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On any given weekend, I have hundreds of cartridges of different calibers in my vehicle, in various bags or boxes. Sometimes I don't clean out my car after the weekend and they ride around till the next weekend. No one thinks anything about it. It's quite common here. If I didn't clean out a bag properly, I could be in the same situation as him.
Well XL dada ( and tirpassion dada ), do be extra careful when you plan to visit here . Or you might end up soaking up the pleasures of "Indian Hospitality" a bit longer than you might intended to .
tirpassion wrote:The .22mm caliber is very interesting . The journalist seems to know a lot about arms and ammunition.
Oh yes, in India , every caliber is in mm .303 mm , .30-06 mm , .32 mm , .357 mm and so on .
F-N-Five-Seven
It's okay , if you disagree with me .
I can't force you to be right .
There is quite a possibilty yank would have found the ammo and after discovering so walked to the dumb securitywala asking wat to do and viola... oppurtunity smelled.... the security chapiie turned smartie now smelled a killing and......here we have a .. "US CITIZEN CAUGHT WITH AMMO...." a about to be sacked correspondent found coup of the century....& man here we are debating....
By this time yanky must be back in US....having his beef steak....
I echo some of the others here...that it is unlikely this guy would intentionally try and sneak in some ammo on a plane. He's got to be pretty dumb if he really thought he could get away with that.
If he did/does have criminal intentions....he would be trying something else...rather than try and sneak in 8 live rounds.
It'd be interesting to see if the rounds were missed in Delhi security and Texas probably where he boarded.
Couldn't find any updates on this story online...anyone hear any updates?
The man was negligent. Even in US domestic flights there are restrictions on how ammunition and arms are carried.There are legal repercussions for carrying ammunition and arms unless they are carried in the manner prescribed. It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure that he/she to know about and comply with those laws.
However, to blow it out of proportion and attribute criminal intentions is not necessary. JMHO.
Best-
Vikram
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How difficult is it to understand that it is illegal to carry any explosive material on board a flight? Illegal means just that. You break the law, you face the consequences. Excuses like "oops I forgot - in my home country we carry ganja/bullets/heroin/<insert item name here> all the time so you should be understanding of my situation. I am such a hot shot engineer and I am not stupid. Just forgetful" That is as lame a story as anyone can hear. How come this hot shot did not know that explosives are simply not allowed. He forgot? LOL! I mean this is exactly the sort of thing that would make people sit up and say "tsk tsk tsk. People are too stupid to be trusted with guns. How can a guy simply "forget" that he was carrying explosives on a flight?
I mean how dumb can things get. The man who carries explosive material on board is smart but everyone else is dumb - either for missing it or for catching him for such a minor infraction like carrying live rounds like people do all the time in Boputhatswana or wherever. I find it very difficult to believe that bullets were missed in two separate security checks in Europe and in Delhi and found in Bhubhaneshwar. Maybe the bullets were acquired in Bhubaneshwar.
It is possible to set off cartridges without a gun using a sharp blow with a sharp object. The edge of a heavy belt buckle or a dinner knife could do the trick. A gun is not required. Anyone who thinks that a gun is invariably needed to set off cartridges is displaying ignorance that can serve as a convenient example for people who believe that guns are unsafe, to be kept away from forgetful, ignorant or over-smart people. I would go easy on the crap that this man is some really smart but totally innocent guy who just happened to be sticking to the laws of his home country and simply forgot that he was on a flight and that live cartridges are harmless as lollipops as long as there is no gun. These are serious self goals against the right to bear arms.
Here is a bunch of immature kids setting off cartridges without a gun. they certanly can make holes in things without a gun. And they are 0.22s
bennedose wrote:How difficult is it to understand that it is illegal to carry any explosive material on board a flight? Illegal means just that. You break the law, you face the consequences. Excuses like "oops I forgot - in my home country we carry ganja/bullets/heroin/<insert item name here> all the time so you should be understanding of my situation. I am such a hot shot engineer and I am not stupid. Just forgetful" That is as lame a story as anyone can hear. How come this hot shot did not know that explosives are simply not allowed. He forgot? LOL! I mean this is exactly the sort of thing that would make people sit up and say "tsk tsk tsk. People are too stupid to be trusted with guns. How can a guy simply "forget" that he was carrying explosives on a flight?
