The Precihole Pegasus - Musings

[u_vaste]

very disappointed to see the lack of fit and finish. More so as I hold Doc in very high regard both as a human being and engineer.[/b] There are also some design flaws which I can discuss with Doc should he be interested. I have already mentioned these to Shankar. Having said that, the rifle was not inaccurate and it definitely has potential.

That's it !
Thanks for putting an end to the suspense ( at least for me).

Sujay, don't write it off yet. They are supposed to have rectified the shortcomings in the latter rifles. I will post my opinion after my children get theirs. Also, there is nothing about the iffy air-rifles from the first batch that cannot be rectified if one knows what to do.

I think It would be proper if precihole acknowledges the issues, recalls product(defective lot), rectify and resend to customer or dealers. since these guns are tested by many experienced people before launch they must have observed these issues. they should display range of serial nos which might have issues for benefit of customers.

Uv

[SriramK]

I think It would be proper if precihole acknowledges the issues, recalls product(defective lot), rectify and resend to customer or dealers. since these guns are tested by many experienced people before launch they must have observed these issues. they should display range of serial nos which might have issues for benefit of customers.

Uv

In an ideal world this might be possible. But I doubt a product recall+replacement would be even remotely feasible. Soon every guy with a small problem, like a loose screw, will want a new one. However, this does seem to be very telling on the quality of the finish of these products.

The whole rifle might be a good product, but the finish of these rifles are by no way outstanding, and quite frankly - with things loosening up soon after a few pellets, and residue adhesive means it was rushed to the finish line. The adhesive, though a small issue, has brought one question to my mind- How much time do these people spend on one rifle? The adhesive seems to be slathered on and left to dry on the butt and stock of each rifle, doesn't seem like they took pride in making the best rifles.

The Pegasus in question here is the very first batch. The first batch of all products end up as collector's items years later Especially if the Pegasus with serial #1 was in the hands of one of the customers, they wouldn't want it replaced, they'd want it to just be perfect. Not even repaired later.

There may be great joy in owning a rifle that's infinitely repairable, but that doesn't excuse a rifle that needs to be repaired infinitely. I understand that some things can't be fixed until the user uses it for a while - for example some screws might need to be tightened after a few pellets have been fired that makes all the mechanisms in the rifle settle in place and get seasoned - like the first service for a car, or the second tuning of a guitar after replacing the strings and leaving it overnight.

Some things just need some time to fall into place. But I feel that things like leftover adhesive shows that the manufacturer doesn't take pride in his work - it's all that separates a masterpiece from mass manufactured replicas.

[lazybones]

Precihole Pegasus
Status 00 (Zero shot Break in)
Standing - Free Hand
GSmith High Impact (Domed)
10 shots
Distance 10 meters
POA - 6 o'clock
Open Sights

IMAG0409.jpg

Status 00 (No Break in)

[lazybones]

Precihole Pegasus
Status 50 (after 50 shot Break in)
Standing - Free Hand
GSmith High Impact (Domed)
12 shots
Distance 10 meters
POA - 6 o'clock
Open Sights

IMAG0411.jpg

[lazybones]

Precihole Pegasus
Status 60+ (after 60+ shot Break in)
Standing - Free Hand
GSmith Competition(Flat head)
10 shots
Distance 10 meters
POA - 6 o'clock
Open Sights

IMAG0412.jpg

Accuracy Conclusion : I need a tune job not the pipe

[SriramK]

Accuracy Conclusion : I need a tune job not the pipe

Haha! Maybe I might be up to a competition match with you

[pratik_mahale]

GSmith High Impact (Domed) is heavy & not fit properly in the Pegasus
Try Master Shot Flat Head yellow pellets

[evilshantanu]

Yet both of us agreed that the Pegasus was awesome and "different". My 11 year old daughter (who's tall & stout and built up like a 15-year old) did not notice any perceptible weight difference between the two, but I felt the PH is better balanced and hefted. Much to the chagrin of my 8 year old son who still has a problem holding up any of those ARs, daughter's announced that we should shoot every Fri-Sun nights at home. So he's agreed to be the in-house referee. More to come as more to shoot and more to experience...

Read the entire thread. Very good reviews. To cut the long story short, will ask you an easy question.
If you were to buy a Air Gun and had a choice between IHP and Precihole Pegasus which one would you pick?

