very historical and interesting provenance, as well! Anyone would love to just hold a firearm like that for a moment!
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Hi Buckstix,
Congratulations on having acquired a beautiful rifle with distinguished former owner and a printed history. I am sure it will be a cherished possession among your collection of fine weapons.
Regards.
Congratulations on having acquired a beautiful rifle with distinguished former owner and a printed history. I am sure it will be a cherished possession among your collection of fine weapons.
Regards.
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Re: MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
Hello Buckstix,
> First of all hearty congratulations for having acquired a 'magnificent work of art'
> A possession so excellent in condition that you would cherish in the years to come.
> This could perhaps be a family heirloom....
> Wish to know if ammo for it is freely available...
> Look forward to hearing your experience in shooting it...
Best wishes
Briha
> First of all hearty congratulations for having acquired a 'magnificent work of art'
> A possession so excellent in condition that you would cherish in the years to come.
> This could perhaps be a family heirloom....
> Wish to know if ammo for it is freely available...
> Look forward to hearing your experience in shooting it...
Best wishes
Briha
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Hello brihacharan,
I have coming; brass, dies, and bullets that were purchased with the rifle, so reloading will be no problem. I understand that brass is also available from a couple of sources, shold I need more.
I got 3 pieces of brass packed with the rifle, and have fired a few test shots. WOW, nice recoil. Sure glad the rifle weighs over 12 pounds.
I'll let you know how shooting goes when all the stuff arrives.
I have coming; brass, dies, and bullets that were purchased with the rifle, so reloading will be no problem. I understand that brass is also available from a couple of sources, shold I need more.
I got 3 pieces of brass packed with the rifle, and have fired a few test shots. WOW, nice recoil. Sure glad the rifle weighs over 12 pounds.
I'll let you know how shooting goes when all the stuff arrives.
you never pay too much for something, you only buy it too early
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Hello Buckstix,
> Thanks for your prompt response...
> Could well imagine the 'kick' you felt when you discharged the weapon... yes 12lbs is a providance
> Waiting to hear more...
Briha
> Thanks for your prompt response...
> Could well imagine the 'kick' you felt when you discharged the weapon... yes 12lbs is a providance
> Waiting to hear more...
Briha
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Nice story. Look at who commissioned Teddy`s H&H by the way.
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That is awesome and really cool. Thanks for sharing the pics and story!
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Re: MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
I must highly congratulate you Buckstix for you beautiful possession. It's not just a weapon it's chronology of events and people something which definitely i would like to own if not would like a new legacy start from me..
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Re: MY 20-.577 DICKSON / HENRY - A RIFLE WITH HISTORY
Buckstix,
Congratulations on a beautiful rifle with a great pedigree and rich history. You are indeed lucky to be able to find such a rifle with such detailed documentation.
May I ask if this rifle was bought from Lewis Drake? I ask because the colour photos of the rifle suggest that.
Do keep us posted about how she shoots. Thank you for sharing.
Best-
Vikram
Congratulations on a beautiful rifle with a great pedigree and rich history. You are indeed lucky to be able to find such a rifle with such detailed documentation.
May I ask if this rifle was bought from Lewis Drake? I ask because the colour photos of the rifle suggest that.
Do keep us posted about how she shoots. Thank you for sharing.
Best-
Vikram
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Hello Vikram,
Yes, Lewis Drake was the Agent for the sale. I'll be doing some shooting this weekend and will post results.
Yes, Lewis Drake was the Agent for the sale. I'll be doing some shooting this weekend and will post results.
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Lewis Drake always have some fantastic guns for sale. For some reason,their website has been inaccessible for sometime. If you are in touch with them, could you please do the favour of enquiring with them if their website is defunct? Appreciate your help.Thank you.
Look forward to the shooting report.
Best-
Vikram
Look forward to the shooting report.
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Buckstix,
What a great rifle and what an absolutely delightful story to go along with it. Thank you very much for sharing this treasure with us.
I'm so glad that you are planning to shoot the rifle (unlike so many other collectors). Looking forward to seeing an extensive range report and review when you get to it.
Thanks again.
P.S. Which part of WI are you in? I went to school at UW Stout and have very fond memories of my time in Wisconsin, especially hunting Whitetail in the bluffs by Alma and squirrel hunting by Arcadia. I'm not too far away, here in southern MN.
What a great rifle and what an absolutely delightful story to go along with it. Thank you very much for sharing this treasure with us.
I'm so glad that you are planning to shoot the rifle (unlike so many other collectors). Looking forward to seeing an extensive range report and review when you get to it.
Thanks again.
P.S. Which part of WI are you in? I went to school at UW Stout and have very fond memories of my time in Wisconsin, especially hunting Whitetail in the bluffs by Alma and squirrel hunting by Arcadia. I'm not too far away, here in southern MN.
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Hello Vikram,If you are in touch with them, could you please do the favour of enquiring with them if their website is defunct?
The Lewis Drake website has been working just fine. I've never seen a problem.
Here is their link - http://www.drake.net/index.html
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Hello xl_target,
I live in central Wisconsin near the northwestern end of Lake Winnebago. I'm 40 miles south of the Green Bay Packers.
I live in central Wisconsin near the northwestern end of Lake Winnebago. I'm 40 miles south of the Green Bay Packers.
you never pay too much for something, you only buy it too early