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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:34 am

Dear AGN
Of course as usual a few landed in "Both Men's Land" (so they would go against me, as usual. Nothing went wrong for a change except the card holder.
Kindly examine the above comment very very deeply, therin lies one of the major reasons for your lack of progress.
The lane #12 holder's left loop was darn too loose in fact something like the U-clip that we all twist straight for time-pass. The right loop was darn too tight with the veritical tail nicely embedded inside the coil. A dude inserted a piece of paper and assured me that it would work - when I pointed that the left thinghy would simply slide out as there was nothing to hold it down - even the screw was a joke. So for 2 sighter cards and 40 record cards my liver was in my mouth both the ways when I prayed that the card would not pop out and fall down with the left loop. Good things now:
There you go again, why focus on only the things which are not good? On top of which you go and write it thereby affirming the negative :lol:

No strays this time.
Why you are hoping to get a few strays?, No, then dont write it.
2. Desired shots and SOA % all in tune with my current standings at the prax sessions at SVS (with the RWS).
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err, that elusive station where my train does not reach.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:44 am

Now back to the question I had asked- Do you know, how to shoot a '10'?

Thanks for all the valuable feedback. They echo my feelings of the past. :)

Why does this happen? :roll:

Fortunately the good news is that it happens with all of us. So dont feel that your case is solitary, take heart. :D

1. All of us, learn to master the basic elements of good shooting, that is , good gripping, sharp SA and good focus, smooth continous trigger squeezing, ideal trigger break, follow through. As novices, we are taught to practice and master each element , one by one. Hence the novice is not sure how to shoot a 10, BECAUSE He tends to master only one element at a time at the expense of the other elements.

For example: A novice takes part in a match, this is what happens ususally;

Practice session before the match:
Abki bar main 340/400 maroonga, B#########t

Bus sirf sight alignment pe dhyaan dunga, acchi sight alignment nahin to cancel. ek trigger pressure loonga, or bas B##########t '10' lagjayega

During the match:
30 minutes are over and our friend has managed to shoot only 12 record shots, because, he has cancelled 10 times,
Now he realizes that 28 shots are to go and he has only 45 minutes left.
Oh teri B##########t

At this point TIME PRESSURE kicks in real hard, the trigger starts hanging even more....
after five shots and equal number of cancellations, he realises that 23 shots to go in 25 minutes :shock:

Oh teri, match complete kar paunga ya nahin. B##########t, sight alignment gaya bahaad mein, abto trigger par zyada dhyaan deta hoon

When this happens the trigger hangs even more. five more shots gone, 18 to go in 15 minutes.

B##########t, abto aimining area may sight ayee to phod , tel lagane gaya SA or trigger, log haseinge mere par agar match complete nahin kiya to

Bang, bang bang bang, later LAST 10 MINUTES calls the range officer:shock:

BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG....finally match over.Novice barely completes the match, hands over his cards with limp hands and sinks into his chair.

Aufff B##########t


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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by airgun_novice » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:30 am