I am looking for a good Air Gun for my wife, who wants to start Target shooting, if she likes it and continues it then she is thinking of graduating to Diana Magnum 350, but was confused between IHP and Precihole as a starting Indian brand.

[dev]

Good stuff to read Lazy bones. Actually even I was very excited by the precihole phenomenon and in my enthusiasm that a new ag was available, was blind to the flaws being pointed about. I had thought that most could be cured with a screw driver and an oily rag. Couldn't imagine that mounting a scope would be a pain...I had after all, glued a scope mount long, long ago in an IHP 35. The resulting accuracy made me drool but the bad trigger always got in the way. So now when I read that the trigger was a gem etc...I was almost in heaven. Almost went running to Garg Armoury to book one. But the owner advised caution and urged that we should wait and watch. I get this strange sense of deja vu...it had been almost like the Mahindra Thar experience, even though lakhs and thousands separate the two. But the experience feels like the same roller coaster ride. So for the time being I will stick to my ole qb 78, thank you.
Hopefully, Macky will post an incredibly sound review soon.

[brihacharan]

[quote="dev"]
> I had after all, glued a scope mount long, long ago in an IHP 35. The resulting accuracy made me drool but the bad trigger always got in the way. So now when I read that the trigger was a gem etc...I was almost in heaven.

Hi Dev,
> When you say that you had 'glued' a scope mount on to IHP35 - did you mean that no screws were used to anchor the scope to the IHP receiver?
> Am interested to know what glue - was it Araldite?
Briha

[mercury]

thanks for the pics lazybones.... i guess a "tune " could help.

and that sadens/ annoys & amuses me....will leave it at that !

anyways, do share the after tune results.

interesting , the poi of the heavier pellets to the poi of the lighter pellet....how is the shot cycle??

[dev]

> I had after all, glued a scope mount long, long ago in an IHP 35. The resulting accuracy made me drool but the bad trigger always got in the way. So now when I read that the trigger was a gem etc...I was almost in heaven.

Hi Dev,
> When you say that you had 'glued' a scope mount on to IHP35 - did you mean that no screws were used to anchor the scope to the IHP receiver?
> Am interested to know what glue - was it Araldite?
Briha

The mount was glued to the receiver with araldite. Now I recall that I later went and had it welded on. But the only glue that can actually do this would be JB Weld.

Regards,

Dev

[brihacharan]

> I had after all, glued a scope mount long, long ago in an IHP 35. The resulting accuracy made me drool but the bad trigger always got in the way. So now when I read that the trigger was a gem etc...I was almost in heaven.

Hi Dev,
> When you say that you had 'glued' a scope mount on to IHP35 - did you mean that no screws were used to anchor the scope to the IHP receiver?
> Am interested to know what glue - was it Araldite?
Briha

The mount was glued to the receiver with araldite. Now I recall that I later went and had it welded on. But the only glue that can actually do this would be JB Weld.

Regards,
Dev

> Thanks a Ton Dev
Briha
BTW - When U had the scope rail welded was your scope rail made of steel? As otherwise most scope rails are made of Aluminium (Aircraft Grade) in which case can the weld hold two different metals? Keen to know!
Briha

[essdee1972]

BTW - When U had the scope rail welded was your scope rail made of steel? As otherwise most scope rails are made of Aluminium (Aircraft Grade) in which case can the weld hold two different metals? Keen to know!

The temperatures of normal arc welding are meant to melt steel (~ 1500-1600 Celsius). Aluminium melts at ~ 660 or so (don't recall exactly the lessons of a lifetime back!!!). "Aircraft grade" is usually an alloy (Duralumin?), which would have an increased melting point, but still much lower than steel. At the normal welding temperatures, this would be literally melted off! (i.e. the heat would be enough to melt or severely deform the entire scope rail, and not the 0.5-1.0 mm we want for the metals to fuse.)

We can do Al-brazing for Al - this is similar to brazing using gas torch and brass rod, but uses Al rod. This would not fuse into steel, but would form an Araldite-like layer. Or we can simply braze the two together, with drastically bad results on the "looks" factor!

[dev]

BTW - When U had the scope rail welded was your scope rail made of steel? As otherwise most scope rails are made of Aluminium (Aircraft Grade) in which case can the weld hold two different metals? Keen to know!
Briha

Saar,

It was a simple steel patti, nothing that well thought out or designed. This was around 2002/2003 (b.c.) .


Regards,

Dev