Ahem -mundaire wrote:Typed out a long response... deleted it, as it wouldn't have been appreciated by those in uniform OR by those in civvies...
Suffice to paraphrase Joseph de Maistre - we all get the leaders/ government we deserve!
Cheers!
Abhijeet
Lack of lateral thinking or thinking out of the box is often a problem with those who have worked long in environs of civilian govt. establishments.hamiclar01 wrote:[SNIP]
This thread was anyway a rant fest, and has now diversified to include science fiction (chloroform bombs). I'm staying away.
Exactly you got it, not indenting to be harsh at all. Surely the act of sleeping while on patrol duty cost them with their lives. Is sleeping officially allowed while on patrol duty? If yes then are five out of six allowed to sleep? Surely this act is a morale booster on other side of LOC.Surely, Your words appear harsher than what you mean.
Why? Because there also exists an ugly side? Are the following not true?Don't believe what the media tells you.
Source http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/l ... 412907.eceMen of the 226 Field Infantry marched through the town of Nyoma late on Thursday night, armed with rods and knives, seeking to hunt down five Major-rank officers they said were responsible for the brutal beating of Suman Ghosh — an enlisted man assigned as a personal valet.
Source http://in.news.yahoo.com/armyman-held-r ... 54124.htmlWhile the girl was returning home after collecting firewood, four army personnel forcefully took her into a forest. When she started shouting, people from the area intervened and caught one of the jawans. They beat him up and handed him over to the police
Source http://www.cs.uccs.edu/~jkalita/assam/h ... uly97.html25th July '97: A group of Army soldiers raided Village Komarchuburi in search of an ULFA activist and forced every villager who could not hide or was not bed-ridden to gather in the center of the village. When this was going on, two Armymen forcefully detained Miss Mamoni and her mother in their house. First, both Army jawans tried to molest Miss Mamoni's mother, but she managed to escape. Then one of the Army jawans picked up Miss Mamoni, took her to the kitchen and raped her. When her sick grandmother tried to protect Mamoni, one of the Army men kicked her with his boot. After the incident the Army jawans gave a ten rupee note to Miss Mamoni.
goodboy_mentor wrote:Exactly you got it, not indenting to be harsh at all. Surely the act of sleeping while on patrol duty cost them with their lives. Is sleeping officially allowed while on patrol duty? If yes then are five out of six allowed to sleep? Surely this act is a morale booster on other side of LOC.Surely, Your words appear harsher than what you mean.
It needs to be found why the sixth soldier did not fire? Was he hiding himself just to ensure that attackers go away leaving him alive? Hiding and not firing as a matter of tactics is one thing. But not firing to ensure that attackers go away is totally different thing.
Since the other side is following the Fabian strategy, it can be reasonably suspected the soldiers are under some kind of extreme stress. If one reads the incidents of soldiers shooting their officers, of revolt by soldiers in Ladakh the matter becomes more clear.Why? Because there also exists an ugly side? Are the following not true?Don't believe what the media tells you.Source http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/l ... 412907.eceMen of the 226 Field Infantry marched through the town of Nyoma late on Thursday night, armed with rods and knives, seeking to hunt down five Major-rank officers they said were responsible for the brutal beating of Suman Ghosh — an enlisted man assigned as a personal valet.Source http://in.news.yahoo.com/armyman-held-r ... 54124.htmlWhile the girl was returning home after collecting firewood, four army personnel forcefully took her into a forest. When she started shouting, people from the area intervened and caught one of the jawans. They beat him up and handed him over to the policeSource http://www.cs.uccs.edu/~jkalita/assam/h ... uly97.html25th July '97: A group of Army soldiers raided Village Komarchuburi in search of an ULFA activist and forced every villager who could not hide or was not bed-ridden to gather in the center of the village. When this was going on, two Armymen forcefully detained Miss Mamoni and her mother in their house. First, both Army jawans tried to molest Miss Mamoni's mother, but she managed to escape. Then one of the Army jawans picked up Miss Mamoni, took her to the kitchen and raped her. When her sick grandmother tried to protect Mamoni, one of the Army men kicked her with his boot. After the incident the Army jawans gave a ten rupee note to Miss Mamoni.