hvj1 wrote:Dear AGN
Of course as usual a few landed in "Both Men's Land" (so they would go against me, as usual. Nothing went wrong for a change except the card holder.
Kindly examine the above comment very very deeply, therin lies one of the major reasons for your lack of progress.
OK got it - in fact I am enforcing that the things should go wrong every time. Sorry - didn't mean to sound defeatist. But past experience is that I never had a point go in my favor for every Boundary Value Condition. Even at Savarkar's internal Lakshyavedh (I accidentally stumbled upon my cards there a few months down the time and missed no opportunity in totalling) not only was I totalled wrong but the "clear" BVAs also had gone against me. Net-net I would have put up another10-12 points - of course, nothing great about that new total too. Its would be still in 330s. But coming back to the point - When everthing went quite OK, I still went with expectation that something will go wrong - yet and hence the problematic holder presented itself. Something akin towhat you spoke of in "Why we face problems in life ?" Am I getting there ?
hvj1 wrote:
The lane #12 holder's left loop was darn too loose in fact something like the U-clip that we all twist straight for time-pass. The right loop was darn too tight with the veritical tail nicely embedded inside the coil. A dude inserted a piece of paper and assured me that it would work - when I pointed that the left thinghy would simply slide out as there was nothing to hold it down - even the screw was a joke. So for 2 sighter cards and 40 record cards my liver was in my mouth both the ways when I prayed that the card would not pop out and fall down with the left loop. Good things now:
There you go again, why focus on only the things which are not good? On top of which you go and write it thereby affirming the negative :lol:
YESSSS I get it ROTFL If I had stuck on with my mental state than observe in the physical state half-expecting the holder to fall off or pulley go flying, I would have continued with my unadulterated effort to unleash that perfect shot every time and result ? Higher satisfaction (stress-free) and followed by the bonus of few extra points along the way. If at all, it fell off, then I could have raised my hand and hell and then let them take care of the problem. Due to my own stupidty, err not understanding the heart of things, I took ownership of the problem rather than Self. Right ?
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No strays this time.
Why you are hoping to get a few strays?, No, then dont write it.
Not hoping - truthfully ? Expecting. I always get 2 into the whites - dunno why or how. But this time it was a pleasant surprise. Only 4 in #7 and that too in earlier part when the degripping-regripping was new and I had whole-heartedly accepted my "new" SOA.
hvj1 wrote:
2. Desired shots and SOA % all in tune with my current standings at the prax sessions at SVS (with the RWS).
:clap:
err, that elusive station where my train does not reach.
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No need for :banghead: anymore guruji - what if the train does not reach ? I shall lay new tracks and run it all the way. There was a slight translucent membrane across my eyes which you have pulled away - shredded the veil of 'andhak'. Shall show better results now on. Thanks for the eye-opener. :-)

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:41 am

I shall lay new tracks and run it all the way.
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Post by brihacharan » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:03 am

hvj1 wrote:
I shall lay new tracks and run it all the way.
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> Very well said hvj1
> Zen Master said - "Take the Path less Trodden - Create a new one for others to follow" :D
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:52 pm

we all understand hvj. we shall succeed and write new chapters in our journey to our goals.thx

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:03 pm

jitu sati wrote:we shall succeed and write new chapters in our journey to our goals.thx
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing you all becoming really good shooters.
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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:26 pm

hey hvj
we are all working towards giving you the pleasure only thing is that our pace some times falters and the commitment womtime is wavering . but be assured that we are at it. whatever we achieve would be due to the guidance provided by you and the uapacharyas. and we all will always be indebted to you for introducing us to this sport and shaping our steps towards higher goals

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by brihacharan » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:36 pm

Hi Guys,
> Here's something interesting I found - Hope it will be useful :D

Air Pistol Training is more about “Mental Discipline than Technique”
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Jukka Lahti
(Finnish Shooting Champion & Coach)


I was only 13 years old when I learned the most important lesson I've ever learned about air pistol shooting. If you truly want to improve your scores, you can't "just shoot". You have to practice.

You have to really concentrate on what you do on the range and at home. The fun part is competing as you can just relax and let everything you've learned in practice just happen.

Air pistol training is firstly learning the right techniques. Right doesn't necessarily mean something that other people tell you. More important than doing things like others do is to do them the way you feel comfortable. Of course there are guidelines and best practices that are universal. But there also is plenty of things you can adjust according to your own liking.

When you're practicing air pistol techniques, you should practice only one thing at a time. Stance, grip, aiming and pulling the trigger are the main elements but they can be divided into more detailed processes. For every practice session you choose an element you'll concentrate on.

There are two main reasons why you practice only one thing at a time.

1. Air pistol shooting is fairly complicated process as there are a lot of little things that are happening simultaneously. If you're not concentrating on one single thing, there's just no way you can perfect your process because your brain can't register all the things that happen during a shot.

2. To be able to shoot easily in a competition you have to have your shot process stored into your muscle memory. You know of course that muscles grow when you rest after a workout. The same thing applies to muscle memory. If you first practice one thing and the other on a same session, your muscles remember only the last thing you were practicing. Muscle memory won't develop for the first thing.

