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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:01 pm

amarinder wrote:to senior members and shooters,

While shooting, If I lock my knees then I get better stability but knees start to hurt after sometime. And if I don't lock my knees, then my body is not stable. WHAT TO DO?


Hi amarinder,

> Here's some food for thought ... Hope it's of some help :D

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/joyner.htm

Some Thoughts on Pistol Shooting
All elements of pistol shooting such as position, grip, sight alignment, breath control, trigger control, physical condition, and psychology of shooting, when perfected simply enable, the shooter to score well consistently.

BODY POSITION OR STANCE
We are all constructed differently and have different natural positions. To find your natural position, face away from the target 45 degrees. Look at the target by turning your head and eyes only and raise the pistol to the eye, target & line. Close your eyes & raise your pistol and arm several feet and allow it to fall relaxed, and naturally to the horizontal. If it falls right down the center of the target, you have your natural position. If it falls to one side, shuffle on your feet, keeping the body axis from the feet to the shoulder the same, until the pistol is aligned on the target again. Several tries such as this one will readily show you how far to face away from the target. This test need only be made during one shooting session. At all following sessions start out with the position that you have decided is natural for you and stay with it. The feet should be spread apart about the width of your shoulders or a little more. However, if you spread your feet unnaturally at first, you will have to exert undue muscular effort to maintain balance.

The objective is to be well balanced and comfortable. The legs should be straight, but not stiff. Allow the knee joints to fall into a locked position, but still be relaxed. The thigh muscles should be relaxed. If you are tense anywhere, it is a sign of strain and will show up in your trigger control.

The hips should be level and in an easy, natural position & the abdomen relaxed. Allow the shoulders to hang naturally and relaxed. Your head and neck should be in an easy natural position & must look at the target by turning your head and eyes slightly without moving from the neck down. The simplest way to do this is to face your entire body away from the target at the angle you have selected and then turn your head and eyes only to the target before raising your pistol to the firing position. While looking at the target from this natural position, raise your pistol until you can align the sights on the target.

The important thing is to make your pistol arm fit the body position instead of ruining a good body position by craning the neck and shoulders trying to get behind the pistol. The body position must be selected first, then use the pistol arm only to bring the sights in line with the eye and target.

The pistol arm should be extended directly toward the target. The wrist is locked without strain, (this requires practice) the elbow is locked also but with no sense of strain or tenseness. You should feel that the pistol is hanging from above, and not that you are pushing it up from below.

BREATH-CONTROL
The object of breath control is to enable the shooter to hold his breath with a comfortable feeling long enough to fire. It is recommended to take several deep relaxing breaths immediately prior to extending the pistol, and as you extend it, take another breath and exhale until your lungs feel normal. Hold until you fire the shot.
If you have too much air in the lungs, you will feel the pressure and it will interfere with your ability to hold. If you completely empty the lungs your arm will begin to shake in about 5 seconds. You are likely to have more trouble in the timed fire stage than the others. In order to be comfortable for 20 seconds, you must time your breathing just right and prepare for the string beforehand by taking several deep breaths.

PHYSICAL CONDITIONING
Many shooters discount the element of proper physical conditioning. They think that so little effort is required to extend a two pound pistol and fire it that they need no exercise. The real payoff for good condition lies in the score. It is good to undergo a mild weight-training program and some road work to put you in a good general condition, then some special exercises for the shooting arm. These special exercises consist of dry firing with a weight weighing several times more than the pistol. A bottle full of water or a six pound dumb-bell can be used for practicing. Extend the weight just as you would a pistol and line it up on an object and try to hold it steady until your arm starts throbbing. Rest for a few minutes and repeat the exercise. 10 minutes of this each day that you do not shoot on the range will enable you to hold steadier and longer than before.

TRIGGER CONTROL
The word "squeeze" in connection with trigger control is definitely not proper trigger control. The pressure put on the trigger must come from the trigger finger only. The gripping fingers and base of thumb do not move. Get a proper grip on your pistol and keep the pressure constant, align the sights on the target properly, then with the trigger finger only, exert a steady, constantly increasing pressure, straight to the rear, until the shot happens.
There is a slightly different method of trigger control that master shooters employ that too with extreme caution. The difference is that while the sight picture is not perfect, the trigger pressure is maintained, but not increased. When the picture becomes good again, the pressure is continued. This method when used correctly ensures that all shots go off with a perfect sight picture. The danger in this method is the tendency to flinch.

FLINCHING
Flinching is the convulsive movement made, that causes shots to miss the target, or strike anywhere from the 5 ring to the 8 ring. Many shooters suffer from this malady at one time or another. Your progress in the competitive field of target shooting depends largely on your ability to overcome flinching.

Here is exactly what happens: If you know the exact moment your pistol is going to fire, your subconscious mind orders you to brace your body against the recoil, and you do so, resulting in a flinch. The remedy is to never know the exact instant when the shot happening.