Very simple, people forget stuff all the time.
<sarcasm>So this "criminal", as you call him, hatched an ingenious plot to smuggle eight .22LR cartridges out of Bhubaneshwar.
So he went to college, got his degree, did an internship and then took a job with an international company and then manipulated the company to select him for an assignment to India. All of this, so he could purchase eight .22 LR cartridges in Bhubaneshwar and smuggle them out. A far thinking and ambitious man, apparently.</sarcasm>
I mean how dumb can things get. The man who carries explosive material on board is smart but everyone else is dumb - either for missing it or for catching him for such a minor infraction like carrying live rounds like people do all the time in Boputhatswana or wherever. I find it very difficult to believe that bullets were missed in two separate security checks in Europe and in Delhi and found in Bhubhaneshwar. Maybe the bullets were acquired in Bhubaneshwar.
"OOh! he's carrying explosives". Lets make it sound like he was carrying dynamite so he could blow up the plane.
You do know how much powder a .22 LR cartridge contains, don't you?
Dumb? Unthinking? Most likely.
He did break the law and will probably face some kind of punishment but treating this guy like he was a terrorist really do no one any good.
It is possible to set off cartridges without a gun using a sharp blow with a sharp object. The edge of a heavy belt buckle or a dinner knife could do the trick. A gun is not required. Anyone who thinks that a gun is invariably needed to set off cartridges is displaying ignorance that can serve as a convenient example for people who believe that guns are unsafe, to be kept away from forgetful, ignorant or over-smart people. I would go easy on the crap that this man is some really smart but totally innocent guy who just happened to be sticking to the laws of his home country and simply forgot that he was on a flight and that live cartridges are harmless as lollipops as long as there is no gun.
Here is a bunch of immature kids setting off cartridges without a gun. they certanly can make holes in things without a gun. And they are 0.22s
So You've tried this? Setting off cartridges with your belt buckle and your dinner knife?
You really believe they were able to put aimed fire on their targets from so far away without a barrel? You believe everything you see on the Internet?
These are serious self goals against the right to bear arms.
This has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms. Why would you even bring that up?
“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never – in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense” — Winston Churchill, Oct 29, 1941
Its honest mistake and dont forget he flew from US and somehow these bullets werent detected while boarding by TSA etc. Big deal rap him on the knuckles and let him go. Much to do about nothing
xl_target wrote:
So You've tried this? Setting off cartridges with your belt buckle and your dinner knife?
You really believe they were able to put aimed fire on their targets from so far away without a barrel? You believe everything you see on the Internet?
These are serious self goals against the right to bear arms.
This has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms. Why would you even bring that up?
No I have not tried it. But you would not try it either and I suspect you do know why despite your rhetoric. You seem to want to insist that carrying live bullets on an aircraft is totally safe because nothing can be done to a live cartridge without a gun. Such insistence on what you do know is wrong is a mistake and I am not sure why you are trying to push a point that is clearly absurd and misleading. lt is precisely this type of needless rhetoric that implies a naive trust in the total safety of live ammunition sans guns that promotes the idea that people with guns are unsafe in the absence of draconian norms about who should be allowed to handle guns and ammunition. Why are you doing this? If you are insisting on this ludicrous point about safety of live ammunition without a gun and the likely innocence of people who might carry them on a flight simply because my opinions have rubbed your ego, I apologise for that. I have no intention of hurting your ego. I will keep off this discussion after this post
My opinion on this stand and I repeat that this "highly educated" engineer is either stupid or a criminal. Clearly education seems to have had little effect on his ability to be stupid or negligent. He has no business packing bags without checking what's in them. You are of course entitled to your opinions as I am mine.
nagarifle wrote:some people live in realms of fantasy.
here we are making judgements over a what could be a simple oversight of forgetfulness. who in the world does not forget things?
nagarifleji, there are some things that must not be forgotten and cannot be excused using this argument. If a surgeon simply leaves behind an instrument in a patient's body no one is going to say that the surgeon is highly educated and that anyone can forget. The surgeon will be made to pay for "forgetting"
Some things cannot simply be forgotten.