I started air pistol shooting when I was 12 years old and I soon made it to the Finnish national junior team. Then I stopped for many years but came back few years ago. In my first competition I shot only 543 and my old shooting buddies were asking if I had some problems with my weapon. Then I remembered the most important truth about air pistol training, designed a training schedule for myself and three months later I shot 575 and 577.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:19 pm

Friends,
In my last post I gave you an example of what happens to a novice, I know, I have gone through the same process.
So what do we do get out of this 'Chakravhyu'?

The steps are as follows;

1. Know how to shoot a ten.

2. You should be able to shoot a ten EASILY. yes contrary to what people around you say, it is easy, we make it difficult for ourselves, first in the mind and then in practice.

3. Your SOA for shooting a '10' should be easy enough for you to REPEAT the same again and again.

4. Therefore breakdown your SOA into SIMPLE, EASILY REPEATABLE STEPS.

Now when you go on the shooting range PRACTICE your SOA. Your objective before the session should, 'Today, I am going to practice shooting '10's . SO I will practice shooting ten '10's. It really does not matter how many shots you really take to shoot the ten '10's.

What happens is that your complete APPROACH to your shooting and practice session is tuned to hitting those '10's.
let us say, you took 26 shots to achieve your goal. Take a break, examine your SOA, VISUALISE it in you mind. PRACTICE DRY RUNS, several dry runs and then take the next goal of shooting the next ten '10's in 25 shots. GO EASY on yourself.

CAUTION.

1. Take your time to set your SOA for a 10.
2. Once set keep practising it for a few sessions.
3. Practise 3/4 drys SOAs before you shoot LIVE. Even during your live session, when you are trying to shoot 10s, if you feel that you are missing those 10,s then practice your SOA with dry firing.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by jitu sati » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:33 am

hey hvj
this is something i never thought. that one could create a SOA for hitting 10. i always had a feeling that one ends up hitting 10s when one is in the correct zone and the trigger release happens at a correct moment. it was more like a chance than a practice. now i will try this out in my practice too. hvj hats off to you you never fail to add on to our knowledge. that is why you are the guruji. jahanpana tussi great ho tofa.......................

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Post by dev » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:05 pm

Got some time to shoot live at home. Can I shoot tens? Hell! I can really ring them. :lol: And then grab a whole load of 9's and 8's and occasionally a 7. I had decided that I would shoot till I hit tens again. Seemingly, I am now clairvoyant and pick up Guruli's thoughts nowadays. ROTFL

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by dev » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:11 pm

Have had to change or actually go back to my old technique. Hold pistol and squeeze trigger as I lower, the technique of coming down, pause, shoot...doesn't work for me. I end up over-holding and then rushing the shot. My targets are of work in progress and in the next session I won't be dating the 8's and 7's. I will peak just on the GVM.

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:53 pm

So, How does one shoot a 10?

For starters, I may inform you that an Olympian shoots a 10 no different than a novice. Both use the same elements, the difference between the two is the methodology and the mental make up.

To shoot a 10, the basic universal elements are as follows;

1.Grip should be good
2.Sights perfectly aligned and in sharp focus
3.Trigger should be smooth and continuous, breaking within a few seconds of the sights settling in the AA.
4.Before during and after the shot, obviously the sights should be within the AA.
5.Follow through of the above ( including, balance, breath etc..)

The Olympian finds it easy to shoot a 10, (that is why he can shoot so many in a match), whereas the novice struggles to shoot a 10.

The Olympian makes it easily possible because he does the following;
1.Breaks down his SOA into simple repeatable steps.
2.Works hard on making each step perfect, by employing tremendous self control and discipline in making sure that he devotes 100 % concentration on each step of the SOA.
3.If any of his step in the SOA, does not feel correct, then he cancels, corrects himself, checks out in dry runs before switching to live. Thus maintaining ‘ZERO’ % tolerance towards errors.
4.Mentally convinces himself that his SOA is simple and that he can repeat it at will.
5.By repeating the above process again and again and again, he succeeds in drilling it into his subconscious mind.
Performance follows……

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Re: Tips on Pistol Shooting

Post by hvj1 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:58 pm

Dev,Get back to 'calling' your shots please. First and foremost, get that sight alignment and focus on your SA, RIGHT.Regards

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