PSYCHOLOGY OF SHOOTING
This is a serious problem to many shooters and to some degree a problem with all shooters. It’s the building up of pressure inside the shooter that makes him shoot like a novice when he is capable of shooting match winning scores. It prevents the shooter from shooting in matches, the scores that he shoots in practice. The best cure for this feeling is self confidence.
The match shooter has a complicated problem. He wants to win and when he sees a chance to win because of some good strings, his breath quickens, and his heart beats so fast that he can feel it in his trigger finger.

As a result he usually blows a five shot string. If we could just go to a match and be satisfied with our practice score; refrain from counting up our aggregates as we go; refuse to speculate on how much it will take to win; refrain from comparing competitor's scores, we would probably shoot much better. Here again experience strengthens our ability. The match shooter who has been to match after match and been disappointed time after time soon finds that it just doesn't seem so important to win. Then he begins to shoot his best scores in matches.

Well these are some random thoughts that occurred to me after listening to what my AP shooting friends keep experiencing & expressing about failing to get match winning scores. On a philosophical note “It’s better to enjoy the journey & let the destination turn out to a pleasant discovery”.
HAPPY SHOOTING!
Briha

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:35 am

To Hvj1 and experienced shooters,

what training schedule is followed by international shooters who can devote their entire day to shooting? though it may vary but still would be glad if you answer my curiosity..

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:25 pm

Amarinder,
The trg. schedule depends on age and level of shooting.
Obviously a Junior shooter will train less intensively and extensively than a senior shooter. However, since you are 23 and probably starting of recently, there is something called as the 'trg. age' as well. This has more to do with the shooter's experience. A novice or beginner who tries to follow an internationally accomplished shooter's level of training will surely end up with lot of injuries. just as a child takes time to grow physically and mentally, a novice shooter also requires time to evolve physcially and mentally.

The other aspect that you should be aware off, is that a accomplished international shooter does more qualitative training than quantitative training. in other words, he/she spends more time in sharpening and honing his advanced skills. These advanced skills come after years of dedicated training.

Nevertheless to answer your question, generally an international shooter trains roughly with the pistol for at least three to five hours a day. His physical trg. ranges between 2-3 hours and his mental training may vary from a half hour to a couple of hours. But to understand all this you need to read firstly all the lesson provided here in detail. Mastering each step is more important for you at your level.

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You are warned not to jump into trg. for more than a couple of hours initially, till you understand all the aspects of the shooting technique and the physical conditioning that goes along with it side by side.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:11 am

HVJ1,

How does one raise from the 45* ready position, aim and squeeze the trigger on target withing 3 seconds. Not to point towards rule book again ples :lol: .
For all ye who wonder, I am talking center-fire pistol.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:44 am

Alright Dev Saar,
Saar, you must practice a lot, till you do it in your sleep, till your wife throws you out of the room for waking her up with your new found fetish for suddenly raising your arm at 45 deg in the middle of the night.
Dry practice Saar, plently of dry practice, till the shot breaks in time.
Happy Dry Practice Saar :D

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:22 am

Dear Sir, Dear friends,

My FP season ended in France for this year with a 512/600; 83, 85, 88, 87, 84 & 85. In the 5th series, after having shot 1 eight, 3 tens & 2 nines, I shot an accidental shot which came out to be a '4'. It took the moral out of me (I wanted to cry, I wanted to shout...). I could not get back the rhythm/feeling/grit anymore :cry: .
The positive thing I retain is the word of 'Bravo' to all the shooters of that particular detail from the Match Referee at the end of the match for having shot under very difficult weather conditions (from cloudy sky and the Sun peeking through to rain and thunder in 1h30m time span). Well, I have not qualified for the Nationals.
The ML season and the FP season overlapping each other, I have not perhaps given sufficient time to FP... Good, that way, I will prepare early for the next season :) .

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:34 pm

hvj1 wrote:Alright Dev Saar,
Saar, you must practice a lot, till you do it in your sleep, till your wife throws you out of the room for waking her up with your new found fetish for suddenly raising your arm at 45 deg in the middle of the night.
Dry practice Saar, plently of dry practice, till the shot breaks in time.
Happy Dry Practice Saar :D
C'mon Miyagi San this will not do. You mean there is no wax on wax off, secret tantra...way. I am incredibly allergic to hard work on hobbies. ROTFL
Thank you saar, have imbibed what you have said had just had to moan about it.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:31 pm

TO HVJ1,
Q-1 In the initial pages of this thread, you have mentioned about BOX DRILLS for novice shooters like me. I bought a math notebook and did as you said. But aiming at small box from 10 m seems like aiming at white page with no reference point since no lines separating the box are visible. What to do? Why not try to maintain SA in the aiming area of air pistol target instead of math boxes which I cant see from 10 meters? :shock:

Q-2 You also said the one need to focus only on maintaining the Sight alignment while shooting at target and let the aiming area, trigger to be controlled sub-consciously. I tried to do that by trying to align the top edge of fore-sight with the side edges of rear sight, paying all attention to this. But this leads to a blurred vision of target. Am I doing it right??
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:57 am

Hello amarinder,

I am daring to reply to your questions although they are addressed to Guruji :) .

