Tips on Pistol Shooting

[airgun_novice]

Dear upacharyaji,

Like I said thanks for the torch. In fact I recently purchased Shri. Bhishmaraj Bam's Winning Habits and was reading through it when I came across your very words. Not only that Shri. Bam cites an example which jumped out and stood bang opposite me as moi-meme. This dude was noting down his errors and Shri. Bam brought to his notice that he was actually collecting his errors in attempt to analyze ! So then I suddenly saw the light in your golden advice and your suggestion of 8 * 7 and not noting even the #9 and #10. Hence shall purge all my previous mails of wrong thought process lest they mislead others walking down this TOPS path. That's the wonderful thing about this sport - it teaches you something new just when you think you know it all.

regs
A.

[tirpassion]

Dear agn bhai,

That was good work to begin with

A famous dialogue of Eli Wallach in the movie 'The good, the bad and the ugly' flashed in my mind suddenly.
If you want to shoot, shoot, don't talk!

best regards
tirpassion

[brihacharan]

[quote="tirpassion"]Dear agn bhai,
That was good work to begin with
A famous dialogue of Eli Wallach in the movie 'The good, the bad and the ugly' flashed in my mind suddenly.
If you want to shoot, shoot, don't talk!

> Well said Tir
> I remember the scene - wow what a film that was
> Applies to AGN - Lock - Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels
Briha

[hvj1]

Hello AGN

'What is a surprise shot?"

My friend there is school of thought which propogates the above theory. The essence of which is as follows;

When your mind is focussed so completely in the process of mantaining SA while maintaining all the other elements of 'follow through' the shot breaks without your realising it which comes as a surprise!

This theory has been regurgitated by millions others MINDLESSLY without really going very deep which is typical of people. We rather accept the written word and the word coming from the mouth of a Guru as the Gospel truth rather than investigating the veracity of the statement. Never mind if the Guru is Donkey, the student is also no less if he cannot recognise braying!

Why do we do that? Simply becuase we are too lazy to think the damn thing through, it takes a helluva lot of mental effort to break down a statement, like dismantling an engine to figure out the place of each component in the ngine and precisely how they combine to make the damn thing work!

I can assure you that the concept of the surprise shot is BULLSHIT! And I can prove it

AGN I have particularly high regard for your intellectual ability, put your thinking cap on and try to figure out why I have made the above statement. Really looking forward to it.

Regards

[hvj1]

Gentleman there has been silence from my end regarding my diary for some time now. Some may infer that I am slacking. On the contrary the case is far from it.

Today I am happy to annonce that my exercises have cured 90% of my chronic pain! I have increased my pushups and pullups. Though i do only 20 degree pullups and pushups on the single and double bar.

The other thing that i have learnt is that my body requires more time for 'recovery'. I hope sombeody out there is alert enough to pick up on the nuances of this statement.

Just an interesting aside, Rambo had the bad habit of leaping up to plant an affectionate kiss on my face. I am pleased to tell you that yesterday when he attempted to do the same 'id mubarak' embrace, I picked him up by his armpits and threw him aside. The poor fellow was so shocked that he seems to have given up this dangerous form of showing affection. Rambo as you know weighs a mean 80 kgs. Believe it or not! Ripley.

[brihacharan]

Hello AGN

What is a 'Surprise Shot'?
This theory has been regurgitated by millions others MINDLESSLY without really going very deep which is typical of people. We rather accept the written word and the word coming from the mouth of a Guru as the Gospel truth rather than investigating the veracity of the statement.
Never mind if the Guru is Donkey, the student is also no less if he cannot recognize braying!

> BTW: There's an old saying that "If you put a Donkey on a bench - He'll bray judiciously"
Briha

[brihacharan]

[quote="hvj1"]
Today I am happy to announce that my exercises have cured 90% of my chronic pain! I have increased my pushups and pullups. Though i do only 20 degree pullups and pushups on the single and double bar.

The other thing that i have learned is that my body requires more time for 'recovery'. I hope somebody out there is alert enough to pick up on the nuances of this statement.

Hi hvj1,
> I'm happy to note that the exercises have benefited you immensely
> So very profound! One would do well if only one listens to one's body - It's a symbiosis ordained by nature - Better to obey it
> BTW - Picking up the 80kg Rambo - What can I say... Reminded me of the Greek lad "Milo"
Cheers
Briha

[airgun_novice]

Dear Guruji,

My take on surprise shot as of when I set on the journey of "discovery" of surprise was ... well, surprise. When I focused on the shot, I was aware of all the elements involved from stance and balance through follow-through. It was as if I was running a mental check-list of various stages. So while setting down in Aim Zone and having started the first pull, facing the obstruction as it completed, became aware of "here it comes", followed by sear release and eventually continuing "Am I holding SA correctly for follow through"...

In this entire process there was a conscious effort put at every stage, orchestrated if you will. The only element of surprise, if at all, I ever faced was on these:

1. As the trigger was about to be released, I was momentarily distracted either to due the target light going ON/ OFF in adjoining lanes (but visible in my peripheral vision) or suddenly there was a differential *frequency-amplitude* variation in "chit-chat" in next lane. The later was mostly observed when it happened in the lane right of mine i.e. "behind" me, being a RHS.