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mundaire wrote:Typed out a long response... deleted it, as it wouldn't have been appreciated by those in uniform OR by those in civvies...
Suffice to paraphrase Joseph de Maistre - we all get the leaders/ government we deserve!
Cheers!
Abhijeet
airgun_novice wrote:Given a *fair* chance to speak, I choose *not* to stay away when those on whose account I sleep peacefully, get slandered to camouflage the ineptness of the powers that be.
Now torture, rape, molestation, murder etc. seems not only happening in North East of the country, the disease seems to have spread almost everywhere in the country.this is what i was told by a very senior para military legal officer. your boys do rape as in the case of boys in the NE so and so case is well recorded but under certain black laws they are not dealt with. HE said, they commit rape because they are far from home. that is coming from one very senior officer. please note he never said they were wrong and if found guilty must be punished to the full.
Source http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... arh-police"One of them grabbed me around the chest and said, 'you are a Naxal, haven't you been touched by a man before'," says the 16-year-old girl who lives and studies in a government residential school and had come home to recuperate from illness.
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Narsingh Kumar, one of the five men who was brought to the district hospital at Kanker, shows his bruised back and swollen feet. "They thrust a stick inside my anus," he said.
Source http://www.indianexpress.com/news/konan ... /1144455/0It's been 22 years since the Konan Poshpora mass rape. With yet another round of investigations set to begin, women in two villages of Kupwara, now joined forever, ask when will the questions end and the answers begin
On a February night in 1991, during a cordon-and-search operation, soldiers of 4 Rajputana Rifles of the Army's 68 Brigade swooped down on Kunan and Poshpora, twin villages 7 km from Kupwara, forced the men out of their homes and confined them to two houses in Kunan. Then, they barged into the other houses and allegedly gangraped women and children—from a 14-year-old physically challenged girl to a 70-year-old grandmother.
A shocking crime was committed on the unscrupulous initiative of few individuals, with the blessing of more, and amid the passive acquiescence of all. - Tacticus, 1 B.C.do you know that IAF bombed Indian citizen in the 50s. perhaps you may not be aware of such facts.
It is noble profession but surely oldest profession is something elsedear gbm & naga soldering is not only a noble profession but the oldest profession of human history im just a lil part of it only 12yrs...in my career i av never seen any misdeed going unpunished...& i kn vouch for it since in my younger dyz i was more warm blooded than what im now...i myself got a censure because of my highhandedness with an ogw...but im once bitten n nw more wiser...in an asymmetric warfare u kn nt follow rules of engagements....yet back to the topic the death of those 5 men is real unfortunate & every1 concerned has pulled up their socks...incl our pol ldrship finallyy..
Otherwise yes sir broadly agree with your opinion, no doubt the death of five men is unfortunate. It is all due to the wrong policies of politicians at the helm of affairs. The Kashmir dispute seems to be complicated beyond repair in the present political framework. Hope some politically practical and peaceful solution is found.There is a difference between reasonable criticism and unreasonable criticism. Reasonable criticism is a part and parcel of a healthy discussion and be taken in a positive spirit. If men in uniform are doing something wrong, a healthy society has the courage to say it is wrong.An emotional outburst is definitely called for when the men in uniform are criticised.
Again it is needless to read meanings when they do not exist. Please take time to read the following-But it is an alien concept to individuals who put soldiers and harlots in the same sentence and make a mockery of the uniformed....
Who is comparing what with what? And if someone corrected with a sense of humor, what has gone wrong?gladiatorgarg wrote:dear gbm & naga soldering is not only a noble profession but the oldest profession of human history