Forget bullets. Imagine this man had a small packet of marijuana which he had smoked somewhere in the US and "simply forgot" when he travelled to Singapore. There are some things that no sane, educated person should do.
nagarifle wrote:some people live in realms of fantasy.
here we are making judgements over a what could be a simple oversight of forgetfulness. who in the world does not forget things?
nagarifleji, there are some things that must not be forgotten and cannot be excused using this argument. If a surgeon simply leaves behind an instrument in a patient's body no one is going to say that the surgeon is highly educated and that anyone can forget. The surgeon will be made to pay for "forgetting"
Some things cannot simply be forgotten.
Forget bullets. Imagine this man had a small packet of marijuana which he had smoked somewhere in the US and "simply forgot" when he travelled to Singapore. There are some things that no sane, educated person should do.
yap many surgeon do leave behind rings / scaples/ etc. no mistake about it. they must have forgotten to take em off. and yet they get away with it. IN INDIA
a bullet on a plane is not dangerous. however it would be fair to say that the person who knowing takes it and uses is dangerous.
and i have not said anything about highly or lowly educated person in any why or form.
Nagarifle
if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.
No I have not tried it. But you would not try it either and I suspect you do know why despite your rhetoric. You seem to want to insist that carrying live bullets on an aircraft is totally safe because nothing can be done to a live cartridge without a gun. Such insistence on what you do know is wrong is a mistake and I am not sure why you are trying to push a point that is clearly absurd and misleading. lt is precisely this type of needless rhetoric that implies a naive trust in the total safety of live ammunition sans guns that promotes the idea that people with guns are unsafe in the absence of draconian norms about who should be allowed to handle guns and ammunition. Why are you doing this? If you are insisting on this ludicrous point about safety of live ammunition without a gun and the likely innocence of people who might carry them on a flight simply because my opinions have rubbed your ego, I apologise for that. I have no intention of hurting your ego. I will keep off this discussion after this post
Of course I wouldn't try it. I never said that I would.
Please re-read my posts. I didn't say anything about it being right or wrong to carry live bullets, I just said that it is commonly done where he is from. I also never said anything about it being safe or unsafe. You insist on reading more into what I have said.
I just think the whole premise of treating this as a terrorist act is just a bunch of security theater. You honestly believe that someone would try to hijack an aircraft with eight .22 LR cartridges and no gun? Or that this guy would try to smuggle eight .22 LR cartridges out of Bhubaneshwar? Really? ....and then we talk about needless rhetoric?
Is this whole incident stupid and messy? Yes, on both sides. Was there criminal intent on this guys part? That seems highly unlikely.
As far as my ego goes, you have nothing to apologize for. Your disagreeing with me doesn't affect my ego in any way.
“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never – in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense” — Winston Churchill, Oct 29, 1941
Xl_target is right. A few .22 cartridges is no big deal.
When I was young, we had a baker's dozen of weapons, including a couple of .22s, a Mauser and a Winchester, leaning against the walls between cupboards. Cartridges used to turn up in the unlikeliest of places, including the drawers of the dressing table and my father's writing table.
We were none the worse for it though a twelve bore got stolen while we were all having dinner. A dinner bell used to be rung which tipped off the thief about when to strike. The weapon was recovered soon after from where the thief had buried it.
It is quite possible and very likely that the eight .22 cartridges lay buried in the luggage all the time and escaped notice at the earlier baggage checks.
Regards.
"To the man who loves art for its own sake, it is frequently in its least important and lowliest manifestations that the keenest pleasure is to be derived." Sherlock Holmes in "The Adventure Of The Copper Beeches" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
bennedose wrote:LOL Every airline on earth has a warning against carrying any form of explosive. "I forgot to empty my bag" is as lame and excuse as a Heroin smuggler saying "Someone else has inserted this stuff in my bag when I was not looking".
If this guy has passed security at two airports it means that the bullets have appeared in the bag just before he went for the third check.
I beg to differ. A .22 Rf cartridge is not an explosive, and ammunition can be carried in checked baggage on an airplane. And why would anybody buy eight rounds of .22RF in India of all places ?, when he can buy all he wants at home at much lower price. If he makes it to the store early enough. (These days.) And why have some bullets in your bag and no gun? He must have heard that Indian .22s were of poor quality and expensive, and wanted to make some quick money.
. The journalist seems to know a lot about arms and ammunition.