2. The other time was when I had "lost" the first pull due to playing around with those 4 screws and did not know just how much pressure to apply for the release and just when it would go off. In short, anticipation of just about everything was heavy and the only surprise was when the shot went off. (This was during last GFG/ GVM - subsequently, got somewhat of the first pull back with the Doc's help before MSCC)

In both the cases in point #1, the surprise shot resulted in disaster. But on a few registrations during the phase of point #2, the shots were surprisingly good. In short, (surprise shot - anticipation) = bad shot while (surprise shot + (heavy) anticipation) = good shot. But this experience is in juxtaposition to what is so openly stated; hence I was confused as to whether I was doing the thing right or the right thing.

The other place I find myself at odds, is when it's stated that man can only think of *one* thought at a time. I (think) find myself with 2-3 simultaneously. Either that or my brain multiplexes too fast. Thanks to tirpassion, I used this "drawback" as a plus now to inculcate the follow-through discipline within, instructing myself on doing the FT even when I am consciously pulling and "anticipating".

Please correct my understanding and instruct further.

regs
A.

PS: Good to see your health recover. Howz the search for FP shaping ?

[dev]

Gentleman there has been silence from my end regarding my diary for some time now. Some may infer that I am slacking. On the contrary the case is far from it.

Today I am happy to annonce that my exercises have cured 90% of my chronic pain! I have increased my pushups and pullups. Though i do only 20 degree pullups and pushups on the single and double bar.

The other thing that i have learnt is that my body requires more time for 'recovery'. I hope sombeody out there is alert enough to pick up on the nuances of this statement.

Just an interesting aside, Rambo had the bad habit of leaping up to plant an affectionate kiss on my face. I am pleased to tell you that yesterday when he attempted to do the same 'id mubarak' embrace, I picked him up by his armpits and threw him aside. The poor fellow was so shocked that he seems to have given up this dangerous form of showing affection. Rambo as you know weighs a mean 80 kgs. Believe it or not! Ripley.

Now you are Rambo ka baap.
Well done saar, I am also inspired to join the push up challenge posted on the fitness routine thread.

[hvj1]

Err.. Gentlemen, if you think I picked up Rambo, twirled him with my hands above my head then threw him, then the mistake is mine! I must hasten to amplify, Rambo when he rears up on his hind legs , (forefeet on my chest) his head comes face to face with mine. In Judo one has heard of the 'hip throw', that is what i did.


AGN
Heavy anticipation good shot mere anticipation bad shot. Very good observation, yes you have hit the nail on its head. I will amplify this too a bit later. Wonder what others have to say.
Regards

[amarinder]

to HVJ1
while standing at 45 Degree with the aiming arm, does one need to shift the upper body a little bit to compensate the change in position of Center of mass, if any?

[tirpassion]

Thanks Guruji for your bold and frank declaration about the surprise effect. I have always doubted it before ignoring it totally in silence because I was rarely surprised during my 7 years of shooting. Your words just gave me the courage to go openly against it.

Surprise; A Myth created and nurtured by so many... It took me about 5 years to get rid of the surprise, to understand that shooting is as simple as squeezing the trigger within the aiming area while perceiving the sharp & perfect sight picture, before, during and after the shot break. Five years to understand this simple principle... Now, I am working to put the theory into practice .

An example to counter the surprise theory is the time frame of shot break 'between 3 to 5 secs' in AP shooting. A shooter has programmed everything in such a way that he/she knows for sure that the shot will break within 3-5 secs. If it does not there is a malfunction in the system and the shot is cancelled. So, if he/she works positively to let the shot break voluntarily in that time frame, where is the element of surprise??? Here I would also point out that 'let the shot break' is anything but 'provoke a shot'.
I have never thought about the anticipation. Literally, I would be scared of the word anticipation when put to shooting. I prefer to be confident and sure. My main objective is the sharp and perfect sight picture in the aiming zone. Once I know that I have full control over it, I prepare myself (with self talk and commands) to let the shot break in time. I know it will go off so I do not anticipate the shot break. Anticipation (be it positive or negative) is just one step before the actual shot break. Why think of another step in between and engage the mind further? I prefer to ignore it.

This is just my thought.

best regards
tirpassion

[fantumfan2003]

Never believed it myself as I put surprise in the same basket as "one not being in control of shot release".
But since it was a statement made by the experten, never talked about it or discussed it anyone.
Thank you for bringing this out in the open and rubbishing it outright..........

M.

When your mind is focussed so completely in the process of mantaining SA while maintaining all the other elements of 'follow through' the shot breaks without your realising it which comes as a surprise!

[brihacharan]

hvj1 wrote:
When your mind is focused so completely in the process of maintaining SA while maintaining all the other elements of 'Follow Through' the shot breaks without your realizing it, which comes as a surprise!

> I dare admit I've experienced this on a few occasions - An inexplicable feeling of euphoria
> There are days when everything falls into place - a great similarity with the game of golf.... The stance, addressing the ball, the swing, the connect & the follow through
> In the final analysis, its the frame of mind, the relaxed approach, commitment to the task, focus...action!
Briha

[airgun_novice]

> I dare admit I've experienced this on a few occasions - An inexplicable feeling of euphoria
> There are days when everything falls into place - a great similarity with the game of golf.... The stance, addressing the ball, the swing, the connect & the follow through
> In the final analysis, its the frame of mind, the relaxed approach, commitment to the task, focus...action!
Briha

Dear Brihji,
You mean that your Big Step (Brih Charan) actually surprised the little "birdie" !
Boy !! Such a "big step" must really be one "handicap" !!!
regs
A.