Q1: The Math copy is to note the Box Drill. The hold has to be done on the blank target at 10m. Let me explain.
- Put a blank target at 10m (the reverse side of a comp target)
- Do your SOA and hold the weapon against the blank target with the sights aligned. You must perceive perfect, sharp Sight Alignment image for 10 seconds. If you do so put a tick on the math notebook in one box. If not, put a cross.
- You should do 60 holds and at the end calculate the % of TICKS. For example; 48 ticks out of 60 holds will yield 80%. Your aim is to achieve 100%.
- Please note that any blurry image or distorted image of the SA image during this 10 sec hold will deserve a cross.

Q2: You are absolutely right and are in the right path. If you perceive the perfect SA image the target will obviously be blurred. This means that you are well focused on the SA. Good job!!!

I hope Guruji will add on for all of us.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:23 am

amarinder wrote:TO HVJ1,

Q-2 You also said the one need to focus only on maintaining the Sight alignment while shooting at target and let the aiming area, trigger to be controlled sub-consciously. I tried to do that by trying to align the top edge of fore-sight with the side edges of rear sight, paying all attention to this. But this leads to a blurred vision of target. Am I doing it right??
Dear Amarinder,

Good to see you approaching yuour lessons systematically. Go, slow and steady, concentrate on strenghteing the roots, the tree will eventually become tall and strong.
Now, your first question has been adequately addressed by Tirpassion. by the way, Tirpassion and Dev are also here to help you out on technical matters. For physical fitness, diet and yoga, Brihaji is there to guide you.

Now we come to your second question;

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, focus on the TOP edges of the fore and rear sights. Please download the sight alignment cutout in SA lesson. You must train yourself to look and focus on the entire sight picture.

Finally, please feel free to ask any question, do not hesitate to ask questions which may appear 'silly' to you. To us they are certainly NOT. by providing you the correct answers to your questions, we will help you in eliminating 'silly' errors and mistakes.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:21 pm

hvj1 wrote:[SNIP]
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, focus on the TOP edges of the fore and rear sights. Please download the sight alignment cutout in SA lesson. You must train yourself to look and focus on the entire sight picture.[SNIP]
Silly me - stupid me - Thank you guruji. This tip probably will reduce North or South landing of the shots in #8 ring.

tirpassion -> 4th session of my "Experimenting Without Glasses" today. The last three have been somewhat consistent in results though live firing is a week apart from the other. Will email you a consolidated file once done, so can be discussed and acted upon. Will also consciously incorporate the tip above in 4th and 5th sessions as I suspect my roving eye strays inadvertently to the top.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:48 pm

Dear all,
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, focus on the TOP edges of the fore and rear sights. Please download the sight alignment cutout in SA lesson. You must train yourself to look and focus on the entire sight picture.
I do not know if my approach will help others. I use two self commands mentally while descending in my aiming area; 'Perfect Picture/Ensemble' (to remind myself to perceive the sharp SA image) and 'Base Line' (to continue to perceive the sharp image from the base line as a whole). This helps me a lot to rest in focus and have a steady hold.
Well, these are examples of self commands which I have developed according to my personal needs. What you need to do is also develop 'self commands' and the habit of 'self talking' according to your specific and particular needs. These are parts of the 'Mental Training' programme.

Guruji, your comments please!

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:04 pm

hello Tir
'Base commands' as you call them is straight from neurolinguistic programming. Neurolinguistics refers to the association of words as signals to the subconscious. Ha! You can read it in my next book- The Looking Glass Book, which i am writing.
Very good tir, as long as you keep it simple and very very short, it will definitely work, PROVIDED, you ALWAYS use it in your SOA.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by amarinder » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

I have been practicing box drills and have achieved quite good percentage ( 90+ % ) . I just tried firing live shots but reality in live firing seems different. Since, as you said I must focus all my attention towards SA and aligning gun with target area must done sub-consciously . But the bulls eye seems blurred as all my attention is for SA and I can't aim at the right aiming area. Focus on aiming area disturbs the SA. what to do??
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by tirpassion » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:14 am

Very good tir, as long as you keep it simple and very very short, it will definitely work, PROVIDED, you ALWAYS use it in your SOA.
Yes Sir, they are very very short (limited to one or two words max) and they have been ingrained in the SOA as a Mantra. I am happy to know that my approach is in the right direction.
We are all eagerly waiting for your book to release. Please let us know when.
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I will open an account soon.

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